How strong is this Gohan???

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question. Would Vegeta suicide blast that he used against Fat Buu kill planet busting withstanding near death Frieza? Frieza withstood a planet exploding on him twice the size of earth. I'm pretty sure he can withstand an attack from Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta putting everything into one blast (that didn't destroy the planet...it just left a crater)?

Frieza survived a planet explosion not a ki planet buster attack. All freiza did was disrupt the core the planet naturally exploded.

Buu can regenerate frieza cant so he would die. If buu couldnt regen he wiuld have died too. Actually vegeta and buu is Also another example of somone weaker hurting a stronger character.

Frieza cant mask his ki he wouldnt be able to sneak up on anybody. You know the z fighters depend on their sixth sense. Frieza's incapability to use it is why goku was able to form the spirit bomb.

Originally posted by chasedown
Frieza survived a planet explosion not a ki planet buster attack. All freiza did was disrupt the core the planet naturally exploded.

Buu can regenerate frieza cant so he would die. If buu couldnt regen he wiuld have died too. Actually vegeta and buu is Also another example of somone weaker hurting a stronger character.

Frieza cant mask his ki he wouldnt be able to sneak up on anybody. You know the z fighters depend on their sixth sense. Frieza's incapability to use it is why goku was able to form the spirit bomb.

Lol...stop being thick headed. You are circling around everything. Frieza survived a PLANETARY LEVEL ATTACK. Doesn't matter if it came from Ki, a fart, someone's fist. It's still planetary. Doesn't matter how the planet exploded. What matter is, Frieza WITHSTOOD IT and Goku proved as a Super Saiyan that his Finger is more durable than Frieza Planetary body. Hell, Frieza father said a planetary attack is nothing to Frieza who again is LESS DURABLE THAN SUPER SAIYAN GOKU. Glad we got that out of the way since now we know that Goku can withstand planetary attacks.

Buu is an exception since his body is made out of doe. His physical durability doesn't have a thing to do with his ki. His regeneration does though. Remember...Buu isn't like the Z fighters. He was created from Magic which is the reason why he can do all of the things he does.

So you're saying that if Frieza gained the ability to mask his Ki..He could kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Vegeto?

You also avoided my question on which blast is more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...stop being thick headed. You are circling around everything. Frieza survived a PLANETARY LEVEL ATTACK. Doesn't matter if it came from Ki, a fart, someone's fist. It's still planetary. Doesn't matter how the planet exploded. What matter is, Frieza WITHSTOOD IT and Goku proved as a Super Saiyan that his Finger is more durable than Frieza Planetary body. Hell, Frieza father said a planetary attack is nothing to Frieza who again is LESS DURABLE THAN SUPER SAIYAN GOKU. Glad we got that out of the way since now we know that Goku can withstand planetary attacks.

Buu is an exception since his body is made out of doe. His physical durability doesn't have a thing to do with his ki. His regeneration does though. Remember...Buu isn't like the Z fighters. He was created from Magic which is the reason why he can do all of the things he does.

So you're saying that if Frieza gained the ability to mask his Ki..He could kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Vegeto?

You also avoided my question on which blast is more powerful.

You ask irrelavant questions that dont prove they can tank planet busting attacks.

You act like frieza didnt use his ki to shield him from the 20x kamehameha. That example only proves my point that they always either use their ki to deflect them or run away

Note i never said kill. I said they cant tank them idk how to make it anymore clearer. Yes they would be hurt if they were to sit there without projecting ki and just take the attack head on. Didnt gohan die from a planet buster even tho he was far stronger than kid buu. Yes he was knocked out but by your logic he should have lived.

Vegeto and ssj3 goku would just use their ki to deflect friezas blast.

So the planet exploding on its own is as strong or stronger than frieza ki busting the planet on its own?

Originally posted by carver9
Which one is more powerful?

This...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=frieza+destroyed+planet+vegeta

Or this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUE5Azwdv_0

Which one is more powerful?

This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eXSdncv8RY

Or this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEt58DU2PQ 5 min and 30 seconds

This kamehameha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFw413DnhcQ

or this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuiiWK1J4E

How about something a lil more in detail.

Goku deflected Vegeta planet buster with his own planet busting power. The K ken times 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6EdRXtmQ1s

He used the k ken times 20 and it exploded but it did nothing to the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViJ-IqkeChE

Which is more powerful?

If you truly want to debate collateral damage vs power output regarding DBZ characters, then again, you all know nothing concerning DBZ. You are basically saying first form Frieza could kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Vegeto, Cell, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Are you seriously agreeing with this? I dont think you read everything me and this guy was debating on. The radius of a DBZ blast doesn't have a thing to do with the power behind said attack.

"What you're saying is that a mini-black hole is weaker than a zhar bomb because it has a smaller AOE.

Generally, bigger AOE means bigger force. However, in things such as DBZ, and even a lot of comics, characters make their attacks smaller and more condensed so they don't destroy everything around them. Final form Frieza told SSJ Goku that he could destroy Namek with a gesture, but he didn't because he wanted to prove he could beat Goku with his own power, not his biological advantage. Why do you think Thanos fighting the Silver Surfer didn't destroy Earth, when he casually shrugged off attacks from the universe busting Galactus?

That's where power-scaling comes in. You have to gauge from statements, feats, common sense ,and author-approved literature how strong someone is in fiction. Not petty assumptions and nit-picking.", 👆

You literally just ignored my entire argument. What about "things such as DBZ, and even a lot of comics, characters make their attacks smaller and more condensed so they don't destroy everything around them", didn't you get? You and chasedown are BOTH wrong, but chasedown was closer than you were.

The bigger AOE someone can generate GENERALLY translates to their power output capacity. For example, someone who can destroy a universe at their best is stronger than someone who can destroy a galaxy at their best. Do you NOT agree? This is true, not just for anime, but ALL of fiction. You might as well be arguing that Hulk could beat Galactus. That is ridiculous.

Let me repeat this again, since you clearly don't comprehend this basic concept. When characters from different series get to be universe/reality buster tier characters, they make their attacks more condensed so 1. It does more damage to the person they're fighting, and 2. So it doesn't destroy reality and leave the two of them to fight in nothingness, with the universe around them completely gone.

THAT'S when you have to judge character strength's from statements, feats, scaling and author approved literature, NOT fanboy, biased, speculation. 👆

I agree i already know about attack potency and collateral. At the same time something that destroys a universe going to be stronger that something thst destroys one planet.

Plus us as readers have no way to measure attack potency so destructive capability,feats and statements within said manga are all we have to rely on since those pieces of evidence are more conclusive and definite.

Originally posted by chasedown
I agree i already know about attack potency and collateral. At the same time something that destroys a universe going to be stronger that something thst destroys one planet.

Plus us as readers have no way to measure attack potency so destructive capability,feats and statements within said manga are all we have to rely on since those pieces of evidence are more conclusive and definite.

Well, some attacks that destroy single planets could be stronger than attacks with much bigger AOE's. For example, a Supernova only destroys the solar system it's the center of, but it exerts more energy than the collection of the galaxy for a single instant. The reason it's not a galaxy sized explosion is because gravity condenses it as it explodes, making it an extremely potent attack, with the force to destroy almost a whole galaxy, but with an AOE of not even 1/1,000th of that.

Otherwise, pretty much.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, some attacks that destroy single planets could be stronger than attacks with much bigger AOE's. For example, a Supernova only destroys the solar system it's the center of, but it exerts more energy than the collection of the galaxy for a single instant. The reason it's not a galaxy sized explosion is because gravity condenses it as it explodes, making it an extremely potent attack, with the force to destroy almost a whole galaxy, but with an AOE of not even 1/1,000th of that.

Otherwise, pretty much.

Lol your exaggerating a little bit they dont have the energy of one galaxy because its the explosion of one star. Galaxies have many stars so supernova<galaxy in terms of sumd up energy output. They dont have the power to bust a galaxy. That doesnt mean they are weak tho...

Supernovas generally output as much energy as our sun will in its lifetime in one instant which is still pretty damn strong lol. If it were to occur about 50 light years of earth we would be affected tremendously maybe even go extinct because of ozone depletion but the earth would still be intact. It would take time for us to die off tho

Anything closer than that like 30 or 40 light years away then your talkin bout earth getting destroyed lol wed be f***ed and our solar system would have to start from scratch.

Scientists actually think they create more than they destroy because they spread mass,gasses and particles out across space which helps the building of new solar systems.

I get what your saying about potency tho i just had to let the inner nerd out real quick lol i had an astronomy class last semester.

Mind you Yamcha is a planet buster.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Mind you Yamcha is a planet buster.

Lol what no he isnt

Originally posted by chasedown
Lol what no he isnt

Lol what yes he is

Anyway, I'm going to get back to typing seriously, because I'm not some idiotic douche bag who can't have the courtesy to make his sentences readable.

Anyway, judging strictly from statements and scaling alone, Yamcha is a casual planet buster during the Frieza saga. Especially in the anime.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Lol what yes he is

Anyway, I'm going to get back to typing seriously, because I'm not some idiotic douche bag who can't have the courtesy to make his sentences readable.

Anyway, judging strictly from statements and scaling alone, Yamcha is a casual planet buster during the Frieza saga. Especially in the anime.

Oh yea i forgot he trained under king kai for a little