Actually I've only seen about 5 episodes of Star Trek in my life (granted they were the best ones, like, pardon the pun, "Best of Both Worlds"😉, but I know when something is trying to be intellectual and when it's trying to be mindless stupidity, and a large appeal of ST is it's scientific accuracy; to do away with that with bullshit about galaxy-destroying supernovae just means they don't give a phuck about the franchise and just want to sell tickets to the lowest common denominator.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The new Star Trek films weren't mindless and shitty. People dislike them because they are different from the original Star Trek movies. All my friends, who never saw the original Star Trek, absolutely loved the new films.The new Star Trek doesn't devote shitloads of dialogue to put emphasis on intellectual themes. Intellectual themes are still there, just more subtle. The reboots are perfect for todays culture.
While it's not completely devoid of intellectual themes, and it does have a lot of good suspense and emotion, it lacks the..."scientific focus" of the other series. TOS and TNG were supposed to be a realistic (fantastical of course, but believable), optimistic look at humanity's future and the technology and landscapes the universe has in store. These new films are just quick popcorn suspense films, like an action movie that just happens to be set in the future. They don't seem interested in showing the audience a possible future, just exciting them with suspense, and while there's absolutely nothing wrong with just wanting to excite the audience, it just rings hollow and superficial considering the source material, with a goal leaning more towards gaining audience's cash rather than showing them a possible bright future, which is arguably the thing that made the series so popular in the first place.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I presume you have never heard of something known as trolling the troll?In which case you should check out his debates against the Zelda fandom. I can't think of a better example of the complete opposite of what you're saying in this post.
That's not how most everyone comes across. Everyone comes across as borderline ragey when falling for Quanchi's mind games...not the "troll the troll" like you claim, which is what I do and do well.
Bottom-line, if you and others weren't falling for his supposed trolling, you would simply not respond. No matter how you try to spin your falling for his game, you are still fell for his game.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The dude I quoted? He lied?And that, ladies and gents, is what gullible is. 😮
The point still stands though.
No, I didn't lie. I was being honest.
Originally posted by Lestov16
While it's not completely devoid of intellectual themes, and it does have a lot of good suspense and emotion, it lacks the..."scientific focus" of the other series. TOS and TNG were supposed to be a realistic (fantastical of course, but believable), optimistic look at humanity's future and the technology and landscapes the universe has in store. These new films are just quick popcorn suspense films, like an action movie that just happens to be set in the future. They don't seem interested in showing the audience a possible future, just exciting them with suspense, and while there's absolutely nothing wrong with just wanting to excite the audience, it just rings hollow and superficial considering the source material, with a goal leaning more towards gaining audience's cash rather than showing them a possible bright future, which is arguably the thing that made the series so popular in the first place.
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They sent the masterpiece that was the original Start Trek. I still consider them good popcorn movies
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not how most everyone comes across. Everyone comes across as borderline ragey when falling for Quanchi's mind games...not the "troll the troll" like you claim, which is what I do and do well.Bottom-line, if you and others weren't falling for his supposed trolling, you would simply not respond. No matter how you try to spin your falling for his game, you are still fell for his game.
This is what you're telling them:
"When I respond to troll a troll, it's okay. When you do it, it's a fail."
Don't you thik that comes off as a bit pompous and assholeish? Granted, I suspect you're just trolling here.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No matter how you try to spin your falling for his game, you are still fell for his game.
Nobody feels guilty that we are making Quan happy by mocking him, because wanting to be mocked is pitiful goal, and one that in and of itself should be mocked. I'll insult Quan with no qualms whatsoever. If he wants to be a masochist, I have no trouble giving him pain.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
thank you, stranger from the internet with no evidence to back up his assertion.
Who the phuck invited you to this conversation? I'll humor your pathetic desire to sound intelligent.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek
The reboot was well received
And the part where I point to meticulous fans of the original Start Trek is a conclusion of SUBJECTIVE analysis. Which means it's my opinion. I'm sorry I didn't realize this was a professional debate forum where I have to post evidence to support all my opinions.
Go **** yourself
Originally posted by Robtard
This is what you're telling them:"When I respond to troll a troll, it's okay. When you do it, it's a fail."
It was explained in my post, already:
"Everyone comes across as borderline ragey when falling for Quanchi's mind games...not the "troll the troll" like you claim..."
It's pretty clear he's getting the best of almost all of you.
And when I troll trolls, it is not the same as what Epicurius' is talking about. For Quanchi's game, "beating" him in an argument is definitely not how you "troll the troll." That's how you lose.
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't you think that comes off as a bit pompous and assholeish? Granted, I suspect you're just trolling here.
That's an odd thing to say when I'm:
1. Arrogant.
2. An asshole.
🙂
Sometimes, I'm even a douchebag. 😱
Originally posted by Lestov16
...wanting to be mocked is pitiful goal...
Hint: that's not his goal.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Who the phuck invited you to this conversation? I'll humor your pathetic desire to sound intelligent.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek
The reboot was well receivedAnd the part where I point to meticulous fans of the original Start Trek is a conclusion of SUBJECTIVE analysis. Which means it's my opinion. I'm sorry I didn't realize this was a professional debate forum where I have to post evidence to support all my opinions.
Go **** yourself
Dude...he trolled you and you fell for it. 🙁
By the way, I retract what I said about Firefly: I broke down and watched it on Netflix all the way through. I also watched Serenity afterwards. It was pretty good. Also, I didn't like it that Wash died. 🙁
Originally posted by dadudemon
It was explained in my post, already:"Everyone comes across as borderline ragey when falling for Quanchi's mind games...not the "troll the troll" like you claim..."
It's pretty clear he's getting the best of almost all of you.
And when I troll trolls, it is not the same as what Epicurius' is talking about. For Quanchi's game, "beating" him in an argument is definitely not how you "troll the troll." That's how you lose.
That's an odd thing to say when I'm:
1. Arrogant.
2. An asshole.🙂
Sometimes, I'm even a douchebag. 😱
I think it's pretty clear he fails a lot of the time at Trolling's #1 rule. "Don't be the one to get mad/upset/frustrated", which is what he tries to instill in others with his antics.
Just have to agree to disagree I guess. As it's circular and the subject matter at hand is dull to beging with.
Originally posted by Robtard
I think it's pretty clear he fails a lot of the time at Trolling's #1 rule. "Don't be the one to get mad/upset/frustrated", which is what he tries to instill in others with his antics.Just have to agree to disagree I guess. As it's circular and the subject matter at hand is dull to beging with.
Well, I think I'm a broken record, at this point. I've said, now, for 2 years that the best way to handle Quanchi is not respond. Sure, that's the classic way to handle a troll but none of you can resist him.
Sometimes, I don't think any parties are trolling and you all genuinely are getting worked up over the topics.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude...he trolled you and you fell for it. 🙁
I roast trolls for breakfast
Originally posted by dadudemon
By the way, I retract what I said about Firefly: I broke down and watched it on Netflix all the way through. I also watched Serenity afterwards. It was pretty good. Also, I didn't like it that Wash died. 🙁
Me neither. Aside from captain, wash was my favorite. Joss Whedon has a knack for building up characters, and then killing them. Sad, but effective.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Who the phuck invited you to this conversation? I'll humor your pathetic desire to sound intelligent.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek
The reboot was well received
there is no reason to become upset and lash out at someone for pointing out the simple fact that you were asserting your wishful and evidence-free pseudo-statistic as fact
Originally posted by Firefly218
And the part where I point to meticulous fans of the original Start Trek is a conclusion of SUBJECTIVE analysis. Which means it's my opinion. I'm sorry I didn't realize this was a professional debate forum where I have to post evidence to support all my opinions.
no, nobody is getting paid to debate stuff here. however as with most human interactions, there is a general unspoken agreement to utilize logic, reason, and evidence when making a point. instead of becoming unhinged with infantile rage.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Go **** yourself
oh my. does someone need some butthurt cream? 🙂
Originally posted by focus4chumps
there is no reason to become upset and lash out at someone for pointing out the simple fact that you were asserting your wishful and evidence-free pseudo-statistic as factno, nobody is getting paid to debate stuff here. however as with most human interactions, there is a general unspoken agreement to utilize logic, reason, and evidence when making a point. instead of becoming unhinged with infantile rage.
oh my. does someone need some butthurt cream? 🙂
What statistic did I assert, exactly? I simply claimed that many fans of the original Star Trek movies dislike the reboots. That's a generalization, not a fact.
WTF do you mean unspoken agreement? Here on kmc is considered casual human interaction, not formal. Nobody here gets docked for not formally outlining evidence with credible citations to corroborate their point.
I've already wasted enough time replying to your stupidity. BTW, you can keep the butthurt cream. You'll need it with the massive butt rapings you routinely receive.