Doctor Doom faces off against True Low Heralds...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

This isnt a gauntlet; rather you argue how he performs against each of the characters on this list in a best of 10 battle...

And if he gets wins, what are you basing him getting wins upon...

Truth be told, that didn't help him much vs Iron Man. Oh well.

@Braylor Swift

This is what True Heralds do to Doom in a straight up fight sans prep for either side; they neutralize him with ease...

Terrax put a stop to Doom with a single attack:

Originally posted by zopzop
Hmm there are lots of variables involved in something like that. Doom can get wins if he "magics" something up on the fly. Remember he is an accomplished mage.

Truth be told, that didn't help him much vs Iron Man. Oh well.

Exactly, Doom isnt "True Low Herald" level tough/powerful...

He is absolutely a High Meta at best; he isnt at the same table as the big boys unless its a circumstantial situation or if he has prep (like when he "beat" [and I say "beat" losely] Magus; it was fully circumstantial)...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Braylor Swift

This is what True Heralds do to Doom in a straight up fight sans prep for either side; they neutralize him with ease...

Terrax put a stop to Doom with a [b]single attack: [/B]

Originally posted by zopzop
Terrax actually killed the real Doom there. Not a machine, clone, or whatever. It took Beyonder to resurrect him. 💃

Well he destroyed the real Dooms body...

Didnt Doom transfer his mind into the body of an onlooker from the crowd?

@zopzop

Can you really see Doom having any success at all against DoS Doomsday sans prep or a plot device of some sort?

I cant...

Same goes with Ultron (who Doom had to manipulate Owen into stopping during the original Secret War as Doom knew he [as well as many of the other villians] was doomed against on his own; Doom admitted this on panel)...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well he destroyed the real Dooms body...

Didnt Doom transfer his mind into the body of an onlooker from the crowd?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

Can you really see Doom having any success at all against DoS Doomsday sans prep or a plot device of some sort?

I cant...

Same goes with Ultron (who Doom had to manipulate Owen into stopping during the original Secret War as Doom knew he [as well as many of the other villians] was doomed against on his own; Doom admitted this on panel)...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Doom is absolutely less powerful than the characters on this list...

Doom cant do what Jack or Drax can do sans prep...period.

And you are in denial if you actually consider Doom to be as powerful as DoS Doomsday; without a plot device, Doomsday is walking right though whatever Doom is able to generate, batters down his shielding, and kills him...period.

Doom is a High Meta; he lacks the raw power the characters on this list possess...

And remember, we go by average feats/showings; Doom rocking Uatu with a CC is nowhere near Dooms average (I'd argue that it was a PIS feat honestly)...

Once again, on average, he is not in the same class as the characters on this list...

Jack of Hearts fought Hulk and got stomped. Doom fought Hulk and beat him. Jack isn't what you make him out to be and Doom battle fts are much better.

Doomsday, even during that era isn't low Herald.

How does he get past Graviton?

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday, even during that era isn't low Herald.

You know, I actually agree with you, but as I stated in the OP, I just went with the tierings as they appear here at KMC and got characters off of that list...

There are characters on that list that are clearly beyond Low Herald (like DoS Doomsday) and there are characters on that list that are clearly beneath Low Herald (like Dr Doom) who are only there because people like them...

Magic.

Originally posted by golem370
How does he get past Graviton?

Exactly...

Without prep or a plot device Doom gets owned against this guy...

Nor does Doom possess anywhere near the raw power that Graviton possesses...

Originally posted by carver9
Magic.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You know, I actually agree with you, but as I stated in the OP, I just went with the tierings as they appear here at KMC and got characters off of that list...

There are characters on that list that are clearly beyond Low Herald (like DoS Doomsday) and there are characters on that list that are clearly beneath Low Herald (like Dr Doom) wh are only there because people like them...

Or he could be there based off fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Magic.

Right...

Show me some scans of him overwhelming legit Heralds with magic in a noncircumstantial fight without prep for either side...I'll wait.

His magical power sure helped him against Terrax...didnt it?

LoL...

Originally posted by carver9
Or he could be there based off fts.

No, he is there because people like him mainly as he definitely lacks the raw firepower that you see from True Low Herald level characters...

Originally posted by carver9
Jack of Hearts fought Hulk and got stomped. Doom fought Hulk and beat him. Jack isn't what you make him out to be and Doom battle fts are much better.

That ABC logic isnt applicable here; the question is how does Doom beat JoH?

Doom cant do what the Hulk can do, so thats meaningless...

Furthermore, Hulk has weaknesses that arent applicable to JoH...

You know that carver; stop being dense...

Also, Doom getting essentially one shotted by Terrax makes Doom more formidable that JoH in battle?

@carver

You neglected to mention that JoH actually won the 1st encounter that he had with Hulk; Hulk didnt recover from Jacks attack until the next issue:

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope. I'm in agreement with you. Doom vs Doomsday, sans prep for Doom, would end in only one way : with Doom's painful death.

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