Originally posted by DarkSaint85Superman is not too fast for either of them. There is a difference between being around something and that something being pumped into you. 😛 . lol
So if Superman was fast enough, Surfer/Thor's attacks won't hurt him? 😛Not sure how speed saved him on the K-nite island, when he's surrounded by it?
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.
The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.
Originally posted by carver9[b]
Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed.
Not quite.
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Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.
Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.
In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision....
Originally posted by carver9
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.
All three were weakened by the red sun at the very least. Our Superman was affected by the Kryptonite too.
Originally posted by carver9
They were affected by the Kryptonite and red sun radiation when they flew through it. Superman, old Superman, and Prime was nearly powerless when they hit the planet. Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed. Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.The speed fts are legit though and I think Superman IS faster than Thor and Surfer to a pretty good degree. To the point that he will land the first three hits during this fight on either of them. Anyone denying Superman isn't faster than either of these individuals is crazy. That doesn't give him the win here though.
Flight speed on average would actually go to Thor, and the Surfer. Movement or battle speed goes to Superman. Weakness exploitation is team 2's advantage, but the problem is if they would have enough time to pull that on 2 very fast moving targets. Superman could fast ball special Hulk into Thor, while taking the fight to the Surfer. Up close, I think Superman would have an advantage over the Surfer... not a huge one but one all the same.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/315f4abb20c9eb316e2b552fb7da392a/http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/BlackMarket99/scan0024.jpgNot quite.
Woah. Let's not lowball here. Humans don't survive crash landings after flying at high speeds from SPACE into a planet, then a sucker punch HV from a Silver Age level supervillain with poor power control issues.
In any case, I only posted it because JBL wanted to see Supes going intangible (which I think I have); and Knite/red sun rads not affecting Supes. I like how no one has picked up on him tanking a nuke whilst surrounded by K-nite, and yet can still fly, have HV, has super durability and can use telescopic vision.... [/B]
Post the scan after that where Prime heat vision is gone.
Also...When did i say Superman was nearly human when he hit the planet? I said the knite and red sun 'eventually' took its tole.
Originally posted by carver9
Post the scan after that where Prime heat vision is gone.
Yes, but YOU said:
Hell, Prime tried to shoot heat vision and it dispersed.
He succeeded in shooting Supes up. He didn't just try. Supes goes ARRGGH.
Also...When did i say Superman was nearly human when he hit the planet? I said the knite and red sun 'eventually' took its tole.
Good ft showing Superman isn't affected by it immediately but in the end, he was nearly human.
True. I guess you meant AFTER flying through a star designed to weaken him, THROUGH a meteorite field of rocks also designed to weaken him, AFTER crash landing at high speed into a planet from space, AFTER getting HV'ed in the back from SBP, THEN going H2H in a field of rocks that only weakens him, AND knocking SBP out, he was nearly human.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but YOU said:He succeeded in shooting Supes up. He didn't just try. Supes goes ARRGGH.
True. I guess you meant AFTER flying through a star designed to weaken him, THROUGH a meteorite field of rocks also designed to weaken him, AFTER crash landing at high speed into a planet from space, AFTER getting HV'ed in the back from SBP, THEN going H2H in a field of rocks that only weakens him, AND knocking SBP out, he was nearly human.
Definition of disperse? He lost his heat vision during that fight because of the red sun which mean it had an affect.
All of them lost their powers which goes against your entire point. It actually sides with what JBL said.
Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer drained Uni-Lord in fairly short order, but he can't drain either Superman or Hulk? 😕
He would be able to drain as much from the Hulk as he could handle, but it would not be nearly enough to revert the Hulk. Not this version of the Hulk at any rate. This Hulk was able to open the floodgates and allow himself to amp far more than the Surfer could handle. I recall the Surfer absorbing so much power that he hit a limit. He would do so here as well with the Hulk. Superman could take his pick of whom he was going to fight. I don't think the Surfer could take the this Hulk unless he bfr's him, and I don't think Thor could take Superman for a majority.
Originally posted by Stoic
He would be able to drain as much from the Hulk as he could handle, but it would not be nearly enough to revert the Hulk. Not this version of the Hulk at any rate. This Hulk was able to open the floodgates and allow himself to amp far more than the Surfer could handle. I recall the Surfer absorbing so much power that he hit a limit. He would do so here as well with the Hulk. Superman could take his pick of whom he was going to fight. I don't think the Surfer could take the this Hulk unless he bfr's him, and I don't think Thor could take Superman for a majority.
It was Uni-Lord where he hit his limit.
But Uni-Lords much more powerful then Hulk or Superman.
Originally posted by cdtm
It was Uni-Lord where he hit his limit.But Uni-Lords much more powerful then Hulk or Superman.
I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.
This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse.
Originally posted by StoicSurfer and thor have fought faster characters than superman, speed is no problem whatsoever. Surfer is the worst thing superman would want on him and thor can BFR hulk at will.
I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse.
