How strong is this Gohan???

I need to know the limits on how you would take this. Since we are basing things off of collateral damage.

I guess it take a dirt level blast to kill Toguro?

Explain this one to me since we are basing things off of collateral damage. Goku blast against Vegeta during the Saiyan saga had enough power to deflect Vegeta planet destroying blast (which would mean he had to use planetary power to deflect a planetary level blast) as shown here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6EdRXtmQ1s

Goku used Kaioken times 3 for this blast.

Here we have Goku against Frieza and he used Kaioken times 20 and the planet is still intact after the explosion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu73uj8OPQ

Which blast is more powerful, the one that Goku used (planet destroying) against Vegeta or the one that he used against Frieza that just lit up the sky?

Originally posted by carver9
I need to know the limits on how you would take this. Since we are basing things off of collateral damage.

I guess it take a dirt level blast to kill Toguro?

Explain this one to me since we are basing things off of collateral damage. Goku blast against Vegeta during the Saiyan saga had enough power to deflect Vegeta planet destroying blast (which would mean he had to use planetary power to deflect a planetary level blast) as shown here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6EdRXtmQ1s

Goku used Kaioken times 3 for this blast.

Here we have Goku against Frieza and he used Kaioken times 20 and the planet is still intact after the explosion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu73uj8OPQ

Which blast is more powerful, the one that Goku used (planet destroying) against Vegeta or the one that he used against Frieza that just lit up the sky?

Idk what that comparison is being shown to me for neither character tanked them and yes they were both planet busters. Frieza deflected the kamehameha with his ki.

We didnt see the damage for the kamehahameha against vegeta because vegeta hopped off of the blast and it kept going into the air.

The funny thing is im not even basing things off collateral damage idk why you think i am. Im just saying something that can destroy a solar system is stronger than a planet buster. If you have two bombs and one is said to be able to destroy a planet which of the two is the stronger bomb.

Like What should an attack that can destroy the solar system be classified as in your eyes?

Originally posted by chasedown
Final flash and instant kamehameha were both considered to be attacks capable of planet busting thats why they had to be shot of at angles that would allow them to leave the atmosphere.its also an example of people weaker than you hurting you. Both times cell lost limbs that is not tanking

Tanking is when you recieve little to no damage whatsoever.

Which means Vegeta power destroyed him and it was more than planetary. Again, the planets destruction is the side affect. Or course the planet would be destroyed if Vegeta doesn't direct it somewhere else but that doesn't mean that a Z fighter would die from a planets explosion. It has more to do with the power of the blast. I think Goku along with any other Z fighters and enemies without regeneration, could die from blasts that wouldn't level a building but that doesn't mean that people like Roshi could kill them, that means that it was a lot of power behind the blast.

Do you apply this rule to all characters. Example, if I provide a scan of Galactus (hope you know who that is) dying from a blast that didn't level the ground underneath him, could someone like Krillin kill him with a mountain busting attack? Or Superman. If I show you a scan of Superman dying from an attack that didn't even level the building beside him... does that mean that someone like King Piccolo could kill him with an average attack? Or does this just apply to DBZ characters?

Originally posted by chasedown
What should an attack that can destroy the solar system be classified as in your eyes.

Cell said that after killing Gohan, his blast would also level the solar system. Which means the side affect of his power would destroy the solar system. Which again has a lot to do with Cell power vs Gohan durability.

Frieza got shredded by a blast that did nothing to the surrounding area but yet, he survived a planets explosion. Which is more powerful, Trunks blast that didn't do anything to the rocks below him or the planet explosion that Frieza withstood?

Originally posted by carver9
Cell said that after killing Gohan, his blast would also level the solar system. Which means the side affect of his power would destroy the solar system. Which again has a lot to do with Cell power vs Gohan durability.

Frieza got shredded by a blast that did nothing to the surrounding area but yet, he survived a planets explosion. Which is more powerful, Trunks blast that didn't do anything to the rocks below him or the planet explosion that Frieza withstood?

So an attack that destroys the solar system as a side effect is weaker than one that can only destroy a planet as a side effect?

Originally posted by chasedown
So an attack that destroys the solar system as a side effect is weaker than one that can only destroy a planet as a side effect?

It depends. If Super Saiyan 3 Goku expended all of his power in a blast (his Kamehameha that he used against Buu) and it did nothing (his blast didnt destroy anything) and Cell expended all of his power into an attack and it destroyed a solar System, I would say Goku blast is more powerful since Goku even at Super Saiyan 2 is more powerful than Cell. Remember, even though Cell had enough power to shed a solar system with a blast, Gohan matched his power at super saiyan 2 levels. I also think Buu blast, the one that Goku couldn't stop is more powerful than Cell solar system buster since we all know that Goku could deflect Cell blast with ease during the Buu saga.

Originally posted by chasedown
Idk what that comparison is being shown to me for neither character tanked them and yes they were both planet busters. Frieza deflected the kamehameha with his ki.

We didnt see the damage for the kamehahameha against vegeta because vegeta hopped off of the blast and it kept going into the air.

The funny thing is im not even basing things off collateral damage idk why you think i am. Im just saying something that can destroy a solar system is stronger than a planet buster. If you have two bombs and one is said to be able to destroy a planet which of the two is the stronger bomb.

Like What should an attack that can destroy the solar system be classified as in your eyes?

You are using Collateral damage though. You said that Goku and Friends died from a planetary level attack. What I am telling you is, it takes more than that to take out a Z fighter. You then state that they can't survive anything past a planetary attack and I am asking you for proof since during their early stages, Z fighters were able to destroy planets. With that said, you are basically saying that Saiyan saga Vegeta could have defeated Frieza since he has planetary power (which is one of the worst I've heard from anyone concerning a DBZ character). Vegeta even said that he couldn't harm final form Frieza and this was a more powerful Vegeta than Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends. If Super Saiyan 3 Goku expended all of his power in a blast (his Kamehameha that he used against Buu) and it did nothing (his blast didnt destroy anything) and Cell expended all of his power into an attack and it destroyed a solar System, I would say Goku blast is more powerful since Goku even at Super Saiyan 2 is more powerful than Cell. Remember, even though Cell had enough power to shed a solar system with a blast, Gohan matched his power at super saiyan 2 levels. I also think Buu blast, the one that Goku couldn't stop is more powerful than Cell solar system buster since we all know that Goku could deflect Cell blast with ease during the Buu saga.

I get what your saying buy Im a logical thinker so id still think a solar system busting attack is stronger than a planet busting one and i do think kid buu is capable of doing the same.

I feel like the two explanations for goku and vegeta not being able to stop that blast together would be plot no jutsu or kid buu created a blast of unfathomable power or something like that. Although since goku himself said he could of killed kid buu in ssj3 if he went all out in the beginning of the fight i feel like him and vegeta should have been able to stop it Together its not like they were up against buuhan.

But whatever its dbz its not supposed to make sense especially when its creator akira toriyama retconed the strength of ssj3 in battle of the gods and him most recent interview

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Originally posted by chasedown
I get what your saying buy Im a logical thinker so id still think a solar system busting attack is stronger than a planet busting one and i do think kid buu is capable of doing the same.

I feel like the two explanations for goku and vegeta not being able to stop that blast together would be plot no jutsu or kid buu created a blast of unfathomable power or something like that. Although since goku himself said he could of killed kid buu in ssj3 if he went all out in the beginning of the fight i feel like him and vegeta should have been able to stop it Together its not like they were up against buuhan.

But whatever its dbz its not supposed to make sense especially when its creator akira toriyama retconed the strength of ssj3 in battle of the gods and him most recent interview

The power of the blast isn't always about the destruction it causes though. Frieza displayed more power in one fight than any character in DBZ has displayed. I would never say that since Frieza created atomic bombs and Nuclear blasts during one fight, he was displaying more power than anything fat Buu did based off of the destructive force. Crazy thing is, Black hair Goku tanked majority of that stuff anyways which means, Super Saiyan Goku would have walked through it with a smile.

Crazy thing is...if you put Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Cell in the hyperbolic time chamber and Cell shot his solar system destroying blast at Goku, Goku would probably tank it.

Show me goku tanking a planet busting level attack. He can deflect them not tank them theres a difference.

And besides your missing my point and Your not listening to what im saying goku himself stated that he could have beat kid buu on his own twice. Once before he started fighting kid buu and the other when he was talking to vegeta saying he was holding back because he wanted vegeta to get a try.

Now if goku can beat kid buu by himself why couldnt he and vegeta both stop kid buu from blowing up the earth. The only explanation is plot no jutsu. It doesnt make sense and is inconsistent theres no refuting that.

And another thing kid buu can blow up the earth but the good buu stopped him from hurting hercule.... Wasnt hercule on earth before if blew up the good buu should have been able to stop him there too.

Dbz is an anime full of PIS you cant get around it.

Battle of the gods and toriyama himself has retcond a number of things in this series.
He himself has made it possible for lower power levels to hurt higher power levels all throughout the dbz series and after with interviews and movies. Its full of inconsistencies and pis

Originally posted by chasedown
Show me goku tanking a planet busting level attack. He can deflect them not tank them theres a difference.

And besides your missing my point and Your not listening to what im saying goku himself stated that he could have beat kid buu on his own twice. Once before he started fighting kid buu and the other when he was talking to vegeta saying he was holding back because he wanted vegeta to get a try.

Now if goku can beat kid buu by himself why couldnt he and vegeta both stop kid buu from blowing up the earth. The only explanation is plot no jutsu. It doesnt make sense and is inconsistent theres no refuting that.

And another thing kid buu can blow up the earth but the good buu stopped him from hurting hercule.... Wasnt hercule on earth before if blew up the good buu should have been able to stop him there too.

Dbz is an anime full of PIS you cant get around it.

Battle of the gods and toriyama himself has retcond a number of things in this series.
He himself has made it possible for lower power levels to hurt higher power levels all throughout the dbz series and after with interviews and movies. Its full of inconsistencies and pis

You are not making one bit of sense. I can't show you Vegeto being hit by something that destroyed a planet (he was hit by blasts from Super Buu who is trillions of times more powerful than Frieza and Saiyan saga Vegeta) but I am not retarded enough to think that Saiyan Saga Vegeta or first form Frieza could beat Vegeto... at all. You know you are literally saying that first form Frieza can beat Vegeto, Super Saiyan Goku, Super Saiyan 2 Goku, 3 Goku with his index finger right? Which means you don't know a single thing about DBZ. If you think first form Frieza could kill beings that could fart and kill him, then you are crazy. I can't provide a single scan showing Majin Vegeta withstanding an attack that blew a chunk out of the earth the size of the moon but I will NEVER say (nor would any other person on this forum that knows anything ab out DBZ) that Roshi could kill Goku, let alone Nappa. Listen to how crazy you sound.

DBZ isn't inconsistent...There are people (like yourself) that tries to nitpick every little scene to try to find a way to discredit something. Crazy thing is, since debating with you, you have not made a solid argument yet. If you are going to sit here and tell me that second form Frieza Nuclear blast is more powerful than Cell blast that koed Gohan because of the radius of the blast, then again, you are half crazy.

I don't have to show you Goku tanking a blast that ended up blowing up a planet because what's the point when I don't think Saiyan Saga Vegeta could put a scratch on beings that is so far beyond him, it's ridiculous. What I can show you is Frieza standing in one spot letting Vegeta unleash everything he have on him to no avail. I can show you trunks standing in one spot letting Frieza unleash on him to no avail. Nail unleashing on Frieza and not doing anything. I can go on with this all day but I know my DBZ. Wait...let me guess, this doesn't count because Earth wasn't destroyed (even though these people taxed themselves). Again, does this rule apply to all anime characters or just DBZ because if it applies to all Anime characters then I am about to go on an Anime/Manga posting spree with powerful character getting hurt and dying from blasts that didn't even level the room they were standing in. What's your favorite anime (you better not say DBZ)?

Well if you say someone can tank something you have to show proff of them performing said feat.

It doesnt even matter because you disregarded everything i just posted by calling it nitpicking.

You know the fanboyism is real when the person disregards words spoken by the creator himself. Lol damage control at its finest

But whatever im done argueing about dbz the show as a whole is subpar at best and only legendary because of nostalgic reasons. Anyone who has read or watched alot of anime will tell you its not well written but i digress you love it and i cant change that for you.

I can name at least 5-10 better written anime stories

Originally posted by chasedown
Damage control at its finest

So Roshi can kill Super Saiyan Goku.l? Let's discuss this across the board because again, I can't show Goku withstanding a blast that took a chunk out of the Earth the size of the moon.

Originally posted by carver9
So Roshi can kill Super Saiyan Goku.l? Let's discuss this across the board because again, I can't show Goku withstanding a blast that took a chunk out of the Earth the size of the moon.

Is the moon the size of the average planet let alone earth no.

And i never said roshi could kill him. Roshi is not a planet buster and all im saying is nobody has ever tanked a planet busting attack They always either dodge them or deflect them away.

Originally posted by chasedown
Is the moon the size of the average planet let alone earth no.

And i never said roshi could kill him. Roshi is not a planet buster and all im saying is nobody has ever tanked a planet busting attack They always either dodge them or deflect them away.

No one has ever tanked a moon busting attack. Let me reword that...no one has ever tanked a blast that took chunks out of earth the size of the moon. So again...can Roshi kill Goku since we've never seen him hit with a an attack that was stated as being moon busting or had the radius of destruction as a moon busting attack. This is a simple question.

Originally posted by carver9
No one has ever tanked a moon busting attack. Let me reword that...no one has ever tanked a blast that took chunks out of earth the size of the moon. So again...can Roshi kill Goku since we've never seen him hit with a an attack that was stated as being moon busting or had the radius of destruction as a moon busting attack. This is a simple question.

Why do you keep asking about master roshi..... We dont know which blast are considered moon busters unless they say it so that question cant be answered but we know which ones are planet busters and weve seen how they always react against those

Originally posted by chasedown
Why do you keep asking about master roshi..... We dont know which blast are considered moon busters unless they say it so that question cant be answered but we know which ones are planet busters and weve seen how they always react against those

We do know which ones are moon busters since Roshi and Piccolo has destroyed one.