Originally posted by Nephthys
Crushing Hex droids, shattering blast doors, kamehameha'ing and open palming lightsaber blades are all thing I'd put above Maul.
Maul has flattened armies, choked out Jedi Masters, pulled massive shuttles, and tanked FL with his body, not to mention surviving being bifurcated. These are all things I put on par with Satele's showings. Maul level isn't anything to sneeze at, especially bolstered with Kenobi's saber mastery.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Maul has flattened armies, choked out Jedi Masters, pulled massive shuttles, and tanked FL with his body, not to mention surviving being bifurcated. These are all things I put on par with Satele's showings. Maul level isn't anything to sneeze at, especially bolstered with Kenobi's saber mastery.
1. That was with Savages help, correct? Eh. Its ok, but I counted and there were at most about 40 guys in the air iirc. Its about consistent with his other feats.
2. When he choked Kenobi? Wasn't that on a nexus? I mean, its impressive, but Ventress has choked Kenobi. Dude really needs to work on his defenses, ironically.
3. Yes, impressive. But I still rate Satele's feats as higher. Crushing hex droids and shattering a blast door, both done casually, are Dooku level feats imo. And grabbing a lightsaber is a truly incredible feat.
4. Meeh, mediocre. It was a random Nightsister. Surviving bifurcation is cool, but only useful after a fight. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
1. That was with Savages help, correct? Eh. Its ok, but I counted and there were at most about 40 guys in the air iirc. Its about consistent with his other feats.
Eh still pretty impressive.
2. When he choked Kenobi? Wasn't that on a nexus? I mean, its impressive, but Ventress has choked Kenobi. Dude really needs to work on his defenses, ironically.
He's choked and ragdolled Kenobi three times. Kenobi's defences aren't that bad. He was able to deflect TK from Tyranus.
3. Yes, impressive. But I still rate Satele's feats as higher. Crushing hex droids and shattering a blast door, both done casually, are Dooku level feats imo. And grabbing a lightsaber is a truly incredible feat.
Not that great. Shaak Ti managed to deflect Grievous' lightsaber on Hypori.
Why are crushing hex droids and shattering blast doors so impressive? Especially when Mace Windu does such things casually as well (inb4 dismissal of Clone Wars feats). I don't think Maul wouldn't be able to do either of those things.
4. Meeh, mediocre. It was a random Nightsister. Surviving bifurcation is cool, but only useful after a fight. 😉
Not really mediocre when he tanks it with his body lol. And not really. He can likely duel way past the pain thresholds most others could; like mini-Sion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
IMO, Satele can make this a draw if not better. Much like Plagueis, she is prodigiously talented in the ways of the Force, a great duelist and can even block lightsaber with bare hands.
Satele is without doubt one of the greatest Jedi who ever lived, but she has no chance against Plagueis. I read somewhere that Darth Plagueis is above TPM Sidious and I don't think that TPM Sidious is much weaker than ROTS Sidious.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Plagueis has disintegrated 6 armored Maladians with a force wave, held Palpatine in a chokehold, and overpowered Tenebrous's telekinetic grip. This is better than shattering stone and crushing droids.Plagueis has turned bones to dust, and set an entire field ablaze with his lightning, which are greater feats of destructive power than anything Satele has accomplished.
Plagueis has punched through armored torsos, smashed skulls with his bare hands, moved at speeds akin to both blaster bolts and streaks of lightning. These are far greater feats of strength an speed than anything Satele has accomplished.
Not even mentioning his immense durability/endurance via his physiology and heart-stunning, midichlorian manipulation, and more-- he outclassed Satele in every fashion.
Analogy:
Exal Kressh (Emperor's apprentice) have feats of great destruction under her belt. She once destroyed a gigantic space station with her powers in an attempt to kill Thanaton (try to digest this). In comparison, we haven't seen Emperor go to this much length to destroy the opposition himself but he is more powerful than his apprentice (capable of outperform her feats if he has to but he haven't had a reason to act in this manner based on his lore).
So it is not 'always' wise to assume that X (Char) performed Y (Action) so X (Char) is automatically superior. This logic doesn't sits well with me at least.
Maybe Satele possesses the talent to "all but atomize" defenseless humans too but she isn't likely to perform this action since she is a Jedi. However, we have seen her disintegrating a portion of a large cliff which requires more raw power in comparison to "all but atomize" some defenseless humans (Rock is much harder substance then a biological body), correct me if I am wrong. You may argue that she sucked energy from a lightsaber beforehand and this may have empowered her for a while but why she had to gather power to perform this destructive action?
Speed factor:
Speed wise, Satele was also "unbelievably fast" to other Force-users (I am not joking). So I don't get it that how Plagueis is supposedly faster then her (this is just your assumption).
Strength factor:
Yes, Plagueis have biological edge over Satele since the latter is human. However, no need to underestimate Satele's strength either. At one point: Satele held Malgus at bay with one hand and used another hand to pull down a gigantic tree (Imagine the kind of power needed to pull off this kind of feat). Holding Malgus at bay is something that FEW (Force-users) can pull off strength wise.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh still pretty impressive.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He's choked and ragdolled Kenobi three times. Kenobi's defences aren't that bad. He was able to deflect TK from Tyranus.
With Anakin's help. 😬
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not that great. Shaak Ti managed to deflect Grievous' lightsaber on Hypori.Why are crushing hex droids and shattering blast doors so impressive? Especially when Mace Windu does such things casually as well (inb4 dismissal of Clone Wars feats). I don't think Maul wouldn't be able to do either of those things.
She got thrown off her feet into a wall as I recall. She just blocked it with a quick force shield. Satele caught the thing with her hands and was able to absorb it despite Malgus pushing down as hard as he could on it. The lightsaber was cracking.
Because Hex droids are Jedi-level and blast doors are doors that are built to be extremely strong and resistant. Mace Windu breaking some mass-produced super battle-droids doesn't compare. Although Mace is more or less on Dooku level so um, yeah?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not really mediocre when he tanks it with his body lol. And not really. He can likely duel way past the pain thresholds most others could; like mini-Sion.
He has good pain tolerance. He's a zabrak, give him a freaking medal. A Zabrak Jedi survived and was conscious after Malgus blew holes through his chest with lightning. As I said, mediocre.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not that great. Shaak Ti managed to deflect Grievous' lightsaber on Hypori.
Also, can you present evidence of Shaak Ti blocking a lightsaber with bare hands or is it just a misunderstanding of an event?
I recall that some people misunderstood an action of Galen or Shaak Ti with this kind of feat during their confrontation, both never blocked a lightsaber with bare hands during this confrontation.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Why are crushing hex droids and shattering blast doors so impressive? Especially when Mace Windu does such things casually as well (inb4 dismissal of Clone Wars feats). I don't think Maul wouldn't be able to do either of those things.
Mace disintegrating a droid with a punch isn't the samething as Satele blowing one apart with a gesture. These are two entirely different feats and quality of droid also matters.