Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sidious ragdolls guards, furthermore chokes the shit out of Savage and Maul.
What makes Palpatine's dominance over the bros so impressive, is that he so easily overpowered them in an area that they each excel at--TK. Both Maul and Savage have ragdolled other force users left and right, among other displays of destructive feats. Maul, in particular, has casually choked Kenobi while at the same time fighting off another jedi. Yet both Maul and Savage together were completely defenseless when Palpatine had them pinned to the wall, despite their extreme effort to break free. Palpatine proved that he could have ended them with TK alone.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Collective forum mehs, lowballs. Claims other team has bias.
You were lowballing Sidious the other day, and insinuated Vitiate was more powerful by bringing up Vitiate's off-panel/off-screen feats, while completely ignoring all of his onscreen combat showings. When it came to Palpatine, you brought up his lower showings while ignoring his better ones, most of which actually happen onscreen/on-panel.
The difference is. Most of the PT fans ignored your claims because they were silly.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What makes Palpatine's dominance over the bros so impressive, is that he so easily overpowered them in an area that they each excel at--TK. Both Maul and Savage have ragdolled other force users left and right, among other displays of destructive feats. Maul, in particular, has casually choked Kenobi while at the same time fighting off another jedi. Yet both Maul and Savage together were completely defenseless when Palpatine had them pinned to the wall, despite their extreme effort to break free. Palpatine proved that he could have ended them with TK alone.
Which I even admitted. So I'm not meh-ing (I liked the showing), I'm not low-balling either.
Meanwhile, Malgus' casual multi-tasking (TKing three individuals, one of which is a considerable Force user while keeping concentration to duel the remaining considerable Force user) is being low-balled and downplayed.
SM, I skimmed the entire thread just now, and I haven't seen anyone lowballing Malgus overpowering powerful force users. In fact, I hardly ever see anyone lowballing characters from that era. But, you, however continuously lowball Sidious, and make claims that Vitiate is more powerful by bringing up feats of his that we know little to nothing about, feats Vitiate doesn't display while he is in actual combat. Combat-wise, Palpatine trumps Vitiate if we compare their actual onscreen combat feats.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
SM, I skimmed the entire thread just now, and I haven't seen anyone lowballing Malgus overpowering powerful force users. In fact, I hardly ever see anyone lowballing characters from that era. But, you, however continuously lowball Sidious, and make claims that Vitiate is more powerful by bringing up feats of his that we know little to nothing about, feats Vitiate doesn't display while he is in actual combat. Combat-wise, Palpatine trumps Vitiate if we compare their actual onscreen combat feats.
So basically you're saying:
"I don't see what you're claiming, and you don't debate in my favor normally; therefore, you are wrong."
I'm not debating Palps v. Vitiate here. Don't sidetrack.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So basically you're saying:"I don't see what you're claiming, and you don't debate in my favor normally; therefore, you are wrong."
No, I'm saying that Vitiate's most impressive feats are either via a ritual, or things we don't even see. He didn't one shot Revan or Hot. His best combat showing that we actually get to see, is him defeating four jedi masters with lightning, which didn't happen in one-shot, it was two prolonged shots, with some of the jedi tanking it for some seconds. Don't get me wrong, it is impressive, and it's a display of force dominance that only an extremely powerful force user can pull off.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm not debating Palps v. Vitiate here. Don't sidetrack.
I know you're not. I just want to know why you continuously accuse others of lowballing when you do the same. And when you do do it, no one really complains about it as you are doing here.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, I'm saying that most impressive feats are either via a ritual, or things we don't even see. He didn't one shot Revan or Hot. His best combat that we actually get to see, is him defeating four jedi masters with lightning, which didn't happen in one-shot, it was two prolonged shot, with some of the jedi tanking it for some seconds. Don't get me wrong, it is impressive, and it's a display of force dominance that only an extremely powerful force user can pull off.
K.
I know you're not.
Then why bring it up?
I just want to know why you continuously accuse others of lowballing when you do the same. And when you do do it, no one really complains about it as you are doing here.
As he complains.
Lowballing EU characters is damn near endemic in this place, bro. But if the same happens to movie characters, by god, it's a tragedy and the offender is a vile person.
Let's cut to the point:
1. Do you, after having perused the argument at hand, think that Malgus' feat is not comparable to the one of Sidious' that I both used as an example and did not lowball?
2. If no, why specifically?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Then why bring it up?
I just explained why.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Lowballing EU characters is damn near endemic in this place, bro. But if the same happens to movie characters, by god, it's a tragedy and the offender is a vile person.
I don't see it. In fact, Tempest (a PT fan) holds Revan on a higher level than Dooku, and personally I don't see how. So tell me which users do the lowballing?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Do you, after having perused the argument at hand, think that Malgus' feat is [b]not comparable to the one of Sidious' that I both used as an example and did not lowball?[/B]
So far, no. Palpatine wasn't trying, really, and if he was, he could have ended them in seconds with just the force. While I was under the impression that Malgus was trying to kill his opponents. I need more feats from the force user Malgus did overpower. For all I know, Maul's feat of choking Kenobi while fighting off other jedi might be comparable, and we know Maul is a bug to Sidious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I need more feats from the force user Malgus did overpower.
My Hero of Tython respect thread.
Barsen'thor Respect thread
Darth Nox Respect thread.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ's Emperor's Wrath Respect thread.
It was one of these guys.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Consider the analogy in a general sense:It is an impressive feat that Sidious has accomplished (I even thought it was a badass high showing) and no one low-balls it or poo-poos it.
Malgus does something similar (and to be fair, either Nox or the Emperor's Wrath are better Force users than Maul or especially Savage) and there's a considerable amount of nay-saying, downplaying, etc.
That's a double-standard. Whether or not you think I'm talking directly to you is quite frankly, irrelevant (I'm not; I didn't have you in mind) The [b]general
point still stands. A large majority of SW fans are film fans first, and will always favor film continuity over EU.I don't share that viewpoint. Amusingly, I have been accused of hating film continuity, but this is bogus. The OT is for me, the purest form of Star Wars, and although I have some major issues with the PT (if only from years of analyzing it on these forums) I still read and enjoyed a good bit of PT EU, as well as watching all of the PT films many, many times.
I just don't see the point of coming to an EU sub-forum and belittling any combatant the moment he/she comes into conflict with a movie character. It's kind of boring and thought-terminating. I also think that a lot of these EU champions, villains and so on are meant to be comparable to movie champions and villains and are sometimes colored with themes or motifs to remind us of that fact. To write them off as inferior because they aren't in live-motion or they "exist in a video game" makes me ask "Why even include the characters in the first place if you aren't willing to discuss them objectively?"
So, take that for what you will. This is not my first time in a SW forum, and certainly not my first time debating with other people on the internet of all places. I'm just not rushing to sugar-coat my observations when the bullshit continues unabated. [/B]
"Applauds."
Well said.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I just explained why.I don't see it. In fact, Tempest (a PT fan) holds Revan on a higher level than Dooku, and personally I don't see how. So tell me which users do the lowballing?
So far, no. Palpatine wasn't trying, really, and if he was, he could have ended them in seconds with just the force. While I was under the impression that Malgus was trying to kill his opponents. I need more feats from the force user Malgus did overpower. For all I know, Maul's feat of choking Kenobi while fighting off other jedi might be comparable, and we know Maul is a bug to Sidious.
Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus can overwhelm both with his Force powers and bag a win.
NewGuy01 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 07:00 PM:
Descrption of the Dome:"In the ruined archive hall of LiMerge Power's plasma facility, Count Dooku waited for Kenobi and Skywalker to arrive. The room was enormous by any standard, thirty meters high and three times that in circumference."
-Laybrinth of Evil
Anakin collapses the Dome:
"But if it was a demonstration of Force ability Dooku wanted, then Anakin was still more than willing to provide it. "Dooku!" he howled, with such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse."
-Laybrinth of Evil
Dooku hyping the feat:
"Dragging himself out from under plasteel girders and chunks of ferrocrete, Count Dooku came shakily to his feet and gazed in astonished disbelief at the shambles of the control room. Had the containment dome been so weak that it had succumbed to flurries of ricocheting blaster bolts, or had Skywalker's voiced rage actually called the ceiling down? Had Dooku not leapt forcefully at the last moment, he might have been buried, as the two Jedi were, somewhere below, in the expanse of rubble that covered the archive room. He was certain that they had survived. But if nothing else they were trapped, which had been the intent from the start. But Skywalker...
Assuming that he had grown powerful enough to have collapsed the dome, the end result was simply further evidence that he would someday undo himself. Wasn't it? Because admitting to any alternative explanation meant accepting that Skywalker was potentially a greater threat to the Sith than anyone realized."
-Laybrinth of Evil
Malgus is not taking Anakin, let alone Anakin with Kenobi.