Originally posted by JBL
I withdraw my statement about "fans". How about this scenario. Thor and surfer just try and punch it out with hulk and lose, thus team 1 wins. Better scenario to your liking?
An even better scenario would be showing how often and effective your strategy has been utilized against Superman.
Originally posted by JBL
This applies to any character with a deadly weakness, but the subject here is superman. I know what plot induced stupidity is and how to seperate it from a characters showings. If we take a vote on whether or not kyrtonite, red sun radiation or being drained of solar energy would put him down or kill him, he would lose by feats, narration, bios from both fans and writers and characters both heros and foes.
Way to change the subject there.
Nobody said they couldn't be used to harm him.
Originally posted by JBLlol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
So superman is going to protect hulk when he is a target for energy drain also? He's going to protect hulk while surfer quick drains him or thor roast him with a magic light speed hammer? Pairing thor with surfer is a nightmare for hulk and superman.
Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.
Originally posted by h1a8
lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.
1. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer is aimed at superman also.
2. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer can hit or blast intangible objects.
3. Blast does not have to hit him to bring him down, he WILL get hit anyway.
4. Yeah, allow someone who can transmute, create or drain various forms of energy with cosmic awareness to blast you 🙄
5. Same as four but good luck waiting for hulk to find his way out of a black hole a million miles away or on some unknown planet like juggernaut was.
Note: If surfer knows that one ( draining him ) would weaken him and two ( red sun/kytonite ) would take his powers or kill him..... Which do you think he will use? Then there's a hammer loaded with pure power circling around that can do damn near anything surfer can do.
Originally posted by JBLlol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer is aimed at superman also.
2. So can surfer and dont forget a magic hammer can hit or blast intangible objects.
3. Blast does not have to hit him to bring him down, he WILL get hit anyway.
4. Yeah, allow someone who can transmute, create or drain various forms of energy with cosmic awareness to blast you 🙄
5. Same as four but good luck waiting for hulk to find his way out of a black hole a million miles away or on some unknown planet like juggernaut was.Note: If surfer knows that one ( draining him ) would weaken him and two ( red sun/kytonite ) would take his powers or kill him..... Which do you think he will use? Then there's a hammer loaded with pure power circling around that can do damn near anything surfer can do.
Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.
1. surfer doesn't blitz. He's a blaster. If both Thor and Surfer are aimed at Superman then Hulk kills them. Again, Superman is the protector.
2. surfer can go intangible but he can't attack while intangible. mjolnir has no feats of affecting the intangible. I already debunked the vision feat. Plus Superman is too fast for Thor.
3. If Surfer employs those tactics that you are suggesting then Superman employs the tactic of evading getting hit by using speed and intangibility like he has done so many times. Matter of fact, Superman has employed evading attacks more than Surfer has done those tactics. Superman has gotten hit less times than Surfer is not seen doing those tactics.
4. Draining isn't instant. Allowing that blast and Superman easily knocks Surfer for a loop. surfer can't transmute anyone here so why bring that up? Superman's power is based off his will. He can resist red solar radiation enough to hit Surfer under full capacity rules. Unless you are arguing that Superman will never hit Surfer.
5. superman is going to prevent Surfer from black hole blasting Hulk by blitzing him. Thor is never going to bfr hulk. Even if he does then a thunderclap is infinitely faster than Thor can bfr.
finally, you are using fallacies. I told you ways Superman can avoid an attack, yet you are saying Surfer can do it too. How does that defeat the argument that Superman can still avoid the attack?
Originally posted by h1a8Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone or red sun radiation or kytonite not affecting him. I could show a scan of thor going intangable without his hammer.
lol if Surfer goes for the drain then Superman simply avoids it by
1. Blitzing him first
2. Going intangible
3. Evading the blast
4. allowing it but knocking Surfer silly in the process
5. Allowing it so that Hulk can kill him.Note: For 4. or 5. Draining ones energy takes a lot of time. A second to Superman is like forever.
1. surfer doesn't blitz. He's a blaster. If both Thor and Surfer are aimed at Superman then Hulk kills them. Again, Superman is the protector.
2. surfer can go intangible but he can't attack while intangible. mjolnir has no feats of affecting the intangible. I already debunked the vision feat. Plus Superman is too fast for Thor.
3. If Surfer employs those tactics that you are suggesting then Superman employs the tactic of evading getting hit by using speed and intangibility like he has done so many times. Matter of fact, Superman has employed evading attacks more than Surfer has done those tactics. Superman has gotten hit less times than Surfer is not seen doing those tactics.
4. Draining isn't instant. Allowing that blast and Superman easily knocks Surfer for a loop. surfer can't transmute anyone here so why bring that up? Superman's power is based off his will. He can resist red solar radiation enough to hit Surfer under full capacity rules. Unless you are arguing that Superman will never hit Surfer.
5. superman is going to prevent Surfer from black hole blasting Hulk by blitzing him. Thor is never going to bfr hulk. Even if he does then a thunderclap is infinitely faster than Thor can bfr.
finally, you are using fallacies. I told you ways Superman can avoid an attack, yet you are saying Surfer can do it too. How does that defeat the argument that Superman can still avoid the attack?
Originally posted by JBLwhen I get home. Unless abhi can show one. In the meantime it was when two Mongols were shooting blasts at Superman. Superman went intangible while still pursuing to attack them.
Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone or red sun radiation or kytonite not affecting him. I could show a scan of thor going intangable without his hammer.
When Superman fought Prime he fought near and inside a red giant star and not died. He lost power yes but it wasn't instant. And a red giant star has more red solar radiation than Surfer can output.
You can't show Thor going intangible without Mjolnir under his own power because he never has done it. But what does that have to do with him affecting the intangible?
Originally posted by h1a8http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2067907-thor119b.jpg
when I get home. Unless abhi can show one. In the meantime it was when two Mongols were shooting blasts at Superman. Superman went intangible while still pursuing to attack them.When Superman fought Prime he fought near and inside a red giant star and not died. He lost power yes but it wasn't instant. And a red giant star has more red solar radiation than Surfer can output.
You can't show Thor going intangible without Mjolnir under his own power because he never has done it. But what does that have to do with him affecting the intangible?
Its nothing thor has not seen nor defeated before. PIS is not helping supermans case.
Originally posted by JBL
Show me superman going intangible and attacking someone
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or red sun radiation
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or kytonite not affecting him.
Admittedly, he IS affected. But with K-nite, not before he is still able to use his HV, fly, and withstand a nuke (with Metallo).
With red sun radiation and Kryptonite, despite flying THROUGH the red sun, and THROUGH K-nite, he is still able to fly, survive flying through a star, and still survives re-entry into Mogo, plus a HV sucker attack from an unaffected Silve Age SBP.
More intangibility:
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He's invisible, so light is not reflecting off him.
Supergirl can do it too:
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85Nice scans. BUT? I can run quickly through a wall of fire or tear gas and not be affected anywhere near if someone hit me with a flamethrower.
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With red sun radiation and Kryptonite, despite flying THROUGH the red sun, and THROUGH K-nite, he is still able to fly, survive flying through a star, and still survives re-entry into Mogo, plus a HV sucker attack from an unaffected Silve Age SBP.
Originally posted by JBL
Nice scans. BUT? I can run quickly through a wall of fire or tear gas and not be affected anywhere near if someone hit me with a flamethrower.
So if Superman was fast enough, Surfer/Thor's attacks won't hurt him? 😛
Not sure how speed saved him on the K-nite island, when he's surrounded by it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I understand what you are showing, but that will not save him in this fight. Vibrating foes are the last thing surfer or thor would worry about.
More intangibility:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/26196/3068050-5971975877-29921.jpgHe's invisible, so light is not reflecting off him.
Supergirl can do it too:
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