Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thor already beat an amped WWH with a Mjolnir like apparatus.But yes, where Cyttorak would stop between THOR and HULK is the real discussion here
I'm sorry but when did this happen? Are you talking about him removing Nul Hulk from the battle? If so, was there any solid proof that Nul Hulk could amplify his strength the way Banner was able to? The reason that I ask, is because all of the characters possessed were bound up in the background (basically they weren't in the drivers seat).
Also the question of if Nul were to have jumped back to where Thor was, how would it have played out? Nul was fine when he landed, Thor wasn't. This isn't me picking sides, but what happened in the comic. This is if you were speaking of Nul Hulk of course.
Originally posted by leonidas
really? where have you seen him exhibit that level of power? scans or issue numbers would be cool. and, i think he's only ever appeared inside his universe if i'm not mistaken.... btw, even celestial level doesn't contradict what i said. galactus>celestial--at least a reasonably fed galactus is....
He created a whole race of elves or something to worship him. I do not know what issue or have scans of it.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm sorry but when did this happen? Are you talking about him removing Nul Hulk from the battle? If so, was there any solid proof that Nul Hulk could amplify his strength the way Banner was able to? The reason that I ask, is because all of the characters possessed were bound up in the background (basically they weren't in the drivers seat).Also the question of if Nul were to have jumped back to where Thor was, how would it have played out? Nul was fine when he landed, Thor wasn't. This isn't me picking sides, but what happened in the comic. This is if you were speaking of Nul Hulk of course.
That's the fight he is talking about. Mind controlled Hulk.
Originally posted by StoicBasically what you're saying is that the guy who tore an adamantium net and crushed an enchanted hammer was actually meant to be weaker than he was before he got the hammer? Hulk is the only character who received an amp and got downgraded?
I'm sorry but when did this happen? Are you talking about him removing Nul Hulk from the battle? If so, was there any solid proof that Nul Hulk could amplify his strength the way Banner was able to? The reason that I ask, is because all of the characters possessed were bound up in the background (basically they weren't in the drivers seat).Also the question of if Nul were to have jumped back to where Thor was, how would it have played out? Nul was fine when he landed, Thor wasn't. This isn't me picking sides, but what happened in the comic. This is if you were speaking of Nul Hulk of course.
And the anger thing wasn't touched upon at all. So I'm not going to assume that a severely pissed off all the time Nul suddenly lost his amping powers. As well as every bound character's powers still worked the same. Absorbing Man still absorbed. Juggernaut was still unstoppable.
And if Thor didn't just get blasted by a sky father before the battle or took attacks due to it being two on one what would have happened? If Hulk would have been laid flat out cold on the ground right in front of Thor and then Thor passed out your question would have the same merit. If Hulk woke up he would have beaten up Thor. If Hulk woke up and flew back to Earth he would have beaten up a passed out Thor. That still doesn't mean the battle wasn't over
Thor won. That's all there is to it. We want to use a scene where Thor didn't attack Hulk as proof of how superior Hulk is, then we should probably bring up their fight.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Basically what you're saying is that the guy who tore an adamantium net and crushed an enchanted hammer was actually meant to be weaker than he was before he got the hammer? Hulk is the only character who received an amp and got downgraded?And the anger thing wasn't touched upon at all. So I'm not going to assume that a severely pissed off all the time Nul suddenly lost his amping powers. As well as every bound character's powers still worked the same. Absorbing Man still absorbed. Juggernaut was still unstoppable.
And if Thor didn't just get blasted by a sky father before the battle or took attacks due to it being two on one what would have happened? If Hulk would have been laid flat out cold on the ground right in front of Thor and then Thor passed out your question would have the same merit. If Hulk woke up he would have beaten up Thor. If Hulk woke up and flew back to Earth he would have beaten up a passed out Thor. That still doesn't mean the battle wasn't over
Thor won. That's all there is to it. We want to use a scene where Thor didn't attack Hulk as proof of how superior Hulk is, then we should probably bring up their fight.
Whoa slow down. I asked a question, and you give me a lecture. Thor passed out, I didn't see Nul pass out. Nul was in the drivers seat, like it or not, in the same manner that Cain was also bound up. I am talking about the personality here. The Hulk's powers work differently than all of the others that you named. They work on attitude, and I am still wondering whether or not Nul was able to amplify the Hulk's body like Banner could. The power increase that he exhibited could have been caused by being in possession on a magical item after all.
Now if you can't give me a concrete answer then that's fine. It was just something that I was thinking of. BTW Nul was awake when he landed, and not KO'd. I don't believe that Thor truly won that fight, and if he did, I would consider it a hollow victory. This is not to say that if the Hulk did the same to Thor that the same would not applly. I mean didn't that happen when they fought it out in the Arctic, and the Hulk tossed Thor away from a blast radius?
Originally posted by StoicWhat do you think is going to happen when you state that a Hulk with an amp is weaker than a Hulk without an amp?
Whoa slow down. I asked a question, and you give me a lecture. Thor passed out, I didn't see Nul pass out. Nul was in the drivers seat, like it or not, in the same manner that Cain was also bound up. I am talking about the personality here. The Hulk's powers work differently than all of the others that you named. They work on attitude, and I am still wondering whether or not Nul was able to amplify the Hulk's body like Banner could. The power increase that he exhibited could have been caused by being in possession on a magical item after all.Now if you can't give me a concrete answer then that's fine. It was just something that I was thinking of. BTW Nul was awake when he landed, and not KO'd. I don't believe that Thor truly won that fight, and if he did, I would consider it a hollow victory. This is not to say that if the Hulk did the same to Thor that the same would not applly. I mean didn't that happen when they fought it out in the Arctic, and the Hulk tossed Thor away from a blast radius?
Hulk was knocked out in space. He woke up. Flew back to Earth. He could do that a 100 times in a row due to a healing factor. That doesn't mean he wins fights.
Anyway, it's outright stated that he was stronger than normal (the first comic I went to):
http://i58.tinypic.com/2yyqe7d.jpg
"Greatly elevated"
And Nul on his own was just as strong as Hulk (WWH at the time) with all of his power, and none of his personality. Without the hammer, and without the Hulk:
http://i58.tinypic.com/n1otg1.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/2whgmqq.jpg
"Power enhancing"
http://i62.tinypic.com/em5qa.jpg
This whole "His personality" thing has been talked about before. And frankly asking for proof of it when the whole premise alone disproves it doesn't work. Until someone can show a scan of someone saying he's weaker... I mean, the proof thing works from both angles, and the Hulk being weaker isn't something that's supported.
Not to mention he was still calling himself Hulk. He recognized people. He remembered about Thor. Etc.
Thor wasn't knocked out in the stratosphere, nor did he land hundreds of miles away never to return. He was actually unhurt too iirc. And people still count that as a win anyway.
Thor won against an amped WWH. Simple really. Whether he could repeat that again is anyone's guess. But the fact remains is that it happened.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL... there was no battle before this. They came there to stop Hulk. Hulk clearly told them to step to the side, there was nothing they could do to stop them and lets not pretend Hulk doesn't know about Thor power level because he does.HAHAHAHAHA...did you just use a fan based story to prove Thor could beat WWH? HAHAHAHAHA.
Again, if Thor was capable of beating WWH, he would have done so during that instance, or at least fought alongside Skaar to stop him. This is what you are forgetting.
LOL... you had a gang of people trying to get you to use common sense and it got them no where. Again, you dont have the right talk about ANYONE.
the image you posted wasnt a fight that happened. its an image that was trying to portray a situation of what will happen if hulk returns and will be pissed at them again. why is thor shirtless? did he fight hulk to lose his top? no. that image was there to portray a situation of hulk keeping his words and return.
as i already explained i will say again. hulk causing thor to stumble doesnt mean he can beat thor. aside of that marvel released a whole issue that show us what would happen if they did fight and thor won, this ends the discussion of Thor vs WWH.
i find it very funny you are using the fact they excluded thor to prove somehow hulk is more powerful. facts are that thor was missing because he would crush WWH. if Thor could be beat by WWH he would be portrayed and owned. only reason they restricted silver surfer to only a gladiator fight with hulk and exluded thor was because they wanted WWH to have his tiny moment of glory. he got his head beat into the ground by juggernaut Lol , he got reversed to baner by a holding back EMO Sentry, was gushing blood from a hercules that did not want to fight. WWH got nothing on thor and always will be a match for thor only in a slugfest while thor is holding back.
Lol i will rewrite it for you. i had a gang of people trying to tell me what to think based on their common opinion. but facts are i got my own opinion and i state it even if it goes up against the entire board. it doesnt even take balls to do it. it just shows how spinless you are that you dont even have the spine to go up against people opinions on some internet forum. if anything you should keep it down and let other people talk while you do what you are best at. cheerlead the stronger debaters and use other people arguments right after they said them
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Originally posted by JuggernautMania
the image you posted wasnt a fight that happened. its an image that was trying to portray a situation of what will happen if hulk returns and will be pissed at them again. why is thor shirtless? did he fight hulk to lose his top? no. that image was there to portray a situation of hulk keeping his words and return.
as i already explained i will say again. hulk causing thor to stumble doesnt mean he can beat thor. aside of that marvel released a whole issue that show us what would happen if they did fight and thor won, this ends the discussion of Thor vs WWH.i find it very funny you are using the fact they excluded thor to prove somehow hulk is more powerful. facts are that thor was missing because he would crush WWH. if Thor could be beat by WWH he would be portrayed and owned. only reason they restricted silver surfer to only a gladiator fight with hulk and exluded thor was because they wanted WWH to have his tiny moment of glory. he got his head beat into the ground by juggernaut Lol , he got reversed to baner by a holding back EMO Sentry, was gushing blood from a hercules that did not want to fight. WWH got nothing on thor and always will be a match for thor only in a slugfest while thor is holding back.
Lol i will rewrite it for you. i had a gang of people trying to tell me what to think based on their common opinion. but facts are i got my own opinion and i state it even if it goes up against the entire board. it doesnt even take balls to do it. it just shows how spinless you are that you dont even have the spine to go up against people opinions on some internet forum. if anything you should keep it down and let other people talk while you do what you are best at. cheerlead the stronger debaters and use other people arguments right after they said them
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So Hulk words isn't good enough for you? What about Thor words?
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
"I can't beat you you know. And I never could."
Thor used a valuable tactic. Instead of fighting Hulk straight up, he bfred him. Those words meant a lot though. It tells us where Hulk stands power wise.
Show me a scan of WWH being reversed by Sentry.
WWH beat Juggernaut after a long battle with almost every mutant on the planet.
The moral of this story is, WWH is above top tier. Get over it.
Originally posted by carver9
So Hulk words isn't good enough for you? What about Thor words?http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
"I can't beat you you know. And I never could."
Thor used a valuable tactic. Instead of fighting Hulk straight up, he bfred him. Those words meant a lot though. It tells us where Hulk stands power wise.
Show me a scan of WWH being reversed by Sentry.
WWH beat Juggernaut after a long battle with almost every mutant on the planet.
The moral of this story is, WWH is above top tier. Get over it.
Thor defeated that version of Hulk. oh the irony.
funny because thor took out hulk or was evenly matched with him dozens of times, and all that only in slugfest without even using his powers. nothing but hyperbole statement.
aside of that i will also point out that we dont know the full context and meaning of this statement. thor could have been talking only about the NUL version. therefor when he said i cant beat you and couldnt beat you he meant he couldnt and cant beat Nul. however thor did beat him so thats funny.
go read the arc if your memory is blured all of a sudden. sentry fights WWH and reverse him to baner.
WWH did not beat juggernaut. WWH realized he cant defeat juggernaut and he used a BFR tactic. strage that he did waste time crippling the x men with easy. but when it came to juggernaut who stomped his head into the ground suddenly he chose to bfr and didnt want any of this going further.
moral of the story all top dogs like thor were excluded from the WWH arc so he wont get wooped. all the lesser dogs were not even trying to fight him and still made him gush with green blood.
WWH is mid herald at best.
Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Thor defeated that version of Hulk. oh the irony.funny because thor took out hulk or was evenly matched with him dozens of times, and all that only in slugfest without even using his powers. nothing but hyperbole statement.
aside of that i will also point out that we dont know the full context and meaning of this statement. thor could have been talking only about the NUL version. therefor when he said i cant beat you and couldnt beat you he meant he couldnt and cant beat Nul. however thor did beat him so thats funny.
go read the arc if your memory is blured all of a sudden. sentry fights WWH and reverse him to baner.
WWH did not beat juggernaut. WWH realized he cant defeat juggernaut and he used a BFR tactic. strage that he did waste time crippling the x men with easy. but when it came to juggernaut who stomped his head into the ground suddenly he chose to bfr and didnt want any of this going further.
moral of the story all top dogs like thor were excluded from the WWH arc so he wont get wooped. all the lesser dogs were not even trying to fight him and still made him gush with green blood.
WWH is mid herald at best.
You're not smart at all. In this same post, you claimed Thor beat Hulk. Thor defeated this version of Hulk by bfring him. Then, in your same post, even though Hulk bfred Juggernaut, you are not claiming it as a victory. At least be consistent with your argument.
Top doge was in WWH. Sentry was there, an all out Sentry. Hercules, an amped Strange...the entire mutant race. An amped Ironman. Etc, etc. I don't know why I am wasting my time debating you anyways, Wolverinos.
Lol...Thor said "and I never could"...which means overall in my opinion. We are done here. I would rather debate against H1 than you. Back on topic, Cytorrak stops at Galactus.
Originally posted by carver9
You're not smart at all. In this same post, you claimed Thor beat Hulk. Thor defeated this version of Hulk by bfring him. Then, in your same post, even though Hulk bfred Juggernaut, you are not claiming it as a victory. At least be consistent with your argument.Top doge was in WWH. Sentry was there, an all out Sentry. Hercules, an amped Strange...the entire mutant race. An amped Ironman. Etc, etc. I don't know why I am wasting my time debating you anyways, Wolverinos.
Lol...Thor said "and I never could"...which means overall in my opinion. We are done here. I would rather debate against H1 than you. Back on topic, Cytorrak stops at Galactus.
there is a difference. thor used his powers to force a bfr uppon hulk by using his exotic powers. WWH on the other hand just stepped aside and let juggernaut continue his momentum.thats a different scenario.
a sentry that did not want to fight WWH but wanted to calm him down Lol. hercules? hercules didnt even fight back. the only time he landed a punch on hulk he was gushing green blood haha, hercules was just standing and taking the shots he didnt want to fight. iron man? Lol. the x men? Lol. face it all the big guns were missing because they could tear him apart.
but then thor did Lol so thats kinda dumb. aisde of that he may refer only to the nul version which means during the entire time they fought he never could in his own opinion. at any way your point is invalid both by feats and that statement.
