Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, obviously this was Obi-Wan at his (then) 100%. But I would think that Maul would pretty much always be running at peak efficiency due to the nature of his training.

Nah Sith also have their peak performances. For Maul it would be against Sidious after Savage died.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Vader didn't lose the whole of his limbs, only the parts under his elbows/knees. If it didn't hinder Maul that much, it shouldn't have hindered Vader either. And then there's Grevious.

Vader was carrying that huge chunk of machinery which Maul didn't have to. It was basically down to Vader needing life support. Grievous was all manchine. He wasn't carrying machine on top of his regular body. There wasn't much left at all of his body.

Originally posted by Robtard
GTFO with your non film nonsense. That's also different skilled chars compared to EP1 Maul and Ep3 Obi, son.

LOL TCW is canon to the films. Created by Lucas himself. In fact TCW Movie was a movie. It's like if we're talking Star Trek films, it would be perfectly legitimate to bring up Star Trek episodes as it's all a shared universe. Same with using Lady Sif feats from Agents of SHIELD.

The OP hasn't stated this is Episode 1 Maul. And even if he did, as Pschotron has noted TCW Maul was probably actually hindered by his cybernetic parts, not to mention he was out of training for 10+ years. So EPI Maul is not likely to be drastically less powerful than TCW Maul. Besides you want to compare characters in their prime don't you? Or just the heroes in their prime to make them win more easily Lol.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah Sith also have their peak performances. For Maul it would be against Sidious after Savage died.

Vader was carrying that huge chunk of machinery which Maul didn't have to. It was basically down to Vader needing life support. Grievous was all manchine. He wasn't carrying machine on top of his regular body. There wasn't much left at all of his body.

LOL TCW is canon to the films. Created by Lucas himself. In fact TCW Movie was a movie. It's like if we're talking Star Trek films, it would be perfectly legitimate to bring up Star Trek episodes as it's all a shared universe. Same with using Lady Sif feats from Agents of SHIELD.

The OP hasn't stated this is Episode 1 Maul. And even if he did, as Pschotron has noted TCW Maul was probably actually hindered by his cybernetic parts, not to mention he was out of training for 10+ years. So EPI Maul is not likely to be drastically less powerful than TCW Maul. Besides you want to compare characters in their prime don't you? Or just the heroes in their prime to make them win more easily Lol.

True, but the nature of their philosophy forces them to push themselves more than the Jedi do. Especially since PT era Jedi had gotten complacent and arrogant.

I don't think he was carrying that much to be honest. The prosthetics and the life support are probably lighter than an entire lower body.

Vader was haulin plenty of weight. In fact I believe Sidious made his cybernetics intentionally heavy and bulky. So much in fact that he had trouble moving and was stiff for a long time.

Vader was burdened by bulky machinery. Maul was not.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Vader was burdened by bulky machinery. Maul was not.

Yeah, he only had 50% of his body replaced.

Originally posted by KingD19
Vader was haulin plenty of weight. In fact I believe Sidious made his cybernetics intentionally heavy and bulky. So much in fact that he had trouble moving and was stiff for a long time.

And why would Sidious do that?

Anakin is Maul superior is virtually every way... Just how it is.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Anakin is Maul superior is virtually every way... Just how it is.

Anakin at the point he defeated Dooku would stomp Maul for sure. But take Anakin on an average day and he won't that much above Maul. And certainly won't have greater force powers to him.

I know you like Maul DP and that's cool.. you know how I feel about Mace and Kenobi... I would concede that an average portrayal of Anakin means that Maul would be about equal in force powers. He could be his slight superior. That is pretty much it though... it would be enough to make it a good fight but it's Anakin fight to lose.. and I think you agree with that.

Anakin stomps.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know you like Maul DP and that's cool.. you know how I feel about Mace and Kenobi... I would concede that an average portrayal of Anakin means that Maul would be about equal in force powers. He could be his slight superior. That is pretty much it though... it would be enough to make it a good fight but it's Anakin fight to lose.. and I think you agree with that.

Even a Saber fight there wouldn't be much difference if we take Anakin on an average day. He's pretty much Kenobi's equal but stronger. Kenobi seems to have the edge in Sabers over Maul, but again Maul is stronger.

Yes I agree Aankin would win, but on an average day Maul would give him a hell of a fight Imho. I mean whose stomped Maul? Sidious, and that's it. Maul's taken down Opress with much more ease than Kenobi did. And Opress himself has taken down Ventress with greater ease than Kenobi ever did, plus he's given Dooku a much better fight than Kenobi ever could.

So given all that, yes I agree Anakin would win, but I see no reason to think it won't be a close fight. As long as we're talking about Anakin on a normal day. If we're talking about Anakin at the point he defeated Dooku, then he'd stomp Maul.

Maul's like Boba Fett, looks cool, sounds cool and popular cos of the 'bad boy' status, but really he just a chump who gets his ass kicked.

Originally posted by Psychotron

And why would Sidious do that?

Strategy.

His apprentice had the potential to vastly surpass his level of power. Obi-Wan put and end to that. To further cement his power and keep Vader under control was to make his cybernetics unwieldy. Sidious ruled the galaxy and there were faroee efficient replacement body parts.

Is Vader having unweildly life-support gear on purpose canon or are you guessing?

I have wondered that too, considering how agile Greivous's robtocis were. But that was also done after the fact.

I believe it's canon but I'd have to search a bit to be sure. Like ou said, Grievous was a monster and even Anakon's replacement hand from his fight with Dooku was far more easily installed. He even seemed to forgo anesthetics during the surgery.

It's canon in the EU, iirc. Palpatine purposefully instilled a couple "leashes" into Vader to keep him loyal and nonthreatening to his rule, two of those leashes being sub-optimal bionics to slow him down, and low self-esteem (lol) so that he doesn't become too powerful in the force.

It's noted that a lot of Vader's reduction in power post-Mustafaar is psychological, rather than physical.

Part of the issue has always been mental with Anakin.. thing is though.. he count went WAY down after he was dismembered. That is the main reason why his powers could and would never be the same again. His count went down.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It's canon in the EU, iirc. Palpatine purposefully instilled a couple "leashes" into Vader to keep him loyal and nonthreatening to his rule, two of those leashes being sub-optimal bionics to slow him down, and low self-esteem (lol) so that he doesn't become too powerful in the force.

It's noted that a lot of Vader's reduction in power post-Mustafaar is psychological, rather than physical.

But it's not hard to imagine going through a massive mind**** if your penis was burnt off.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It's canon in the EU, iirc. Palpatine purposefully instilled a couple "leashes" into Vader to keep him loyal and nonthreatening to his rule, two of those leashes being sub-optimal bionics to slow him down, and low self-esteem (lol) so that he doesn't become too powerful in the force.

It's noted that a lot of Vader's reduction in power post-Mustafaar is psychological, rather than physical.

Sidious and Anakin have an abusive spouse relationship. Star Wars is an exaggerated metaphor for overcoming domestic abuse.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sidious and Anakin have an abusive spouse relationship. Star Wars is an exaggerated metaphor for overcoming domestic abuse.

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Originally posted by Tzeentch
It's canon in the EU, iirc. Palpatine purposefully instilled a couple "leashes" into Vader to keep him loyal and nonthreatening to his rule, two of those leashes being sub-optimal bionics to slow him down, and low self-esteem (lol) so that he doesn't become too powerful in the force.

It's noted that a lot of Vader's reduction in power post-Mustafaar is psychological, rather than physical.

Yeah, but isn't it the philosophy of the Sith that the apprentice must kill the master and take his place?