Cyttorak runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
there is a difference. thor used his powers to force a bfr uppon hulk by using his exotic powers. WWH on the other hand just stepped aside and let juggernaut continue his momentum.thats a different scenario.

a sentry that did not want to fight WWH but wanted to calm him down Lol. hercules? hercules didnt even fight back. the only time he landed a punch on hulk he was gushing green blood haha, hercules was just standing and taking the shots he didnt want to fight. iron man? Lol. the x men? Lol. face it all the big guns were missing because they could tear him apart.

but then thor did Lol so thats kinda dumb. aisde of that he may refer only to the nul version which means during the entire time they fought he never could in his own opinion. at any way your point is invalid both by feats and that statement.

Hulk slapped him on the back and made him run off. A bfr is a bfr you hypocrite.

Hahahahaha...Sentry didn't want to fight Hulk? Did you even read the story? Read Sentry own words.

Hulk states "you don't want this fight Sentry". Sentry states "God help me I do. You're the onky one I can punch like THIS".

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh010.jpg.html

Lets continue. Sentry states "you have to tell me something, Hulk. Does it always feel this good to let go?"

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh020.jpg.html

You honestly need to retire from debating. It's obvious you don't read the comics you debate about.

Show me Hulk gushing green blood. Herc admitted he couldn't beat WWH and that Hulk could have killed him if he didn't hold back.

Are you really downing the Xmen? Two of them gave Thor a fight. A handful of them defeated Juggernaut. And a group of them took on the Avengers and actually stalemated them and they also took on the Serpents as well. The Xmen is an above top tier team, especially with prep.

So you admit Hulk defeated Juggernaut as well? Bfring is bfring (even though it's a cheap tactic, but smart), so give credit where credit is due, hypocrite.

Also, lol at Sentry calming Hulk when we have Hulk going back to WWH levels a couple of panels later.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh028.jpg.html

Then to seal the deal, he goes WORLD BREAKER a couple of more panels later. Your argument is untouched.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh033.jpg.html

So carver, are you going to explain based on exactly what does Cyttorak get past Odin?

Originally posted by Epicurus
So carver, are you going to explain based on exactly what does Cyttorak get past Odin?

Depends on where the fight takes place. He recently controlled the Phoenix while it was inhibited inside of Piotro but this took place in his realm. The thing about that is, there really isn't any proof that he is weaker outside of it, so he could probably replicate that ft outside of his realm. Another thing is, Trion was a fraction of Cy power and Trion almost destroyed everything with nothing but brute strength. I see no reason on why he wouldn't get past Odin. Hell, if he was to beat Galsctus I wouldn't be surprised.

That's just my opinion though.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk slapped him on the back and made him run off. A bfr is a bfr you hypocrite.

Hahahahaha...Sentry didn't want to fight Hulk? Did you even read the story? Read Sentry own words.

Hulk states "you don't want this fight Sentry". Sentry states "God help me I do. You're the onky one I can punch like THIS".

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh010.jpg.html

Lets continue. Sentry states "you have to tell me something, Hulk. Does it always feel this good to let go?"

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh020.jpg.html

You honestly need to retire from debating. It's obvious you don't read the comics you debate about.

Show me Hulk gushing green blood. Herc admitted he couldn't beat WWH and that Hulk could have killed him if he didn't hold back.

Are you really downing the Xmen? Two of them gave Thor a fight. A handful of them defeated Juggernaut. And a group of them took on the Avengers and actually stalemated them and they also took on the Serpents as well. The Xmen is an above top tier team, especially with prep.

So you admit Hulk defeated Juggernaut as well? Bfring is bfring (even though it's a cheap tactic, but smart), so give credit where credit is due, hypocrite.

Also, lol at Sentry calming Hulk when we have Hulk going back to WWH levels a couple of panels later.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh028.jpg.html

Then to seal the deal, he goes WORLD BREAKER a couple of more panels later. Your argument is untouched.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh033.jpg.html

Hulk didnt do crap he just stepped aside. the slap on the back was nothing more than a taunt. facts are it was juggernaut who bfrd himself based on his powers.
now thor on the other hand force the bfr with his godly powers on Nul hulk.

Sentry wanted to help hulk and during the whole fight we saw he was trying to calm him down. of course there was a fight indeed, however hulk was pissed off while sentry was still treating him as a friend. eventually WWH did reverse to baner. the fact later he got back to his normal self has nothing to do with the fact sentry literally beat the WWH out of him Lol. and that was the calm bob sentry i dont want to imagine what would happen if viod sentry was beating that green ass.

Hercules did not want to fight hulk and the only strike he landed on hulk made him gush with green blood, its funny and sad that you are boasting his "win" over hercules while hercules didnt even fight back.

the x men? who did WWH fight? as always they were trying to calm him down at the beginning, however later who did he fight? beast? colossus? cyclops? you know whats the most funny thing? you claim WWH is a high herald and yet you brag so much about the fact he beat couple of metas. i dont think anybody would brag about thor beating the same team because for a high herald thats a no problem. it only prove further how desperate you are and that you dont believe yourself that WWH is on the levels you try to present him. nothing but a troll.

i find it funny how mad you got. is it because i touched your most favorite hulk incarnation? or was it because i exposed you for being a puppet to some posters on those boards? either way its funny keep going please.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Hulk didnt do crap he just stepped aside. the slap on the back was nothing more than a taunt. facts are it was juggernaut who bfrd himself based on his powers.
now thor on the other hand force the bfr with his godly powers on Nul hulk.

Sentry wanted to help hulk and during the whole fight we saw he was trying to calm him down. of course there was a fight indeed, however hulk was pissed off while sentry was still treating him as a friend. eventually WWH did reverse to baner. the fact later he got back to his normal self has nothing to do with the fact sentry literally beat the WWH out of him Lol. and that was the calm bob sentry i dont want to imagine what would happen if viod sentry was beating that green ass.

Hercules did not want to fight hulk and the only strike he landed on hulk made him gush with green blood, its funny and sad that you are boasting his "win" over hercules while hercules didnt even fight back.

the x men? who did WWH fight? as always they were trying to calm him down at the beginning, however later who did he fight? beast? colossus? cyclops? you know whats the most funny thing? you claim WWH is a high herald and yet you brag so much about the fact he beat couple of metas. i dont think anybody would brag about thor beating the same team because for a high herald thats a no problem. it only prove further how desperate you are and that you dont believe yourself that WWH is on the levels you try to present him. nothing but a troll.

i find it funny how mad you got. is it because i touched your most favorite hulk incarnation? or was it because i exposed you for being a puppet to some posters on those boards? either way its funny keep going please.

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Show me sentry reasoning with Hulk.

Show me the Xmen reasoning with Hulk.

Also, lol at the line up you gave. Show me proof of what you are saying or do not reply to me with your homemade assumptions.

Originally posted by carver9
Depends on where the fight takes place. He recently controlled the Phoenix while it was inhibited inside of Piotro but this took place in his realm. The thing about that is, there really isn't any proof that he is weaker outside of it, so he could probably replicate that ft outside of his realm. Another thing is, Trion was a fraction of Cy power and Trion almost destroyed everything with nothing but brute strength. I see no reason on why he wouldn't get past Odin. Hell, if he was to beat Galsctus I wouldn't be surprised.

That's just my opinion though.

Mr Sinister with the power of the Dreaming Celestial completely wrecked all 5 of the P5, and as we know Galactus is easily the Dreaming Celestial's peer in terms of the scale of their power.

Lol no, Trion wasn't a fraction of his power. Trion-Juggs was basically Cain being possessed by Cyttorak and going on a dimension busting rampage.

You see no reason for him to get past Odin? Apart from the fact that for all his bluster in the Devil's Advocay, he didn't even attempt to take on Cul by himself. And Cul is supposed to be well below Odin's level, even before Odin merged with his brothers to create the Odinforce.

So yeah, he's definitely getting past Odin. Though not based on actual on-panel proof, rather your ignorance-fueled wanking of the character.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've always figured him about dormammu level, which is to say about odin level. fp tyrant (the one who battled g so along ago) would likely stop him. from the discussion in the fear itself arc, i was always under the impression that cyttorak was stronger than 2/5 of the pf, but imo he would have been less than the full force, though it's true the full power of the complete force has been somewhat inconsistently depicted.... he's always been notoriously difficult to gauge power-wise.

Originally posted by carver9
Depends on where the fight takes place. He recently controlled the Phoenix while it was inhibited inside of Piotro but this took place in his realm. The thing about that is, there really isn't any proof that he is weaker outside of it, so he could probably replicate that ft outside of his realm. Another thing is, Trion was a fraction of Cy power and Trion almost destroyed everything with nothing but brute strength. I see no reason on why he wouldn't get past Odin. Hell, if he was to beat Galsctus I wouldn't be surprised.

That's just my opinion though.

In that same instance you're referring to, it was clearly attributed to him being inside his domain:

http://i.imgur.com/TuHDtom.jpg

And that's how it's always been right from the beginning; in X-Men v1 #33, Xorak a demon who was created by Cyttorak, says that he may be a normal demon on earth but inside the crimson cosmos he's much more:

http://i.imgur.com/J87y8zD.jpg?1

In the trion instance, it wasn't a "fraction" of Cyttorak's power which was powering Juggernaut; it was as i recall all the evil essence of Cyttorak who infected Cain, and he was getting more and more powerful as he was busting through the dimensional walls (which is much more different than busting actual dimensions).

Anyway, regarding Cyttorak's standing: based on the Eight day arc, Cyttorak is of the same power-level to every other member in Octessence, who are definitely not on Galactus' level and are mostly featless; except one who was previously featured in a previous Dr Strange comic, who was warping reality on a very limited scale when he was nearly at full power (although he was threatening the fabric of reality or some such, but of course on panel nothing of the sort happened, not even the planet was shown to be threatened).

I will respond to the posts in this thread soon.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Pwning trans tier beings doesn't put him on the same level as Galactus.

Mr Sinister with the power of the Dreaming Celestial completely wrecked all 5 of the P5, and as we know Galactus is easily the Dreaming Celestial's peer in terms of the scale of their power.

Lol no, Trion wasn't a fraction of his power. Trion-Juggs was basically Cain being possessed by Cyttorak and going on a dimension busting rampage.

You see no reason for him to get past Odin? Apart from the fact that for all his bluster in the Devil's Advocay, he didn't even attempt to take on Cul by himself. And Cul is supposed to be well below Odin's level, even before Odin merged with his brothers to create the Odinforce.

So yeah, he's definitely getting past Odin. Though not based on actual on-panel proof, rather your ignorance-fueled wanking of the character.

Never said he was on the same level as Galactus. I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was capable of defeating Galactus. Sad thing is, he doesn't have the fts proving this.

Galactus is on the level of the Celestials but that doesn't mean he would approach the fight in the same fashion Sinister did, let alone Cytorrak.

Trion wasn't the full might of Cytorrak, at all. He was only a fraction that was getting more powerful by the second (basically inhibiting Cain body to unknown lengths). Even during the beginning of the power surge Cytorrak offered Cain, he was still ripping through dimensions casually. Cant see Odin or Galactus beating something of this caliber.

Wasn't there context to the Cul showing? Let me look because from what I've read on Cy, he is the most powerful and unstoppable of the demons and actually ruled all on earth until he was captured inside the gem.

Originally posted by operator616
In that same instance you're referring to, it was clearly attributed to him being inside his domain:

http://i.imgur.com/TuHDtom.jpg

And that's how it's always been right from the beginning; in X-Men v1 #33, Xorak a demon who was created by Cyttorak, says that he may be a normal demon on earth but inside the crimson cosmos he's much more:

http://i.imgur.com/J87y8zD.jpg?1

In the trion instance, it wasn't a "fraction" of Cyttorak's power which was powering Juggernaut; it was as i recall all the evil essence of Cyttorak who infected Cain, and he was getting more and more powerful as he was busting through the dimensional walls (which is much more different than busting actual dimensions).

Anyway, regarding Cyttorak's standing: based on the Eight day arc, Cyttorak is of the same power-level to every other member in Octessence, who are definitely not on Galactus' level and are mostly featless; except one who was previously featured in a previous Dr Strange comic, who was warping reality on a very limited scale when he was nearly at full power (although he was threatening the fabric of reality or some such, but of course on panel nothing of the sort happened, not even the planet was shown to be threatened).

I disagree. Your first scan states something we already know. Of course he is in his dimension and of course he has control over the law of physics there but that doesn't mean he is any less powerful outside of it.

Also, your second scan doesn't have a thing to do with Cytorrak, it is in reference to his demon. I can't think of anything that states Cytorrak is weaker outside of his gem, especially when there is proof of him being unstoppable before getting into the gem. His power had dominion over earth until he was trapped inside of the gem.

Originally posted by carver9
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Show me sentry reasoning with Hulk.

Show me the Xmen reasoning with Hulk.

Also, lol at the line up you gave. Show me proof of what you are saying or do not reply to me with your homemade assumptions.

read the story sentry is talking with him trying to calm him down.

again read the story when hulk appears at the mension they tell him they dont want any of this and trying to talk him down. during the entire time their main goal was to reason with him.

concede carver you know everything i said is facts from the comics. you got nothing aside of fanboy wankage and imagening your own story. you would like to believe WWH is something special but he really isnt. bashed by juggernaut. bashed by people who didnt even want to fight him. Lol even Warpath managed to paralyze his arms for a while. WWH was bleeding and cut left to right and if it wasnt for his healing factor cyclops would take him down as the very beginning. WWH got raped by zeus like nobody has ever been. he is a bum.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
read the story sentry is talking with him trying to calm him down.

again read the story when hulk appears at the mension they tell him they dont want any of this and trying to talk him down. during the entire time their main goal was to reason with him.

concede carver you know everything i said is facts from the comics. you got nothing aside of fanboy wankage and imagening your own story. you would like to believe WWH is something special but he really isnt. bashed by juggernaut. bashed by people who didnt even want to fight him. Lol even Warpath managed to paralyze his arms for a while. WWH was bleeding and cut left to right and if it wasnt for his healing factor cyclops would take him down as the very beginning. WWH got raped by zeus like nobody has ever been. he is a bum.

Again, prove your point or I am reporting you for trolling.

OK so skipping the trash talk about Hulk and Juggernaut. As it wasn't really the point of the thread, how does he fair against Tyrant and Galactus?

Originally posted by carver9
Never said he was on the same level as Galactus. I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was capable of defeating Galactus. Sad thing is, he doesn't have the fts proving this.

Galactus is on the level of the Celestials but that doesn't mean he would approach the fight in the same fashion Sinister did, let alone Cytorrak.

Trion wasn't the full might of Cytorrak, at all. He was only a fraction that was getting more powerful by the second (basically inhibiting Cain body to unknown lengths). Even during the beginning of the power surge Cytorrak offered Cain, he was still ripping through dimensions casually. Cant see Odin or Galactus beating something of this caliber.

Wasn't there context to the Cul showing? Let me look because from what I've read on Cy, he is the most powerful and unstoppable of the demons and actually ruled all on earth until he was captured inside the gem.

Except for the fact when he has. Or are you unaware of the time when Galactus almost killed the Phoenix? The latter being saved when Roma and Uatu basically begged Galactus not to do it. LOL.

Lol, this is an outright lie. For one, Trion were a collective of otherwordly gods/demons. Basically a bunch of Hell-Lord type beings. Entities which Cyttorak had an ancient beef with. To the point that Cyttorak completely possessed Cain, thereby providing him with all of his power.

Odin and Galactus have broken dimensions, busted galaxies, and beaten nigh-omnipotent beings in direct combat. You mean to tell me that they can't beat the relatively featless Cyttorak? GTFO of here, dude.

Nope, no context at all. Cyttorak was basically going on a rant about how the Serpent's actions were illegal or some shit, just because Cul stole his avatar Cain and empowered him with the power of Kuurth or some crap like that:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/drunkbastard703/13.jpg
He never, not once, tried to confront the Serpent on his own. Instead he relied on venting his frustrations at the Devil's Advocacy like a kid who gets his favorite toy car stolen by a bigger kid on the playground. Heck, Mephisto basically notes that Cyttorak is all bark and no bite in the above scan.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree. Your first scan states something we already know. Of course he is in his dimension and of course he has control over the law of physics there but that doesn't mean he is any less powerful outside of it.

If that was the case, then Illyana wouldn't have been able to break Cyttorak's enchantment within her own realm.

Hell-Lords are supreme only inside of their own dominions. Outside of it, they vary from being high-heralds to trans tier beings.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You see no reason for him to get past Odin? Apart from the fact that for all his bluster in the Devil's Advocay, he didn't even attempt to take on Cul by himself. And Cul is supposed to be well below Odin's level, even before Odin merged with his brothers to create the Odinforce.

So yeah, he's definitely getting past Odin. Though not based on actual on-panel proof, rather your ignorance-fueled wanking of the character.

While I agree Cytorrak isn't beating Odin and the Mephisto comic heavily implies that Cul would rape beings like Mephisto/Nightmare/Cytorrak etc. in a direct fight, I don't think Odin was any weaker when he fought Cul or anything. I'd say he was as powerful as ever and was even rocking the Odin Sword and shit.

In that version of Asgard, Odin is the second eldest and is already an old man by the time he fights Cul in the previous world. Basically, I don't think Walter Simonson's version of the origin of the Odin Force has any relevance here. Whether it's because it's a different Ragnarok cycle or Fraction didn't give a shit, I don't know (Probably the latter though).

Originally posted by carver9
Again, prove your point or I am reporting you for trolling.

whats the matter carver you got cornered so you resort to crying and reporting? reporting what exactly? sentry was trying to calm the hulk down and talk to him. same as the x men when he appeared at the x mension. same as hercules and everybody. they were trying to calm him down while he was berserk and wanted to hurt them badly.

Originally posted by Epicurus
So you think you don't see Galactus being able to beat creature like Cyttorak, and still claim that you never put him on G's level? What sort of contradictory bullshit is that?

Except for the fact when he has. Or are you unaware of the time when Galactus almost killed the Phoenix? The latter being saved when Roma and Uatu basically begged Galactus not to do it. LOL.

Lol, this is an outright lie. For one, Trion were a collective of otherwordly gods/demons. Basically a bunch of Hell-Lord type beings. Entities which Cyttorak had an ancient beef with. To the point that Cyttorak completely possessed Cain, thereby providing him with all of his power.

Odin and Galactus have broken dimensions, busted galaxies, and beaten nigh-omnipotent beings in direct combat. You mean to tell me that they can't beat the relatively featless Cyttorak? GTFO of here, dude.

Nope, no context at all. Cyttorak was basically going on a rant about how the Serpent's actions were illegal or some shit, just because Cul stole his avatar Cain and empowered him with the power of Kuurth or some crap like that:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/drunkbastard703/13.jpg
He never, not once, tried to confront the Serpent on his own. Instead he relied on venting his frustrations at the Devil's Advocacy like a kid who gets his favorite toy car stolen by a bigger kid on the playground. Heck, Mephisto basically notes that Cyttorak is all bark and no bite in the above scan.

Ok he stops at Odin, thanks!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
While I agree Cytorrak isn't beating Odin and the Mephisto comic heavily implies that Cul would rape beings like Mephisto/Nightmare/Cytorrak etc. in a direct fight, I don't think Odin was any weaker when he fought Cul or anything. I'd say he was as powerful as ever and was even rocking the Odin Sword and shit.

In that version of Asgard, Odin is the second eldest and is already an old man by the time he fights Cul in the previous world. Basically, I don't think Walter Simonson's version of the origin of the Odin Force has any relevance here. Whether it's because it's a different Ragnarok cycle or Fraction didn't give a shit, I don't know (Probably the latter though).

Heck, iirc, the original creation of the Odinforce was even referenced in a Fraction comic. I think Bran of or someone posted scans longtime back in an Odin thread. Let me dig it up.