How strong is this Gohan???

Originally posted by carver9
But it doesn't make sense because you are suggesting that Babidi teleported Buu to every planet, star, and moon (along with Black holes, etc) in multiples of Galaxies. Does that truly make sense to you? Then, that would still put Buu reflexes over light speed and Babidi perception above light speed as well.

And it doesn't make sense that he did one blast and did it either. Kid buu is a violent monster with no concern for what he destroys, if he could casually blow up galaxies he would have when he was brought back. To me it makes more sense given what we have seen from him directly to have been teleported around destroying these places, what that means to is up to your interpretation. But I think DBZ was pretty good at keeping the character's consistent with their actions. Cell didn't try to blow up earth until he lost because he is vain and wanted to show his might, Buu would have just destroyed everything if he could have instead of just the one.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
And it doesn't make sense that he did one blast and did it either. Kid buu is a violent monster with no concern for what he destroys, if he could casually blow up galaxies he would have when he was brought back. To me it makes more sense given what we have seen from him directly to have been teleported around destroying these places, what that means to is up to your interpretation. But I think DBZ was pretty good at keeping the character's consistent with their actions. Cell didn't try to blow up earth until he lost because he is vain and wanted to show his might, Buu would have just destroyed everything if he could have instead of just the one.

So we are in agreement that Buu reflexes is 100s if not 1000s of times faster than the speed of light?

Originally posted by carver9
So we are in agreement that Buu reflexes is 100s if not 1000s of times faster than the speed of light?

I think he teleported. You'll think what you want like always.

Originally posted by carver9
That's during the end. He learned IT by watching Goku. He did not know how to teleport during the time he was with his master. Now during that instance when he was traveling to the ki planets, yes, he knew how to teleport but that wasn't during the time multiple Galaxies was destroyed.

they used ftl spaceships to travel around as you can see vegeta goku and gohan were in that ship around the time babidi took over vegeta

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I think he teleported. You'll think what you want like always.

Even if he teleported, they would have to stop, look at the planet, lift his arm, blast, and move to the next planer near instantly. They can't stop and talk along with thinking. Imagine how fast they would have to teleport to destroy everything multiples of Galaxies. Then they would have to blow up EVERYTHING in that Galaxy while perceiving it. Just because you have teleportation doesn't mean you have light speed reaction.

Originally posted by yungz22
they used ftl spaceships to travel around as you can see vegeta goku and gohan were in that ship around the time babidi took over vegeta

Lol...so Babidi and Buu got in a space ship, opened the door, blast a planet, moved to the next planet and moon, destroyed that, flew to the stars, destroyed those. They did all of this to multiples of Galaxies in a few yrs? Can you honestly see kid buu in a space ship sitting down...waiting. then that would still put his reflexes along with the door that is opening consistently trillions of time above light speed. Lol...These arguments you all are making is hilarious.

Originally posted by carver9
Even if he teleported, they would have to stop, look at the planet, lift his arm, blast, and move to the next planer near instantly. They can't stop and talk along with thinking. Imagine how fast they would have to teleport to destroy everything multiples of Galaxies. Then they would have to blow up EVERYTHING in that Galaxy while perceiving it. Just because you have teleportation doesn't mean you have light speed reaction.

So you think kid buu shot one blast that took years to expand big enough to destroy galaxies?

Originally posted by carver9
Even if he teleported, they would have to stop, look at the planet, lift his arm, blast, and move to the next planer near instantly. They can't stop and talk along with thinking. Imagine how fast they would have to teleport to destroy everything multiples of Galaxies. Then they would have to blow up EVERYTHING in that Galaxy while perceiving it. Just because you have teleportation doesn't mean you have light speed reaction.

Originally posted by chasedown
So you think kid buu shot one blast that took years to expand big enough to destroy galaxies?

I think he destroyed these Galaxies in large chunks. It's impossible to single out everything in a Galaxy and destroy it one at a time. Especially with all the known substance in a Galaxy. Then it said Galaxies. So there's no telling how many he destroyed. He could ha e destroyed 12 Galaxies which could be the reason it took so long.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
He very would could still be pretty fast, but there are ways to destroy things especially as we don't know what all is in these galaxies (aren't the kai worlds in some weird galaxies?) that aren't some infinite times faster than light you want to think. Just because i don't think it's as impressive as you do doesn't mean I think kid buu sucks.

Somebody save me. I can't believe this.

Originally posted by carver9
I think he destroyed these Galaxies in large chunks. It's impossible to single out everything in a Galaxy and destroy it one at a time. Especially with all the known substance in a Galaxy. Then it said Galaxies. So there's no telling how many he destroyed. He could ha e destroyed 12 Galaxies which could be the reason it took so long.

he could have destroyed only two we dont know. and we dont know how many years it took. it couyld have took him like 4 or 5 years to destroy just one galaxy we just dont know. Everything is speculation so theres no definite answer.

Originally posted by yungz22
he could have destroyed only two we dont know. and we dont know how many years it took. it couyld have took him like 4 or 5 years to destroy just one galaxy we just dont know. Everything is speculation so theres no definite answer.

A few isn't 4 or 5. Even if it took four or 5 years to destroy a few Galaxies...that would still put him within the Sky father range.

Originally posted by carver9
A few isn't 4 or 5. Even if it took four or 5 years to destroy a few Galaxies...that would still put him within the Sky father range.

we dont know the exact numbers so we cant calculate anything like that accuratley

Originally posted by carver9
Somebody save me. I can't believe this.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So either he can destroy galaxies, or he can move around 700 billion times faster than light speed, give or take.

Generally in DBZ though, when someone says they can or someone else can destroy something, they will say if they mean over time. Either way, it lines up with what we've seen in cannon, and even in movies, meaning it's pretty legit, and you can't disprove it.

So stop trying.

Oh, I get it. I understand your point.

No matter what, this guy has made a solid point.

Here is why:

Either the attacks blow up faster than light (they blast fronts propagate faster than light because each galaxy is going to be in the range of 100,000 light years across and these multiple-galaxy destructions are supposed to have happened over just a few years) OR he is faster than light in his ability to fly and blow stuff up.

Either way, multiple galaxies being destroyed in a few years indicates something is far far faster than light...either the blasts or the ability to fly around.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So it takes him a few years to destroy galaxies with one attack? He must be slow as molasses then.

Well, gauging the distance between galaxies, the size of galaxies themselves, and the speed of light...we are talking about an absurdly faster blast. I cannot even begin to estimate how fast that would be. SSSG says billions of times faster than light. Maybe?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I get it. I understand your point.

No matter what, this guy has made a solid point.

Here is why:

Either the attacks blow up faster than light (they blast fronts propagate faster than light because each galaxy is going to be in the range of 100,000 light years across and these multiple-galaxy destructions are supposed to have happened over just a few years) OR he is faster than light in his ability to fly and blow stuff up.

Either way, multiple galaxies being destroyed in a few years indicates something is far far faster than light...either the blasts or the ability to fly around.

Well, gauging the distance between galaxies, the size of galaxies themselves, and the speed of light...we are talking about an absurdly faster blast. I cannot even begin to estimate how fast that would be. SSSG says billions of times faster than light. Maybe?

Oh yes. But these feats are void because stronger characters have not performed these feats.

Because Vegito and so on would really want to destroy the galaxy, but they obviously can't which is why they didn't do it.

LOGIC.

Originally posted by carver9
This is Gohan from the movie 'Fusion Reborn'. He one punched killed Frieza. Think real hard on this before answering.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Except no, there are ways to destroy multiple planets that are faster than one by one. And more importantly DBZ verse clearly has a different cosmos than our own. Aren't there only four galaxies in the primary Verse each ran by a different Kai?

Which would make Buu power greater than planetary. Either way this goes, Buu wins. He is either far faster than light or he is a Galaxy buster.

Where was it stated that DBZ verse is different than ours. Hell, it can't be that different. It took Goku some time to get to planet Namek and it was in the same Galaxy...light yrs away.

its all speculation and all lightspeed feats in dbz contradict themselves with non ls feats

Originally posted by carver9
Or you can accept what DBZ is clearly trying to throw at you. All of this was said about Buu.

"This battle determines the fate of the UNIVERSE". I can't think of a single herald that would determining factor of a freaking universe. That abstract level crap.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/buu/247528

If we don't do anything...everything in the UNIVERSE will be killed.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/buu/247526

"Then the universe will be destroyed".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/buu/247527

Q- Did Buu destroy the universe on his first rampage?
A- No, he destroyed planets, galaxies, whatever another translator says. If Buu could have, he would have.

Q- Then what other explanation could there be for the quotes of universal destruction come from if not a one-shot blast?
A- Simple, he just does it gradually in the same way he was doing so the first time. Keep in mind that the quote giver (I assume Kai, scans didn't show up) considered Buu the strongest being in the universe save the three special cases that showed up (Gohan, Vegito, final battle). Now let's say that Buu came out victorious. What happens next? Buu would go around destroying every planet all over again which would eventually be the end of all life as there would be nothing to stop him.

Q- I'm still not convinced. Can you give me an in-verse example?
A- How about we look at King Piccolo, and before it comes up this example goes with him not being able to planet bust. He was tied strongest on Earth along with Goku. Assuming Goku lost, who would be there to stop him? No one. Assuming Piccolo wanted to go around blowing up city sized blasts until the planet looks razed, is that planet busting? No. Is all life on Earth practically 'killed'? Yes.

The lines there talk about this; An eventual destruction in the same manner he was going at it before.

What this doesn't cover is that the raw scan is needed to see if galaxies or just planets was mentioned.