Originally posted by carver9
Do you think this could kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku?
All your doing is proving my point about the inconsistency within dbz
Also final flash wasnt pointed directly at cell because as trunks said he could have destroyed the planet.... And who knows maybe it could have because goku cant regenerate.
Originally posted by chasedown
All your doing is proving my point about the inconsistency within dbzAlso final flash wasnt pointed directly at cell because as trunks said he could have destroyed the planet.... And who knows maybe it could have because goku cant regenerate.
Not seeing the inconsistency. You are basing your argument off of "collateral damage". When you learn that all attacks are not meant to destroy the surrounding area, you'll be able to grasp the concept of DBZ. Until then, I am literally arguing with a brick wall.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta was capable of destroying a planet. Sad thing is, he would NEVER be able to dent Frieza or anyone more powerful than Frieza, shell.
When you realize that it was Cell power that killed Goku. Buu power that killed Gohan, Picollo and the kids, you'll be able to understand everything I am saying.
When you realize the difference between a blast killing someone vs a planet explosion killing someone, holla at me. Cell can kill Goku without destroying a building. Buu can kill Vegeta with a blast without the side affects destroying a mountain.
Answer this. Is it just DBZ that you tend to use the collateral damage argument or is it all characters/anime?
Originally posted by carver9
So you are basically saying Saiyan saga Vegeta can kill Frieza, Buu, Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Vegeta, can kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Is this what you are saying?
No im saying they can all be hurt by planet busters cuz weve seen characters of all power levels take damage or even die from them
Lol and i never said a planet exploding is what killed characters im specifically talking about the attack
Originally posted by chasedown
No im saying they can all be hurt by planet busters cuz weve seen characters of all power levels take damage or even die from themLol and i never said a planet exploding is what killed characters im specifically talking about the attack
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I honestly can't believe this. Anyone that knows anything about DBZ wouldn't say this. How far does it go. Can Roshi injure Super Saiyan Goku with his moon busting blast. A moon isn't far off from being as big as a planet. If they can be killed by a planet busting attack from Saiyan Saga Vegeta, then a moon busting should injure them beyond belief. Don't you agree with this?
Originally posted by carver9
😂I honestly can't believe this. Anyone that knows anything about DBZ wouldn't say this. How far does it go. Can Roshi injure Super Saiyan Goku with his moon busting blast. A moon isn't far off from being as big as a planet. If they can be killed by a planet busting attack from Saiyan Saga Vegeta, then a moon busting should injure them beyond belief. Don't you agree with this?
The moon's mass is a little bit more than 1 percent of earths mass, 1/4 earths diameter and 1/50 of earths volume. That is waaaay smaller than earth and very far from being as big as a planet in every aspect. You really need to do some research on our solar system.
Moons are closer to asteroids
Originally posted by chasedown
Fun fact: If you were to lay the moon flat on earths surface it would be a 1.5 times the size of north america
When did I say it was the size of our bigger planets but there are small planets that are the size of our moon. Like I've stated before, you are making a complete, let me reword this...you are showing that you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to DBZ if you think Saiyan Saga Vegeta, let alone first form Frieza can hurt Super Saiyan Goku, let alone Super 2 or 3. No one on this site will agree with you. NO ONE.
Originally posted by carver9
When did I say it was the size of our bigger planets but there are small planets that are the size of our moon. Like I've stated before, you are making a complete, let me reword this...you are showing that you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to DBZ if you think Saiyan Saga Vegeta, let alone first form Frieza can hurt Super Saiyan Goku, let alone Super 2 or 3. No one on this site will agree with you. NO ONE.
You said almost and what i stated up above shows that it not at all almost the size of almost earth..
I never said they could beat them i said they cant tank planet busting attacks weve seen characters of all power levels get hurt by them in some way throughout the series. Its actually a quite simple notion.
You putting words in my mouth isnt going to change that fact.
They can deflect planet busting attacks but they cant tank them theres a difference. Example kid buu is stronger than buu but he deflected buus planet buster and we both know if he were to just stand there and take it he would have been hurt maybe even killed, another example cell didnt tank vegetas final flash but cell was def stronger than vegeta at the time.
Originally posted by chasedown
You said almost and what i stated up above shows that it not at all almost the size of almost earth..I never said they could beat them i said they cant tank planet busting attacks weve seen characters of all power levels get hurt by them in some way throughout the series. Its actually a quite simple notion.
You putting words in my mouth isnt going to change that fact.
They can deflect planet busting attacks but they cant tank them theres a difference. Example kid buu is stronger than buu but he deflected buus planet buster and we both know if he were to just stand there and take it he would have been hurt maybe even killed, another example cell didnt tank vegetas final flash but cell was def stronger than vegeta at the time.
Goku during the Saiyan Saga deflected a planet busting attack against Vegeta. Vegeta deflected Buu planet busting attack. Piccolo deflected Frieza planet busting attack. We are talking about DBZ you know. Seems like you know very little about the manga my friend.
I never said you said they can beat whoever, what I am telling you is, Saiyan Saga VEGETA can not harm a Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, 3 or even black hair Namekian Saga Goku and he was a planet buster. Frieza with his planet busting attack can not harm a Super Saiyan either which means DBZ characters CAN withstand/TANK planet busting power. Anyone who knows anything about DBZ or anything Dragonball related knows this. Right now the only thing you are doing is trolling.
So lets do the math. DBZ characters can TANK moon busting and planetary level attacks. Now the only thing we need you to comprehend is the difference between someone dying from a planetary attack vs someone dying from someone else power output.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku during the Saiyan Saga deflected a planet busting attack against Vegeta. Vegeta deflected Buu planet busting attack. Piccolo deflected Frieza planet busting attack. We are talking about DBZ you know. Seems like you know very little about the manga my friend.I never said you said they can beat whoever, what I am telling you is, Saiyan Saga VEGETA can not harm a Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, 3 or even black hair Namekian Saga Goku and he was a planet buster. Frieza with his planet busting attack can not harm a Super Saiyan either which means DBZ characters CAN withstand/TANK planet busting power. Anyone who knows anything about DBZ or anything Dragonball related knows this. Right now the only thing you are doing is trolling.
So lets do the math. DBZ characters can TANK moon busting and planetary level attacks. Now the only thing we need you to comprehend is the difference between someone dying from a planetary attack vs someone dying from someone else power output.
Why are you repeating what im saying i already said they could deflect planet busting attacks. Why cant lower levels harm higher levels if vegeta "supposedly" surpassed ssj3 goku against bills who is a god in his ssj2 form. Bills was on a completely different plane than goku and vegeta. Yet master roshi said vegeta surpassed goku. Also when goku fought kid buu ssj2 he was keeping up with him and hurting him he just wasnt creating enough damage.
Weve never seen anyone just sit there and tank a planet buster so you cant say that they all can just because they are at a higher level.
There are a couple instances in the cell saga alone where cell who was stronger than both opponents was harmed by planet busting attacks.
The difference between saiyan and later sagas when it comes to planet busting is that characters need different charging times depending on their power levels to reach a planet busting ki blast.
Where is your proof for a dbz character tanking a planet busting attack. Show me somone tanking one.
Also in a recent interview toriyama stated himself " super saiyan 2 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."
So there you go someone who isnt super saiyan can in fact harm one who is.
Would like to point out the Frieza kind of tanked a planet buster in the form of a planet exploding in his face. Cell to a much lesser extent survived his self-destruction which had enough power to destroy the Earth and King Kai's planet: though in a sense wouldn't that count as a KO in forums?
But I digress....not sure where this thread is going or how it relates to Gohan. Wasn't he confirmed to be the strongest non-fused character in the series or did "Battle of the Gods" recton that? I still haven't seen the movie.
I was just showing dbz's inconsistency with gohan stopping a solar system buster on his own then goku and vegeta running from a planet buster in the next saga. No matter how you look at it something that has the power to blow up a solar system is a more devastating attack then something that blows up planets. Not saying that kid buu cant blow up solar systems because im pretty sure he could muster enough energy to do so too but i feel that goku and vegeta should have stopped kid buus blast together especially if goku ended up being the one who kills buu...... Maybe its just toriyama's pis in order to create a scenario where only goku ends up being the one to beat buu but that doesnt change the fact that it is inconsistent along with other things like them being lightspeed.
Yes frieza and cell survived but by no means did they tank those events cell,frieza ,goku and other have recieved damage from planet busters?
Regardless mystic/ultimate gohan is the strongest character within the show
Dbz is great for nostalgic reasons but ppl sometimes act as if its the best written masterpiece when in actuality it isnt.
Originally posted by chasedown
I was just showing dbz's inconsistency with gohan stopping a solar system buster on his own then goku and vegeta running from a planet buster in the next saga. No matter how you look at it something that has the power to blow up a solar system is a more devastating attack then something that blows up planets. Not saying that kid buu cant blow up solar systems because im pretty sure he could muster enough energy to do so too but i feel that goku and vegeta should have stopped kid buus blast together especially if goku ended up being the one who kills buu...... Maybe its just toriyama's pis in order to create a scenario where only goku ends up being the one to beat buu but that doesnt change the fact that it is inconsistent along with other things like them being lightspeed.Yes frieza and cell survived but by no means did they tank those events cell,frieza ,goku and other have recieved damage from planet busters?
Regardless mystic/ultimate gohan is the strongest character within the show
Dbz is great for nostalgic reasons but ppl sometimes act as if its the best written masterpiece when in actuality it isnt.
Cell and Frieza received damage from the Z fighters, not the planet busters.
Goku and Vegeta didn't run from a planet buster, they ran from BUU POWER. Destroying the planet is a SIDE EFFECT. The planet being destroyed doesn't have a thing to do with the power of the blast. If you are applying this rule to DBZ characters, you need to apply it to ALL characters.
Goku and Vegeta couldn't stop Buu blast because Buu put to much POWER into it. Remember, the first blast (do not ignore this part) Buu shot was planet busting and Vegeta deflected it. What does that tell us? That Vegeta and Goku can deflect planet busting power which again goes against your argument. Now the second blast was much more than that. Stop using the Anime as a reference to your claim. And again, it wasn't the explosion that killed anyone, or was it the reason Goku and Vegeta ran, again, it was BUU POWER (Goku even states this... "we cant stop this Vegeta, he is putting too much power into that blast).
WTF man. Vegeta hit Frieza with everything he had, a more powerful Frieza and Frieza tanked it. Vegeta hit Cell with everything he had and Cell tanked it. This is the same Vegeta that destroyed a planet during his weakest. This is my last post to you because everything that I am saying is going over your head. I am about to make a thread on this topic. Hope people like Galan, or others that are familiar with DBZ respond in the thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Cell and Frieza received damage from the Z fighters, not the planet busters.Goku and Vegeta didn't run from a planet buster, they ran from BUU POWER. Destroying the planet is a SIDE EFFECT. The planet being destroyed doesn't have a thing to do with the power of the blast. If you are applying this rule to DBZ characters, you need to apply it to ALL characters.
Goku and Vegeta couldn't stop Buu blast because Buu put to much POWER into it. Remember, the first blast (do not ignore this part) Buu shot was planet busting and Vegeta deflected it. What does that tell us? That Vegeta and Goku can deflect planet busting power which again goes against your argument. Now the second blast was much more than that. Stop using the Anime as a reference to your claim. And again, it wasn't the explosion that killed anyone, or was it the reason Goku and Vegeta ran, again, it was BUU POWER (Goku even states this... "we cant stop this Vegeta, he is putting too much power into that blast).
WTF man. Vegeta hit Frieza with everything he had, a more powerful Frieza and Frieza tanked it. Vegeta hit Cell with everything he had and Cell tanked it. This is the same Vegeta that destroyed a planet during his weakest. This is my last post to you because everything that I am saying is going over your head. I am about to make a thread on this topic. Hope people like Galan, or others that are familiar with DBZ respond in the thread.
So cell didnt recieve a planet busting attack?
Originally posted by carver9
When?
Final flash and instant kamehameha were both considered to be attacks capable of planet busting thats why they had to be shot of at angles that would allow them to leave the atmosphere.its also an example of people weaker than you hurting you. Both times cell lost limbs that is not tanking
Tanking is when you recieve little to no damage whatsoever.