Originally posted by Time ImmemorialLol, the Hammer built up speed along the way, Champ. It didn't go from 0-megaspeed instantly.
Faster then weak ass blaster bolt, the same weapons that slaughter your jedi's pre cog.And yes the hammer is faster
Travels 50 miles in seconds.
Leaves Earth Atmosphere in seconds
Quit ignoring feats troll.
I love it when you call me a troll, it shows that you know I am raping your tight little butthole.
Originally posted by The Spleen
How are we trolling? We most certainly are not saying "the force pwns by default", we are quoting real screen force feats.What it all boils down to is this: Thor and Loki have zero feats that prove they can and would resist Force Telekinesis. Until you can quote a scene where Thor and Loki resisted Telekinesis, the Jedi win.
Really? The environmental and physical things that have happened to both Loki and Thor completely SHIT with a capital SHIT all over anyone in sw movie uni has ever went through.
The extremes for each argument have become ridiculous.
Originally posted by meep-meepBe that as it may, neither showed TK resistance. TK>>>>Asgardians.
Really? The environmental and physical things that have happened to both Loki and Thor completely SHIT with a capital SHIT all over anyone in sw movie uni has ever went through.The extremes for each argument have become ridiculous.
Originally posted by The Spleen
Be that as it may, neither showed TK resistance. TK>>>>Asgardians.
TK is basically just physically moving stuff around with your mind, and both Thor and Loki have shown plenty resistance to being physically moved around. What you don't have is feats of the Jedi's easily pushing/moving around beings as strong as Thor or Loki with their TK. Even Jedi masters like Yoda need a lot of time and concentration to move heavy objects or object that are difficult to move.
Originally posted by FrothByteFail, Dooku is shown lifting Obi Wan like he was a rag doll, and there is no proof Thor weighs like a gazillion pounds. Unless you are implying that brute strength>>>TK?
TK is basically just physically moving stuff around with your mind, and both Thor and Loki have shown plenty resistance to being physically moved around. What you don't have is feats of the Jedi's easily pushing/moving around beings as strong as Thor or Loki with their TK. Even Jedi masters like Yoda need a lot of time and concentration to move heavy objects or object that are difficult to move.
Originally posted by The Spleen
Fail, Dooku is shown lifting Obi Wan like he was a rag doll, and there is no proof Thor weighs like a gazillion pounds. Unless you are implying that brute strength>>>TK?
Sufficient strength and power have often overcome telekinesis.
Obi-Wan or any other Jedi from the movie would probably destroy a blood vessel trying to use the force to overpower guys like Thor, Hulk etc.
I doubt any of them are strong enough to toss around Loki. .
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAfraid I'll need proof of TK being overcome by brute strength. Jedi TK, mind you.Post a scene where someone, anyone, has overcome Jedi TK with brute strength.
I am.Sufficient strength and power have often overcome telekinesis.
Obi-Wan or any other Jedi from the movie would probably destroy a blood vessel trying to use the force to overpower guys like Thor, Hulk etc.
I doubt any of them are strong enough to toss around Loki.
Originally posted by The Spleen
Afraid I'll need proof of TK being overcome by brute strength. Jedi TK, mind you.Post a scene where someone, anyone, has overcome Jedi TK with brute strength.
Uh, every time the Jedi have to strain to try and overcome the weight or force of something?
Telekinesis may be invisible but it does not magically overcome any obstacle. If even the strongest movie Jedi's like Yoda, Doku, Sidious etc. barely lift weight that a regular Asgardian could juggle, you are going to need some strong feats to suggest that they can overpower, much less toss around anyone in this thread.
Though the scene from the Dark World where Thor walks through the Aether power up is closest to what you are looking for.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uh, every time the Jedi have to strain to try and overcome the weight or force of something?Telekinesis may be invisible but it does not magically overcome any obstacle. If even the strongest movie Jedi's like Yoda, Doku, Sidious etc. barely lift weight that a regular Asgardian could juggle, you are going to need some strong feats to suggest that they can overpower, much less toss around anyone in this thread.
Though the scene from the Dark World where Thor walks through the Aether power up is closest to what you are looking for.
Aether>Force
Asgardians win
Originally posted by The Spleen
Afraid I'll need proof of TK being overcome by brute strength. Jedi TK, mind you.Post a scene where someone, anyone, has overcome Jedi TK with brute strength.
Afraid I'll need proof of TK overcoming someone with superhuman strength. Asgardian level superhuman strength, mind you. Post a scene where a jedi, any jedi has overcome someone with superhuman strength with TK.
Heck, if it was that easy then jedi's would just levitate each other off the ground all the time. Throw around droids and stormtroopers every which way and not bother with lightsabers. But the fact that they barely use it and only use it in short bursts show that it has it's limitations.
Originally posted by The Spleen
Fail, Dooku is shown lifting Obi Wan like he was a rag doll, and there is no proof Thor weighs like a gazillion pounds. Unless you are implying that brute strength>>>TK?
Captain America throwing/kicking people around like a rag doll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqpnjf3NKDo
Cap Vs Loki. Loki is barely affected by Cap's attacks. And Loki isn't even comparable to Thor in terms of strength.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6j0VdQkJPo
Originally posted by NemeBro
You mean that time when Palpatine very slowly killed three very slow Jedi masters and proceeded to very slowly fight Mace Windu?I mean, there's a meta reason for why that fight was so bad, but it's still not a good example.
Palpatine and Windu were fighting so fast that to a ****er like Anakin, they could barely be seen at all, faint afterimages. Why would Palpatine go any slower against the Jedis when there's no indicator they were holding back at all?
You also ignore that far more Jedi have been killed by Stormtroopers than there have been instances of massively hypersonic Jedi.But go on. Continue thinking they're that fast on average (Or even at all, based on what I've seen). It's funny.
Normally in large groups or in situations where they had no leeway (like say in a starship in narrow areas like Plo Koon
Even then, may I ask what exactly makes SW-verse low ends any different than any other series low ends that just get scoffed at and ignored?
Or why Star Wars is exempted to the whole "positive feedback" style thats applied to various universes?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Palpatine and Windu were fighting so fast that to a ****er like Anakin, they could barely be seen at all, faint afterimages. Why would Palpatine go any slower against the Jedis when there's no indicator they were holding back at all?
Ah I see, you were referring to the novelization. I was referring to the live-action version, which of course looked horrible because Lucas, in his infinite wisdom, wanted McDiarmid to do his own stunts in the fight. Fair enough.
Normally in large groups or in situations where they had no leeway (like say in a starship in narrow areas like Plo Koon
Or Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was unceremoniously shot to death by a dozen or more Clone Troopers, despite facing them with saber drawn.
If he was a tenth as fast as you say Obi is that wouldn't have happened.
Even then, may I ask what exactly makes SW-verse low ends any different than any other series low ends that just get scoffed at and ignored?
"Low-ends" lol. Fett nearly beating Darth Vader is a low end. Jango Fett (I think, also seeing a pattern here?) killing a dozen Jedi with ****ing snowballs is a low-end. Jango (Seriously, ****ing Mandalorians) getting the better of Obi in hand-to-hand is a low end.
Jedi being killed by blaster fire is a recurring thing that tends to happen. Count Dooku has been captured by ****ing pirates. Some other Mandalorian fought Obi to a stand-still in a saber duel. Atton Rand was part of a special forces unit that specialized in killing Jedi. Etc etc
This is ignoring that some of the feats used to wank these incredible speed figures out of Jedi are so laughably poorly-represented that they are null in void. Obi defended himself against lots and lots of droids... With significant amounts of cover to help him, for example.
****, we have a plot-relevant war that was entirely about non-Force sensitives being such huge badasses they could fight with Jedi and win.
Or why Star Wars is exempted to the whole "positive feedback" style thats applied to various universes?
Positive feedback?
Originally posted by StealthRangerSee, what they are doing is focusing on low end feats and ignoring high end feats.
Palpatine and Windu were fighting so fast that to a ****er like Anakin, they could barely be seen at all, faint afterimages. Why would Palpatine go any slower against the Jedis when there's no indicator they were holding back at all?Normally in large groups or in situations where they had no leeway (like say in a starship in narrow areas like Plo Koon
Even then, may I ask what exactly makes SW-verse low ends any different than any other series low ends that just get scoffed at and ignored?
Or why Star Wars is exempted to the whole "positive feedback" style thats applied to various universes?
Also ignoring that Asgardians have zero resistance to TK.
Their only defense is "THOR STRONG, THOR HAMMER SMASH!!!"
It's like watching a retard trying to hump a doorknob.
Originally posted by The Spleen
See, what they are doing is focusing on low end feats and ignoring high end feats.Also ignoring that Asgardians have zero resistance to TK.
Their only defense is "THOR STRONG, THOR HAMMER SMASH!!!"
It's like watching a retard trying to hump a doorknob.
It's not that we're not considering high end feats, just that we consider feats that are commonly used as the standard fighting feats of jedis instead of taking high-end showings that were used once in a blue moon and assuming that the jedis will always fight like that. But hey if you want to focus on just high end feats (even if they're used very seldom) then it should go both ways and you should also address the fact that:
Thor is also fast enough to block laser fire and Loki is fast enough to catch an arrow without looking. Also, Thor showed he was pretty immune to IM's repulsor blasts. And if lightsabers are nothing more than concentrated laser swords, then it's really questionable just how effective they will be against Thor and Loki.
As for TK vs. Physical strength, you still haven't shown any feats of the jedi using their TK on beings as physically strong as Asgardians.
Plus the defense isn't just "THOR STRONG, THOR HAMMER SMASH!!!" but rather that Thor and Loki are TREMENDOUSLY stronger and more durable than the jedis and that they have ranged attacks more devastating than any the jedis have tried to block with their lightsabers. Oh, and Thor can fly.
Originally posted by The Spleen
See, what they are doing is focusing on low end feats and ignoring high end feats.Also ignoring that Asgardians have zero resistance to TK.
Their only defense is "THOR STRONG, THOR HAMMER SMASH!!!"
It's like watching a retard trying to hump a doorknob.
And all you say is
Precog.
Force speed.
Force choke.
Thor dead.
It's like watching a retard trying to hump a doorknob. 😆
Originally posted by The SpleenYou haven't been able to respond to any of my posts since the second page.
See, what they are doing is focusing on low end feats and ignoring high end feats.Also ignoring that Asgardians have zero resistance to TK.
Their only defense is "THOR STRONG, THOR HAMMER SMASH!!!"
It's like watching a retard trying to hump a doorknob.
So basically you're a cowardly old man who can only ad hominem people's posts in an attempt to downplay them.
Fact: Jedi in the movies are slower than Thor.
Fact: No Jedi has telekinetically handled something as strong as Thor.
Fact: Any of Thor's attacks probably will one-shot any Jedi.
Fact: Thor wins the majority of encounters with any movieverse Jedi.