I should never have made this thread lol.
Anyway, nothing can be extracted from that Tiin v Windu sparring match. Tiin couldn't break Windu's bladelock, and sparring matches are hardly ever indication of actual skill. All of the Jedi sparred with each other, Tiin may have locked blades with others as well does that make them all equal?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes it is.
How the hell is any of that as good as being 'nigh freaking indestructible'? 😬 You do know what being nigh indestructible means right?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. No one wanted to call out because if he WAS the Emperor's voice, they would be destroyed. However, he wasn't.
Destroyed by him. The Emperor's Voice is a being of immense power. For them to even think there's a possibility of him being the Voice speaks of Baras' amazing power.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tiin is depicted here as fighting as an equal, however.
Proof? Or is that just your opinion? Mace could just be going easy on him to, oh I don't know, train?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean the "pet" that Ragnos nightly beat with his bare hands? I beg to differ.
Why? Ragnos is one of the greatest Sith Lords in history and noted to be incredibly physically strong.
Ragnos would beat Tiin nightly too if he had the chance. 😉
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
C-Canon.
That doesn't make it any less exaggerated.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
👆 he can take Baras to probably.
Lol. He lost to padawan Malgus. 30 years later Malgus was taking orders from Darth Angral, the same Angral Baras one-shot.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Proof?
You serious?
Christ, you really overrate this guy, don't you?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This quote is less impressive then the previous you supplied. Why would I care about what others think of character probably based on hype and folklore.
"Folklore?" This isn't the middle ages. And it isn't just hype. Remember that shes one of the greatest Sith Assassins of all time. So clearly she is incredibly powerful, the fact that many believed her to be so incredibly deadly just illustrates how powerful she was. She casually one-shot a Sith Lord moments after waking from stasis. And yet she didn't give the Wrath as good a fight as Baras did.
Mace was the victor against Quin, Dooku was the victor against Grievous, he was the victor against Mace at least once, etc. A sparring match is where two Jedi fight each other without the intend to kill. It's legit and written off only because people don't like the idea of Saesee being able to challenge duelists of Mace's calibre.
Originally posted by carthage
Its not indicative of anything because Jedi sparred with each other all the time. Prove Tiin is equal with Mace with actual dueling feats, and not one sparring match.Do it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not that it does count, its that it doesn't mean anything. Bane and Zannah sparred, are they lightsaber equals?
Yes they are, as proven by their final fight.
They're sparring, that doesn't prove he's equal with Windu at all. It just means that they're practicing with each other in a practice match.
Its jut a reaffirmation of the point he's a good swordsman (which may or may not be true), not that he is at Windu's level.
Since you suck at comprehension, what relevant dueling feats does Tiin have that prove (aside from the sparring match) that he is at or above Windu's level
Originally posted by carthage
They're sparring, that doesn't prove he's equal with Windu at all. It just means that they're practicing with each other in a practice match.Its jut a reaffirmation of the point he's a good swordsman (which may or may not be true), not that he is at Windu's level.
Since you suck at comprehension, what relevant dueling feats does Tiin have that prove (aside from the sparring match) that he is at or above Windu's level
We've seen that one gets their ass kicked in sparring if their inferior. Mace was casually handling Vos. Kit was Kenobi's better while restraining himself. Mace never had any obvious advantage over Tiin.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol. You were addressing me though, and I didn't claim it.Nope, even Cognus mused she they were even and she had no idea who the victor would be.
Then whats your take on it? Is it impressive at all?
Right, but in the actual fight, Zannah was constantly being nearly overwhelmed and was definitely on the back foot for the entire saber portion.
Spoiler:
This is pretty funny Neph thinks I'm serious, but I'll continue for my amusement.
How the hell is any of that as good as being 'nigh freaking indestructible'? erm You do know what being nigh indestructible means right?
Destroyed by him. The Emperor's Voice is a being of immense power. For them to even think there's a possibility of him being the Voice speaks of Baras' amazing power.
Mace could just be going easy on him to, oh I don't know, train?
That doesn't make it any less exaggerated.
the same Angral Baras one-shot.
"Folklore?" This isn't the middle ages. And it isn't just hype. Remember that shes one of the greatest Sith Assassins of all time. So clearly she is incredibly powerful, the fact that many believed her to be so incredibly deadly just illustrates how powerful she was. She casually one-shot a Sith Lord moments after waking from stasis. And yet she didn't give the Wrath as good a fight as Baras did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then whats your take on it? Is it impressive at all?Right, but in the actual fight, Zannah was constantly being nearly overwhelmed and was definitely on the back foot for the entire saber portion.
Obviously it doesn't prove they're equals. Kenobi was sparring evenly with Anakin, but Anakin was still better. But it does show that he's sufficiently skilled to challenge Mace in what would be a good fight before being overwhelmed.
Zannah was only on the back foot after she tripped. Also Cognus was musing it when she was observing their fight.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Spoiler:
This is pretty funny Neph thinks I'm serious, but I'll continue for my amusement.
Ok. Probably not going to continue after this.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And Malak was said to be nearly unstoppable. However Revan stopped him, like Wrath defeated Baras.
And Star Forge Malak is a beast and with all those Jedi hell yeah he was nearly unstoppable. Which makes it really impressive that Revan did stop him. Revan >>> Tiin just like Baras and the Wrath do.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really. They just don't want to take any chances.
Yeah, Sith are known for being so cautious, especially with someone taking over the Empire and ordering them around. Sith generally just let anyone walk right over them all the time.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I agree with what Intrepid said above ^
Ok.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Proof from a canonical source its exaggerated?
No, I'm not getting into that now.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Once again, video?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I looked further into it, it's from a codex entry which has a limited perspective on history and does not know what will happen next. There, her quote being as "one of the greatest Sith assassins to ever live." only apply to up to that time period. And ironically for you, there were no Sith Assassins until Darth Revan's Sith Empire, then by Sith Triumvirate. So she is the best of the Sith assassins, which were the group of people Kreia casually one-shoted on Malachor V. 👆
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_assassin
Proof that it has a limited view of history? Just because it doesn't talk about future events doesn't mean it isn't party to them. Out of universe writings generally don't talk about anything beyond the time they're focused on.
Yes, I know what a Sith Assassin is. Its not as if the Sith didn't have assassins before Revan. 🙄 Especially when that order of assassins were founded on teachings from the ancient Sith.