Bills (DBZBOTG) & Asura vs. Thanos & Darkseid

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
>If DBZ is constantly low ended
>That's when the Z Fighters focus their energy into speed to have reflexes and dodges that make their travelling speed look pretty insignificant.
>Reflexes were FTL for a long time in DBZ, actually being Faster than Light happened somewhere in the Majin saga.

Uh what? I was referring to Thor

I never actually said otherwise. The notion of moving but not reacting fast is just retarded to begin with. Basically the same shit Moses and his MovieCodec retard gang as well as the ancient Phenom Brigade spout(ed) off

No, DBZ is not FTL, unless you take the Goku outrunning a solar flare feat as anything more than just a silly outlier

Thor fighting the Hulk is not a low-end feat for him since it's happened 10s of times. How many comic books have you read in your life? Stop going purely by respect threads and what other people keep telling you.

We don't go with statistical means, at all

Higher end showings are generally regarded to be an accurate portrayal of a characters abilities as low ends will always outnumber the high ends for any medium (funny that, since DragonBall has it's fair share of huge low ends)

As for the whole "going solely by respect threads" you sound like a bit of an elitist chump. Hard to take such talk seriously when you just regurgitate the same shit MovieCodec do when it comes to comic vs DBZ 'arguments' and in terms of calcs

Dragon Ball characters are massively faster than light unless you want to claim that fcking Roshi's blast didn't reach the moon in a few seconds in which case I'd call you a blind fanboy

Roshi's attack is regarded as anything but an outlier? Interesting

Also a few seconds would be like, low-mid relativistic

Final form Frieza is literally trillions of times more powerful than Roshi in every regard

Good for him. Does he want a medal?

I know I'm right since I can use my own common sense and conclude that Roshi and Piccolo's blasts didn't take more than 10 seconds to reach the moon; you can stay as the OBD sheep on KMC

You seem upset

Also that travelling around the Earth's diameter (or did you, perhaps mean circumference?) would be sub relativistic. Nowhere near lightspeed

Thanos wins

Originally posted by galactusischere
I don't understand how anyone can claim otherwise. We have people like Roshi throwing a blast at the moon and destroying it. There was no timeframe, but how long do you think it took? 1 second? 2 seconds? 3 seconds? 5 seconds? 10 seconds? 20 seconds? 100 seconds? 1000 seconds? So assuming 1000 seconds (when it clearly wasn't more than 5 seconds), Dragon Ball characters in very early Dragon Ball had reactions at 1/1000th the speed of light. So are you going to tell me that, say, Saiyan Saga Vegeta, wasn't 1000 times faster than child Goku?

Originally posted by TheTyrant

That Kamehameha traveled twice the earth's radius in less than the instant that it takes for IT to teleport from one place to another. Common argument I've encountered against that is 'lolactivation time' when no such thing has ever been mentioned. You don't need a timeframe for that since you know it can travel light years in an instant since it's basically teleportation.

Bills and Whis also flew from one side of the universe to King Kai's planet in 15 or so minutes, but I believe that was already mentioned.

And in regards to Galactus' blast it's in one of the tie-in issues to Imperative. I'll try to find it for you but it's been a while. It's in the Galactus respect thread though.

If anything it looks like the blast is leaving the atmosphere. If the highest point from the ground to the top of the atmosphere is 62 miles, even if that blast was 10 or even 100x higher it still wouldn't be close to light speed.

Bills and Whis probably teleported to King Kai's planet. You can't fly there from the normal universe because it isn't even the same dimension.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I'm no Fanboy but I do recall this one scene. Final form Frieza shoots a death Beam at Gohan, no one even saw it or followed it with their chi sensing. All these characters a hyper sonic speed, and couldn't follow this attack. Vegeta Out speeds it flying and knocks Gohan out of the way. This is Namek Saga and if Vegeta is outrunning energy attacks that are many times faster then energy attacks that reach the moon in about a second (or almost instantly in Piccolo's case) that would put him way in front of light speed by Majin Saga.

However... you may proceed with the no it doesn't respond.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Higher end showings are generally regarded to be an accurate portrayal of a characters abilities as low ends will always outnumber the high ends for any medium (funny that, since DragonBall has it's fair share of huge low ends)

As for the whole "going solely by respect threads" you sound like a bit of an elitist chump. Hard to take such talk seriously when you just regurgitate the same shit MovieCodec do when it comes to comic vs DBZ 'arguments' and in terms of calcs

Not really. I'm just telling you that in the actual comics you don't see characters do the insane shit they do in the respect threads. The respect threads for these mainstream heroes like Thor and Superman are filled with nit-picked feats that occur like once every 10 years.

Roshi's attack is regarded as anything but an outlier? Interesting

Also a few seconds would be like, low-mid relativistic

Low-mid relativistic before the trillion power-ups that they got doesn't make them at least ligh speed at the end of Z? Really? So you're telling me that Buu was like only 100 or so times slower than Buu??

Good for him. Does he want a medal?

Also that travelling around the Earth's diameter (or did you, perhaps mean circumference?) would be sub relativistic. Nowhere near lightspeed

No, I said twice the diameter. Look at the scans I posted.

It happened within the duration of the teleportation which we've already seen cover light years in an instant.

Originally posted by ZebusKing

Twice the Earth's radius? Where are you getting this from? You're making assumptions based on absolutely nothing.

If anything it looks like the blast is leaving the atmosphere. If the highest point from the ground to the top of the atmosphere is 62 miles,

even if that blast was 10 or even 100x higher it still wouldn't be close to light speed.

You're like using a one second timeframe or something which is plain retarded since these guys could have short fights in 0.2 seconds even at the 21st Budokai.

Bills and Whis probably teleported to King Kai's planet. You can't fly there from the normal universe because it isn't even the same dimension.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

No, DBZ is not FTL, unless you take the Goku outrunning a solar flare feat as anything more than just a silly outlier

Goku has proven to be faster then light with instant transmission. Hence the term "Instant"

Originally posted by TheTyrant
How does that make sense? A high showing for Wolverine against Thor would be a low showing for Thor. A high showing for Thor against Galactus would be a low showing for Galactus (and you tried to pull this off in the other thread). So do we just pick and choose based on what works for us? Please explain this to me.

I'm well aware of outliers chuckles

That's how debating and analysing fiction works. You don't take every tiny showing and then go with the mean. What you do is take the higher end showings on a character, snip out obvious outliers and make sure it wasn't some kind of non standard power up

That's how most debating sites tend to operate

To take this logic in DBZ. DBZ characters have planet busted and this is accepted by every debating forum I'm aware of. How many times have they destroyed planets? About 3, 4 times I can recall offhand. Every other fight they've destroyed mountains and islands and caused earthquakes. And yet the planet busting feats are consistent and repeated so yeah.

If we were to use your method, DBZ character would only be island busters at best and planet busting feats would be outliers

The point being. High end showings tend to define a character's abilities in vs threads

Not really. I'm just telling you that in the actual comics you don't see characters do the insane shit they do in the respect threads. The respect threads for these mainstream heroes like Thor and Superman are filled with nit-picked feats that occur like once every 10 years.

>I don't like it so it doesn't count
>appeal to statistical mean

Low-mid relativistic before the trillion power-ups that they got doesn't make them at least ligh speed at the end of Z? Really? So you're telling me that Buu was like only 100 or so times slower than Buu??

Nice non sequiter you have there. Unless you can quantify said difference, it's as much of an "argument" as the whole Cell was able to beat Gohan, SSJ2 Gohan beat up Cell so Gohan is FTL so there" shit

In other words, saying "moar powahful than x who was relativistic" doesn't qualify for a higher classification of speed without, yes you guessed it, feats

No, I said twice the diameter. Look at the scans I posted.

Still high end sub relativistic

It happened within the duration of the teleportation which we've already seen cover light years in an instant.

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Teleportation=/=movement speed

Derp

Originally posted by TheTyrant

No, I said twice the diameter. Look at the scans I posted.

It happened within the duration of the teleportation which we've already seen cover light years in an instant.

I'm looking at the scan I posted for you. Are you unable to look at a picture or something?

Are you fcking serious? The beam is clearly leaving everything on the planet and going more than twice the radius. It's right in the damn scan. If that looks like 62 miles to you then you need help fam.

That blast went that high within the duration of the teleportation. Goku teleported when it was fired at him and before he could reappear behind cell the next instant, the blast had already traveled that far.

You're like using a one second timeframe or something which is plain retarded since these guys could have short fights in 0.2 seconds even at the 21st Budokai.

No, they were moving and we saw them move instead of teleport. Watch the movie.

That Kamehameha traveled twice the earth's radius in less than the instant that it takes for IT

Even if you want to use diameter and double or even triple it, it's still no where near light speed.

Instant transmission time has always varied. In the anime it usually takes a few seconds. There isn't anyway to tell how long it takes in the manga since no time frame is ever given. It's able to cover light years in a short time because it's teleportation.

I watched the movie, it said it would take them 26 minutes to get to King Kai's planet but never said how far it was.

TBH You have a pretty bad track record in this thread and aren't in any position to talk. Your Thanos wankery from a few pages ago was a bust, then you brought up some nonsense about Galactus destroying a galaxy in Annihilation without any proof.

Now you're stumbling over your own argument on DBZ, about your previous post, about Whis and Bills flying to Kai's planet, and pretending like Instant transmission is actually instant when it clearly takes time, even if it's a second or a few seconds to go from point A to point B.

Dragon Ball characters were moving around at fraction of a second speeds early on, I get that, but isn't relevant to a technique that has little to do with physical ability.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Teleportation=/=movement speed

Instant Transmission was not a teleport, it was a speed at which he could move, he also could use it in combat.

Duh 😆

It's not movement. It's teleportation.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Instant Transmission was not a teleport, it was a speed at which he could move, he also could use it in combat.

Duh 😆

Originally posted by ZebusKing
Then how does Goku go to King Kai's planet in afterlife?

Goku seems to bend the rules when he wants with Instant transmission. He can leave Kai's planet when he's dead and go to it when he's alive.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Goku seems to bend the rules when he wants with Instant transmission. He can leave Kai's planet when he's dead and go to it when he's alive.

Ok well its faster then light and if you watch how he uses it in the brolly movie you will see its not an instant teleport it takes a little time for him to complete the movement, the statement was no one in DBZ is faster then light. This move is faster the light.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok well its faster then light and if you watch how he uses it in the brolly movie you will see its not an instant teleport it takes a little time for him to complete the movement, the statement was no one in DBZ is faster then light. This move is faster the light.

Instant transmission is dematerializing and than materializing somewhere else.

If you want to say you can go places faster than you would if you were simply flying at the speed of light, then sure, you can have that, but isn't relevant here.

So then whats it called when they are flying their asses off away from people like Freeza or Cell and then they just appear right in front of them out of thin air? This happens hundreds of times where they are so far away from a person and then someone materializes right in front of them, none of which is instant transmission. I also remember Goku doing faster then light movements in Dragon Ball way before instant transmission.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So then whats it called when they are flying their asses off away from people like Freeza or Cell and then they just appear right in front of them out of thin air? This happens hundreds of times where they are so far away from a person and then someone materializes right in front of them, none of which is instant transmission. I also remember Goku doing faster then light movements in Dragon Ball way before instant transmission.

Cell learned Instant Transmission after he blew himself up and that's how he went back to Earth from the Afterlife

Goku never moved faster than light in Dragon Ball and I'm challenging you right now to find a single shred of proof.

Originally posted by ZebusKing

Goku never moved faster than light in Dragon Ball and I'm challenging you right now to find a single shred of proof.

Cool down princess, its an observation.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Cool down princess, its an observation.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

I'm well aware of outliers chuckles

That's how debating and analysing fiction works. You don't take every tiny showing and then go with the mean. What you do is take the higher end showings on a character, snip out obvious outliers and make sure it wasn't some kind of non standard power up

If we were to use your method, DBZ character would only be island busters at best and planet busting feats would be outliers

The That's how most debating sites tend to operate

To take this logic in DBZ. DBZ characters have planet busted and this is accepted by every debating forum I'm aware of. How many times have they destroyed planets? About 3, 4 times I can recall offhand. Every other fight they've destroyed mountains and islands and caused earthquakes. And yet the planet busting feats are consistent and repeated so yeah.
point being. High end showings tend to define a character's abilities in vs threads

That's different. We know for certain that characters past a certain point are capable of planet busting because of them getting substantially more powerful every few chapters due to the various power-ups and boosts. Frieza survived the explosion of a planet, yet was cut by Trunks' swords which in turn shattered on Android 18's skin. Therefore, we can use clear-as-day powerscaling to say that they had so and so durability and so and so destructive capacity. It's a linear manga while characters like Thor and Superman have had the great majority of their writers portray them as not being ftl or capable of snuffing out a planet.

>I don't like it so it doesn't count
>appeal to statistical mean

Nice non sequiter you have there. Unless you can quantify said difference, it's as much of an "argument" as the whole Cell was able to beat Gohan, SSJ2 Gohan beat up Cell so Gohan is FTL so there" shit

In other words, saying "moar powahful than x who was relativistic" doesn't qualify for a higher classification of speed without, yes you guessed it, feats

So you're basically saying that more powerful DBZ characters weren't necessarily faster as well? So Roshi's Kamehameha that destroyed the moon could tag, say, Buuhan?

Still high end sub relativistic.

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Teleportation=/=movement speed

Derp