Originally posted by Stealth Moose
[B]But she is not equivalent to a Dark Council member, is noticeably inferior to every other Sith in the PT in the Force, and is barely a Dark jedi with a few years' training.
She is a Sith at her peak. Sidious ordered Tyranus to kill her for the same reason he had Vader kill Galen Marek. Kit Fisto is one of the Order's finest swordsman, but was no match for Ventress (who was not even at her peak). Ventress also is able to fend off both Kenobi and Skywalker at one point.
Dooku's lightning is noticeably smaller and weaker than Sidious' and Thanaton's (the latter can conjure entire storms in combat) and is deflected with little effort. Comparatively, Sidious' lightning, even when holding back, staggers Mace Windu. There's a huge disparity there.
Actually in the most recent depiction of it, his lightning is of similar size of Sidious'
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Tbh, TK is Dooku's Force strength, not lightning. He spams it, but he doesn't generate much power behind it, which makes sense because he hasn't been a Sith his whole life.
Except he KOs Ventress and 2 others with it while blind and drugged, KOs Bulq, KOs Anakin...
But he doesn't no-sell Force Storms from Dark Council members, does he? Nox walks through shit.You're underselling the TOR team here.
Nox does it on a nexus...and also we've never seen how powerful Dooku's lightning is on a nexus. But during the Yoda ritual it was of similar intensity to Sidious'
Originally posted by Lord Stark
She is a Sith at her peak.
No, she's not. She flat out tells Dooku in Dark Rendezvous that he should take her as a true Sith apprentice. She is explicitly called a Dark Jedi in most EU materials.
Sidious ordered Tyranus to kill her for the same reason he had Vader kill Galen Marek.
He's a stickler for rules? Also, relevance?
Kit Fisto is one of the Order's finest swordsman,
Who is on par with AotC Obi-Wan and can't block more than four swings by Sidious.
but was no match for Ventress (who was not even at her peak). Ventress also is able to fend off both Kenobi and Skywalker at one point.
Yeah, but none of this speaks to her Force talent or knowledge, which is key to the discussion. "She is good; therefore, the feat is good" is not logical.
Actually in the most recent depiction of it, his lightning is of similar size of Sidious'
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Doesn't change the fact that his lightning is inferior to Thanaton's.
Nox > Thanaton by a large margin.
Except he KOs Ventress and 2 others with it while blind and drugged, KOs Bulq, KOs Anakin...
Yeah, none of them bonafide Sith Lords in long standing.
Relevance?
Nox does it on a nexus...
Thanaton's lightning is done beforehand off of Korriban. Also, the narration makes it explicit that it is Nox's own power, amped by the souls she keeps locked inside, that allow her to smite Thanaton; not the dirt under her feet.
You're downplaying again, using a nexus as a write-off method.
and also we've never seen how powerful Dooku's lightning is on a nexus.
So it's irrelevant to the discussion.
But during the Yoda ritual it was of similar intensity to Sidious'
But he doesn't do that all the time.
Again, relevance. You're just slinging shit out and hoping it sticks.
Nox >>> Thanaton, nexus or no.
Thanaton's Force knowledge, experience, power >>>>>>>> Ventress.
Arguably, Thanaton > Dooku.
Therefore, Nox > Dooku.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
No, she's not. She flat out tells Dooku in Dark Rendezvous that he should take her as a true Sith apprentice. She is explicitly called a Dark Jedi in most EU materials.
Which he does after Dark Rendezvous...or did you miss the whole
"You are no longer my apprentice" bit in TCWs.
He's a stickler for rules? Also, relevance?
Nope. He senses her growing powerful, that's why he orders her dead. Note he didn't do so with Sora Bulq or any of Dooku's other acolytes.
Who is on par with AotC Obi-Wan and can't block more than four swings by Sidious.
Please, AOTCs Kenobi can't even follow Kit's movements and admitted inferiority to him.
Yeah, but none of this speaks to her Force talent or knowledge, which is key to the discussion. "She is good; therefore, the feat is good" is not logical.
How about force choking Kenobi and Skywalker?
Doesn't change the fact that his lightning is inferior to Thanaton's.Nox > Thanaton by a large margin.
How does similar in intensity and power to Sidious' translate to inferior to Thanaton?
Yeah, none of them bonafide Sith Lords in long standing.Relevance?
"This is Anakin Skywalker, the most powerful Jedi of his generation, of perhaps any generation."
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive."
Bulq is among the Order's finest.
Thanaton's lightning is done beforehand off of Korriban. Also, the narration makes it explicit that it is Nox's own power, amped by the souls she keeps locked inside, that allow her to smite Thanaton; not the dirt under her feet.
Obviously Nox's power played a huge part, but to say the Nexus didn't play a part is ridiculous.
Example:
Dooku can dominate Ventress on any day with the force, on Vjun however he does it with a finger.
You're downplaying again, using a nexus as a write-off method.
Not really. Thanaton gives Nox a pretty good fight on Corellia and yet gets utterly stomped on Korriban. The difference being setting imo.
So it's irrelevant to the discussion.
No quite relevant because in the presence of Sidious (who's pretty much a nexus on his own) his lightning is depicted as on par with the Dark Lord's.
But he doesn't do that all the time.Again, relevance. You're just slinging shit out and hoping it sticks.
Nox >>> Thanaton, nexus or no.
Thanaton's Force knowledge, experience, power >>>>>>>> Ventress.
Arguably, Thanaton > Dooku.
Therefore, Nox > Dooku.
Nox>Thanaton on neutral ground as shown on Corellia.
Nox>>Thanaton on Korriban.
Thanaton gets his shit pushed in by Tyranus. Dooku will get in close to him with his Makashi and pwn.
Also the point wasn't that Dooku destroyed Ventress, its the ease at which he does so; far easier than Nox pwns Thanaton.