Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Despite all the deflection you are throwing up, you also know full well that in a PIS'less/prep'less environment Doom loses to the majority of the list in the OP...Grodd is there btw because I wanted there to be someone present that he could actually potentially get wins against sans PIS/prep...
Jack has been written up since his fight against Hulk btw (and he is 1 and 1 against Hulk as I pointed out earlier in this thread) and his portrayals/feats support it...
Jack can reinite a star under his own power sans prep...can Doom?
When Tyrants robots went gathering beings to power Tyrants machines, they selected beings that possessed a certain level of power or greater; Surfer, Morg, Terrax, Jack, Bill, Gladiator, and Gandymede were selected...
Jack was the one that damaged Tyrants machinery allowing the others to get free and mount an attack against Tyrant; you really think Doom has the raw power to do what Jack did?
In a PIS'less environment, you really think Doom is giving pause to Tyrant?
Jack kept performing these levels of feats...its called an average...and its greater than Dooms average.
Doom isnt on the same level as the characters mentioned in this thread (except maybe Grodd, and in a PIS'less environment he can definitely get wins against Doom)...
Take off the rose tinted glasses and see him for what he truly is...
He's a High Meta that, between PIS and prep, can give greater characters trouble...
Yes, not everything he does is PIS or involves prep, but without those, his combat effectiveness drops significantly...
Deflection? Like ignoring every single feat of Doom because you don't like his high ones? How do you feel about Doom beating Adam Warlock? I guess we'll never know because you refuse to acknowledge its existence.
And no Doom doesn't. That's stupid as hell.
So you used someone Doom could beat IYO as evidence that Doom isn't on that tier? How does that work?
Scan me the scans of Jack beating Hulk.
And Doom can kill a Watcher under his own power, can Jack? Though your question applies to everyone in this thread who isn't Jack or Nova. I know for a fact Doomsday can't reignite a sun, guess we'd better knock him down a tier since fights don't matter.
And Jack of Hearts is easily way weaker than all of them. I don't know how him being captured is supposed to be a feat when the guy is vastly inferior to all of them. But congrats on Jack of Hearts getting knocked out and captured being a feat. How could Doom compare?
In fact, what does Tyrant think of Jack of Hearts who his robots nearly beat to death?
http://i60.tinypic.com/6f58jl.jpg
Color me impressed!
Do I really think Doom could break machinery - That's the question you just asked me. Um... yeah.
In a pisless environment Jack of Hearts isn't giving pause to Tyrant. So you can stop pretending only two of Jack of Heart's feats count while ignoring the rest, and acting like Doom's high feats are all pis.
But since you're only pretending Jack of Hearts has two high feats that are totally not pis, let's return the favor.
Doom has killed Molecule Man, rocked PR Beyonder, killed a Watcher, rocked Uatu with the Cosmic Cube, killed a weakened Marquis of Death, etc. So yes, if we're going purely by high feats, then Doom can easily match anything JoH has ever done.
Or are we only allowed to use Doom's average feats, and pretend Jack of Hearts' only two feats are reigniting a sun, and giving Tyrant pause? Actually, you won't even acknowledge the existence of Doom's average feats so I don't even know what the hell you want to listen to. If you cover your eyes ears and ass tight enough, then you can state whatever you want.
Two feats out of what a hundred comics or so is not an average. 😂
Doom is easily on most of these beings levels. You stating that while ignoring every feat he has doesn't mean anything. And you saying that is only you admitting you tried to create a bait and spite thread... shocker for you I know.
The irony abounds there. But good job telling someone to take of rose colored glasses when you are blatantly ignoring anything Doom has done. Do you expect me to just bring up him beating Spider-Man and act like that is his average or something?
He can beat higher characters though, consistently. So naturally that would make him a street level character...
Good job ignoring Doom beating characters above the people in this thread. Good job ignoring Doom beating characters who have beaten characters in this thread.
Also, if fighting feats don't matter at all, then what do you make of Doomsday? Why is he being elevated when he lacks none of the "OMG so big" feats that you're using for others? Doomsday is in the exact same boat as Doom (albeit it on a higher level). He beats people in fights. That's it. He doesn't punch continents or reignite suns, he just beats people. Yet he gets a special pass and Doom doesn't? Hypocrisy?
Actually, I don't even know what the hell you're basing anything off of since you're bouncing all over the place. You say raw power matters, yet you're only bringing up JoH's two high feats (and one is kind of a fighting feat), yet Doom's high feats are all pis, and you're blatantly ignoring his fighting feats while still pretending he needs prep and pis to be effective.
Just blind hate at this point. You failed to create a bait thread and now you're justifying your stance with blinders.
