Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Guess what? This is my thread, and I'm banning OCW feats.
I've seen it. He destroys its supports and takes his sweet ass time doing it too. He's no Barsen'thor.
So are the other people Malgus has fought and beaten.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
You downplayed the feat heavily. You said it was the side of a basketball court...you are wrong. A regulation court is 94 feet long and 54 feet wide.The building is 100 feet high and nearly 300 feet wide. To give you a comparison if you laid the Statue of Liberty down it would fit in this dome. That's WAY more impressive than pulling down two generic buildings.
Nope, its 300 feet IN CIRCUMFERENCE!
"In the ruined archive hall of LiMerge Power's plasma facility, Count Dooku waited for Kenobi and Skywalker to arrive. The room was enormous by any standard, thirty meters high and three times that in circumference."
Circumference is the distance around a circle. This is a dome we're talking about here. And the diameter of a circle is about a 3rd of its circumference. The diameter is the width of a circle. Therefore the actual width of the dome at all points is only 100 feet, a little over the length of a basketball court!
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope, its 300 feet IN CIRCUMFERENCE!Circumference is the distance around a circle. This is a dome we're talking about here. And the diameter of a circle is about a 3rd of its circumference. The diameter is the width of a circle. Therefore the actual width of the dome at all points is only 100 feet, a little over the length of a basketball court!
LOL I thought it said diameter.
28 meter diameter it is then. Whatever.
It could still fit this inside of it. That's still far more impressive than what? A 3 story building thrown on Malgus. That 30 m dome is as tall as a 10 story building and far wider.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin didn't destroy the building though, he just made the roof begin to collapse. How tall it was is irrelevant.Also it was 2 buildings on Malgus.
Lol he collapsed the 30 m high dome mate. He pretty much destroyed it.
Two 3 story buildings are still WAY smaller than a single 10 story building.
No, he damaged it enough for it to collapse under its own weight. Theres a difference.
Meanwhile, the Zabrak Jedi pulled down 2 buildings onto the street between them. Damaging a roof and causing it to give in and pulling down the whole building sideways is an extremely different thing. Give me a hammer and I can bash in my roof, but I can't push my house over. Especially so with a dome. Damaging a lower part of a dome could cause the whole thing to fall apart.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he damaged it enough for it to collapse under its own weight. Theres a difference.Meanwhile, the Zabrak Jedi pulled down 2 buildings onto the street between them. Damaging a roof and causing it to give in and pulling down the whole building sideways is an extremely different thing. Give me a hammer and I can bash in my roof, but I can't push my house over. Especially so with a dome. Damaging a lower part of a dome could cause the whole thing to fall apart.
Prove it collapsed under its own weight, prove that the buildings' foundations were stable. Prove that they were more than two stories high.
Because let me tell you, pulling down two unstable two story buildings in a warzone is far less impressive than collapsing a dome as tall as a 10 story building and as wide as it is tall.
Yeah, in the long run Malgus could give Anakin a very close fight, but he's not going to win for a majority.
Anakin's TK feats are better than Malgus's. Ragdolling Assaj Ventress's is better than ragdolling no-name mooks. Collapsing a 30 meter tall dome with a scream is better than shattering a column of stone with a scream. Ripping down an enormous signal tower by ripping apart it's supports is better than blowing away a building's worth of rubble. The difference isn't immense, but Anakin is the greater.
And I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the opponents Malgus bested in Decieved are remotely comparable to Tyranus.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, in the long run Malgus could give Anakin a very close fight, but he's not going to win for a majority.Anakin's TK feats are better than Malgus's. Ragdolling Assaj Ventress's is better than ragdolling no-name mooks. Collapsing a 30 meter tall dome with a scream is better than shattering a column of stone with a scream. Ripping down an enormous signal tower by ripping apart it's supports is better than blowing away a building's worth of rubble. The difference isn't immense, but Anakin is the greater.
And I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the opponents Malgus bested in Decieved are remotely comparable to Tyranus.
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
Prove it collapsed under its own weight, prove that the buildings' foundations were stable. Prove that they were more than two stories high.Because let me tell you, pulling down two unstable two story buildings in a warzone is far less impressive than collapsing a dome as tall as a 10 story building and as wide as it is tall.
That's the meaning of the word 'collapse'. Just look at the quote:
"Dooku!" he howled, with such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse."
It says that the ceiling began to collapse. It doesn't say that Anakin shattered the ceiling or destroyed the dome. All that is said is that the ceiling itself began to collapse.
Unless you have proof that it didn't collapse like I said and was merely damaged by Anakin enough to cause that, I think thats all.
Oh, so now its two story buildings, huh? We don't know how big those buildings are, but they would need to be at least 3 story buildings to fall on top of Malgus in the middle of the street. I proved this by walking outside my house and looking at my own two-story building and it wouldn't be able to reach the middle of the road if it fell over, much less bury someone in rubble so high they have to force jump out of wreakage even after blowing rubble into adjacent buildings. Besides which, its described that there is a 'mountain' of rubble on top of Malgus. And the street was large enough for a shuttle to land in.
As for the buildings stability, the only mention of damage is the windows being shattered. Hardly foundational damage. Also foundational damage would only be relevant if the building collapsed downwards. The foundations have nothing to do with this.
I disagree. Its easily as impressive, if not more. In the case of the dome, its own weight would do much of the work. Some large cracks would bring the whole thing down. The height of the building only works against it in this regard. 😉 That's a lot of roof that needs support, heh. Any damage to that support would cause it to crumble. In comparison the Zabrak pulled two large buildings down into the street. Its an extremely impressive feat. Yet Malgus one-shot the guy while wounded, far from his peak.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, in the long run Malgus could give Anakin a very close fight, but he's not going to win for a majority.
I can't believe you're saying that with a straight face.
Yeah man, the PT era is just that good that Malgus ragdolling 3 of its greatest fighters while dueling another is just average in comparison. 🙄
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Anakin's TK feats are better than Malgus's.
No.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Ragdolling Assaj Ventress's is better than ragdolling no-name mooks.
That is easily the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen you say. So now the Hero of Tython, The Barsen'thor, Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath are 'no-name mooks', huh?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Collapsing a 30 meter tall dome with a scream is better than shattering a column of stone with a scream.
That alone is true. But irrelevant.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Ripping down an enormous signal tower by ripping apart it's supports is better than blowing away a building's worth of rubble.
The difference is that Anakin took a good minute to perform that feat whereas the Zabarak Jedi pulled down those buildings in seconds. Malgus was running full-pelt down the street yet the buildings still fell on him. So unless the buildings were huge, it could only have taken a few seconds. And Malgus still one-shot the guy with lightning. While Malgus was covered in wounds that would never recover and force him to use life-support. Before Malgus received a massive boost in Decieved. 15 years before his prime.
Hell, watch the damn episode. Anakin destroy ONE strut of ONE support structure and the rest gives out in response. Anakin stops using the Force after that one piece of metal snaps and then the rest breaks afterwards.
Also, they were at the bottom of the ocean. The pressure by itself would do half the work for Skywalker.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The difference isn't immense, but Anakin is the greater.
The difference isn't immense, but it is great. In Malgus' favor.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
And I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the opponents Malgus bested in Decieved are remotely comparable to Tyranus.
Aryn Leneer throwing a 6 car cargo tram is about as good as any TK feat the Count has performed. Also she blocked Malgus' lightning in mid-air. The same lightning that blew holes through that Zabrak Jedi's chest after overwhelming his lightsaber defense.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]That's the meaning of the word 'collapse'. Just look at the quote:"Dooku!" he howled, with such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse."
That's even more impressive. The fact that he brought the dome down without taking out the supports means it collapsed due to Anakin's power not structural instability. If a dome collapses in from the top it'd take more than just the top falling in to collapse the whole structure.
It says that the ceiling began to collapse. It doesn't say that Anakin shattered the ceiling or destroyed the dome. All that is said is that the ceiling itself began to collapse.
Unless you have proof that it didn't collapse like I said and was merely damaged by Anakin enough to cause that, I think thats all.
Still far more impressive than the two buildings.
Oh, so now its two story buildings, huh? We don't know how big those buildings are, but they would need to be at least 3 story buildings to fall on top of Malgus in the middle of the street. I proved this by walking outside my house and looking at my own two-story building and it wouldn't be able to reach the middle of the road if it fell over, much less bury someone in rubble so high they have to force jump out of wreakage even after blowing rubble into adjacent buildings. Besides which, its described that there is a 'mountain' of rubble on top of Malgus. And the street was large enough for a shuttle to land in.As for the buildings stability, the only mention of damage is the windows being shattered. Hardly foundational damage. Also foundational damage would only be relevant if the building collapsed downwards. The foundations have nothing to do with this.
I disagree. Its easily as impressive, if not more. In the case of the dome, its own weight would do much of the work. Some large cracks would bring the whole thing down. The height of the building only works against it in this regard. 😉 That's a lot of roof that needs support, heh. Any damage to that support would cause it to crumble. In comparison the Zabrak pulled two large buildings down into the street. Its an extremely impressive feat. Yet Malgus one-shot the guy while wounded, far from his peak.
Not as impressive dude. Look at the structure of a dome. In order for it to collapse entirely it would take more than just the ceiling falling. Otherwise the dome would just fall into the building, on the contrary the entire structure collapsed.
I can't believe you're saying that with a straight face.Yeah man, the PT era is just that good that Malgus ragdolling 3 of its greatest fighters while dueling another is just average in comparison. 🙄
Gameplay is non-canon, and without any confirmation from the developers that this is an exception, you have nothing to combat that.
No.
Oh, but they are.
That is easily the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen you say. So now the Hero of Tython, The Barsen'thor, Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath are 'no-name mooks', huh?
I was referring to the Zabrak Jedi and the Padawan from the Decieved Novel. The feat you're desperately relying on is an attack Malgus uses in gameplay, which isn't canon--Unless apparently, Nephthys declares it so. 🙄
That alone is true. But irrelevant.
Don't see how, it's a good indicator of their comparative raw power.
So unless the buildings were huge, it could only have taken a few seconds. And Malgus still one-shot the guy with lightning. While Malgus was covered in wounds that would never recover and force him to use life-support.
1.) That's exactly the point, there is no indicator that the building is any bigger than a house. Also, the fact that Malgus overcame this Jedi Master with lightning is completely unrelated to his TK power, I don't see the relevance of this in the conversation.
2.) Come on. It's been established on many occasions that pain fuels the Dark Side's power, there's no reason his Force strength would be any lesser, especially because it's the best lightning feat he has.
Aryn Leneer throwing a 6 car cargo tram is about as good as any TK feat the Count has performed. Also she blocked Malgus' lightning in mid-air. The same lightning that blew holes through that Zabrak Jedi's chest after overwhelming his lightsaber defense. [/B]
I was referring to the Count's skill with a blade, but I'd still argue Dooku flooring Ventress with a finger and lifting dozens of Obelisk stones is no less impressive than that, and again--Malgus was never able to overpower Leneer with TK.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Gameplay is non-canon, and without any confirmation from the developers that this is an exception, you have nothing to combat that.
Gameplay mechanics are non-canon. Malgus ragdolling the team is a scripted event, put there purposefully by the developers as part of the fight as it is meant to occur. Text even appears on the screen to tell you that it is taking place. 😬
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Oh, but they are.
It doesn't look like it to me.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I was referring to the Zabrak Jedi and the Padawan from the Decieved Novel. The feat you're desperately relying on is an attack Malgus uses in gameplay, which isn't canon--Unless apparently, Nephthys declares it so. 🙄
Ah. The Zabrak Jedi isn't from the Deceived novel. Its from a short story called The Third Lesson which takes place 4 years before Deceived.
Also, that Zabrak guy is pretty ****ing powerful for a "mook". Just the caliber of the TOR era, I guess, that a Jedi that powerful doesn't even get a name. Dude was a badass too, he survived Malgus blowing holes in his chest.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Don't see how, it's a good indicator of their comparative raw power.
I'll note that Anakin was very angry at the time that he performed that feat.
Anyway, its not as indicative as you think. Malgus' Force Scream just isn;t as powerful as his other abilities. He does wear a respirator because his throat is damaged, after all. 😉
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1.) That's exactly the point, there is no indicator that the building is any bigger than a house. Also, the fact that Malgus overcame this Jedi Master with lightning is completely unrelated to his TK power, I don't see the relevance of this in the conversation.2.) Come on. It's been established on many occasions that pain fuels the Dark Side's power, there's no reason his Force strength would be any lesser, especially because it's the best lightning feat he has.
1.) Yes there is, Malgus was in the middle of the street yet the buildings covered him in a mountain of rubble that was so high he had to Force jump out even after blowing tons of it away. The buildings would need to be sizable indeed for that to happen, as the street Malgus was on was large enough to land a shuttle in.
Besides, Alderaan buildings tend to be large. If you look at the Hope trailer:
At 0.34 and 5.04 you can see either of the cities that I believe Malgus goes to after his fight with Satele. Notice how freaking giant the buildings are. Those are the buildings that Malgus had dropped on him. I think this establishes a pretty good baseline for the feat. 😉
The Jedi's TK power shows that he's exceptionally powerful, so its a safe assumption he'd be similarly badass in other areas. And you're ignoring that the Jedi had a lightsaber, which makes blocking lightning easier. Yet Malgus still blew through his lightsaber defense and one-shot him.
2.) Maybe, but it would be offset by him using the Force to allow himself to continue to fight and ignore the damage to his body. Also, that's not his best lightning feat. His best lightning feat is this:
1.00. Considering that team is composed of Darth Nox, who swatted Darth Thanaton's lightning aside like a bug and walked through his Lightning Storm and the Emperor's Wrath who blocked Darth Baras' lightning and shot it back at him, thats an amazing feat. As well as Cipher 9 and the Champ who have energy shields and excellent protective gear.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I was referring to the Count's skill with a blade, but I'd still argue Dooku flooring Ventress with a finger and lifting dozens of Obelisk stones is no less impressive than that, and again--Malgus was never able to overpower Leneer with TK.
That's why I said its equal to anything Dooku has done.
Also, Malgus does overpower her actually:
“Your Master was not,” Malgus said, grunting, and shoved her with a telekinetic blast of such force that she flew backward and slammed into the rock and bubble. She used the Force to cushion the impact, but she still landed on her back and the impact blew the breath from her lungs."
"Despite his wound, the Sith slapped aside Aryn’s Force-hold on the blade and snatched it out of the air, as quick as a sand viper."
"Malgus bounced up from the somersault and loosed a telekinetic blast that lifted Aryn from her feet and blew her across the hangar. She slammed into one of the shuttle’s bulkheads, but used the Force to cushion the blow so that it did no harm."
And it goes without saying that Malgus drastically improves after this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would the center collapse instead of the bottom, the part that's closest to Anakin and would be most affected by his scream?
Okay then by that logic the Jedi could have just destabilized the foundation of the building and made it collapse. Anakin's feat is still more impressive no matter how you shake it. Especially considering his was with his voice.