Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Right...Show me some scans of him overwhelming legit Heralds with magic in a noncircumstantial fight without prep for either side...I'll wait.
His magical power sure helped him against Terrax...didnt it?
LoL...
Lol...did you really ask this? I'll just name one person right now. Sentry. Let me know when you want another person.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderDrax maybe not, but Jack of Hearts is easily eclipsed. Go ahead and outdo what I just said using his feats.
Doom is absolutely less powerful than the characters on this list...Doom cant do what Jack or Drax can do sans prep...period.
And you are in denial if you actually consider Doom to be as powerful as DoS Doomsday; without a plot device, Doomsday is walking right though whatever Doom is able to generate, batters down his shielding, and kills him...period.
Doom is a High Meta; he lacks the raw power the characters on this list possess...
And remember, we go by average feats/showings; Doom rocking Uatu with a CC is nowhere near Dooms average (I'd argue that it was a PIS feat honestly)...
Once again, on average, he is not in the same class as the characters on this list...
I said some. Pumping up JoH just because Doomsday is there is retarded.
He lacks the collateral damage some of these characters have, but his feats are better than most of the characters here.
If we go by average then why on Earth are you posting the Tyrant scene for Jack of Hearts? And why are you ignoring who Doom has beaten in favor of one high feat from him?
On average... Is this supposed to deter a consistently "high written" Doom? The funny thing is too that as well as ignoring Doom's consistency, that he actually gets more powerful as time progresses much like Iron Man via constant upgrades and magic.
But yes, you made a thread stating that Doom is far below everyone here. The great lom thread streak continues.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Drax maybe not, but Jack of Hearts is easily eclipsed. Go ahead and outdo what I just said using his feats.I said some. Pumping up JoH just because Doomsday is there is retarded.
He lacks the collateral damage some of these characters have, but his feats are better than most of the characters here.
If we go by average then why on Earth are you posting the Tyrant scene for Jack of Hearts? And why are you ignoring who Doom has beaten in favor of one high feat from him?
On average... Is this supposed to deter a consistently "high written" Doom? The funny thing is too that as well as ignoring Doom's consistency, that he actually gets more powerful as time progresses much like Iron Man via constant upgrades and magic.
But yes, you made a thread stating that Doom is far below everyone here. The great lom thread streak continues.
Well, Jack arguably has a better feat than the Tyrant one...or didnt you know that?
Also, Dooms wins against the more powerful characters are often circumstantial and/or require a plot device...
Sans a plot device he got quickly owned by Terrax for example and admiited he couldnt handle Ultron...
He's just not a True Herald as you'd like him to be...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderGo right ahead with the JoH feats.
Well, Jack arguably has a better feat than the Tyrant one...or didnt you know that?Also, Dooms wins against the more powerful characters are often circumstantial and/or require a plot device...
Sans a plot device he got quickly owned by Terrax for example and admiited he couldnt handle Ultron...
He's just not a True Herald as you'd like him to be...
Explain the plot device in any of the fights I brought up.
And he's upgraded his armor vastly since then. So much so that he can do this to Hulk:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/incrediblehulk2012-07f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/incrediblehulk2012-07g.jpg
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You hate the character though
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Right...Show me some scans of him overwhelming legit Heralds with magic in a noncircumstantial fight without prep for either side...I'll wait.
His magical power sure helped him against Terrax...didnt it?
LoL...
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Some of the more noteworthy feats:
-Tracking characters across the globe by their auras alone.
-Casually busting through Strange's Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
-Armor that adapts to attacks used against it.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzopI am having trouble locating Jacks feats from the following issue (I know I have them, but simply cant locate them), but I am sure you have them...mind posting the one involving the star?
Originally posted by zopzop
Carver, Magneto has more on panel appearances than JoH and has been around longer so we have to take what we can get from all of JoH's limited appearances.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThat was when Terrax had a power source equal to Surfer's:
Dont forget adding Dr Doom getting one shotted by Terrax to his combat feats! 🙂
And he fused his armor to make him into a statue like state. Doom was still wide awake.
As well as it was something unexpected. If you know anything about Doom which you obviously don't, it's that he adapts to situations after they happen. For example Namor's lightning defeated him once. And that never happened again as Doom built a failsafe.
But words are words. Here's Doom taking the same kind of attack from an abstract, and then a blast, and then his heart being turned to stone and his blood to acid:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FantasticFour566pg26.jpg
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Originally posted by ODG
"After saving the city of CHcago from a monstrous invasion, the team went on the run -- and became lost through the timestream. In the distant past the Thunderbolts accidentally rescued the super villain Dr. Doom -- who in turn tried to steal their tower and strand them in the past. War has been waged across time!"Doom vs Thunderbolts, from Dark Avengers #176-177:
Oh yeah, he also killed an alternate Watcher in this series, and a weakened Marquis of Death. 🙂
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But if you can't accept his feats, then lowballing him works too. Using Terrax of all people, and a Terrax just as powerful as Silver Surfer too. Surely Terrax is a beacon of low herald... ness?
But yeah, none of Doom's feats count because an amped Terrax once beat him. Good point.
@Braylor
The above scans of Jack shows what a True Herald is capable of; Doom isnt remotely on that level...
Doom lacks the raw power Jack possesses...he lacks the raw power Drax possesses...he lacks the raw power Graviton possesses...get it?
Yes, Doom has some nice combat feats and is versatile, but True Low Heralds have more than that; they have tons of raw power...
Doom doesnt have this; his overall power level is in the ballpark of that of a High Meta...
Just accept it and move on...
Edit: and yes, I know alot about Doom and I know he lacks the power of a True Low Herald which you appear to be blind to!
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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Whats the issue Doom took Odin down? If someone can produce that, I rest my case.
You do know that that was incredibly circumstantial and required a plot device?
Under forum conditions (which are identical to those presented in this thread) Doom has absolutely no prayer against Odin...
He has no prayer against some of the characters in this very thread...
Wow... This is sad.
Everyone knows the tier thread is f*cked and needs to be edited heavily.
Ultron is a trans lvl character
DD, Graviton, classic Drax & Nimrod are comfortly above low Herald.
Now on to the actual question, Doom's shield has held against far superior attacks than JoH is capable of producing. Doom has feats vs tp that any character would love to have. Now Air Walker & Frankie are much harder fights but honestly unless you only take their high showings into account they would find a good find a Good fight with Doom.
So yes Low Herald is where Doom belongs.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderSo you're putting a guy above Doom purely because he reignited a star? Mind naming some people Jack beat?
@BraylorThe above scans of Jack shows what a True Herald is capable of; Doom isnt remotely on that level...
Doom lacks the raw power Jack possesses...he lacks the raw power Drax possesses...he lacks the raw power Graviton possesses...get it?
Yes, Doom has some nice combat feats and is versatile, but True Low Heralds have more than that; they have tons of raw power...
Doom doesnt have this; his overall power level is in the ballpark of that of a High Meta...
Just accept it and move on...
Edit: and yes, I know alot about Doom and I know he lacks the power of a True Low Herald which you appear to be blind to!
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Because how could killing a Watcher and taking attacks from an abstract compare to star igniting?
