Vader. From throwing ships +20 meter in length, collapsing cathedrals, ripping apart gigantic robots, controlling winds with Alter Environment, inducing fear into imperial officers, communicating with with animals with Beast Control, using Deflection to block lightsabers, using Barrier to block torrents of blaster bolts, using Drain Knowledge on Luke to gain information about Leia, he is just vastly more powerful. More than that, he has physically broken crystalline binders, ripped apart nets, torn off a durasteel door from its hinges, deflected fire from turrets, formed a shield out of his lightsaber, generated afterimages, survived high level voltage nets, survived explosions, survivedg having cathedrals dropped on him etc., he has the physical edge as well. And lastly, he was even with ANH Kenobi, more or less even with Marek, more or less even with Roan Shryne, beat several no name Jedi in groups etc., all several years before he drastically improved his lightsaber skill. He has the dueling edge as well.
Overall, Vader wins very comfortably. He is more powerful, more versatile, more physically capable, and more skillful.
Krayt pwns.
In terms of lightsabers he gave a good fight to post-RotS Kenobi, well well before his prime. He certainly has the edge in speed, from him blitzing those 4 Imperial Knights in a weakened condition. So I think Krayt holds the advantage in terms of bladework. In terms of the Force Vader has the TK edge but thats it and even then, I don't think Vader is gonna stomp him with it or anything. Krayt was shown tossing around Cade, who could throw starships, pwn Talon and tank a base exploding around him. Krayt holds the advantage in all other areas. His lightning can shatter stone and will pose a significant threat to Vaders armor. He has extremely potent telepathy, able to shake off Wyyrloks assault as well as announce his presence to every Sith in the galaxy. He also has very powerful Force Drain, able to affect Abeloth (and Luke iirc).
Lastly he has his ace in the hole, Dark Transfer which imo would severely **** Vader over. Vader is covered in injuries, which DK would burst and kill Skywalker swiftly with. And since Krayt holds the advantage in speed, he'll be capable of getting in close and putting his hands on Vader to pull it off. Vader has no means of defending himself fro this and it would allow Krayt to defeat him comfortably.
For this fight, a good comparison might be found in their fights against Celeste Morne. Of course, Krayt became much more powerful after that.
Also please is Vader vastly more powerful. Krayt was powerful enough that Luke thought he could serve as his counterpart on the Throne of Balance. Krayt is immensely powerful.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader. From throwing ships +20 meter in length, collapsing cathedrals, ripping apart gigantic robots, controlling winds with Alter Environment, inducing fear into imperial officers, communicating with with animals with Beast Control, using Deflection to block lightsabers, using Barrier to block torrents of blaster bolts, using Drain Knowledge on Luke to gain information about Leia, he is just vastly more powerful. More than that, he has physically broken crystalline binders, ripped apart nets, torn off a durasteel door from its hinges, deflected fire from turrets, formed a shield out of his lightsaber, generated afterimages, survived high level voltage nets, survived explosions, survivedg having cathedrals dropped on him etc., he has the physical edge as well. And lastly, he was even with ANH Kenobi, more or less even with Marek, more or less even with Roan Shryne, beat several no name Jedi in groups etc., all several years before he drastically improved his lightsaber skill. He has the dueling edge as well.Overall, Vader wins very comfortably. He is more powerful, more versatile, more physically capable, and more skillful.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Krayt pwns.In terms of lightsabers he gave a good fight to post-RotS Kenobi, well well before his prime. He certainly has the edge in speed, from him blitzing those 4 Imperial Knights in a weakened condition. So I think Krayt holds the advantage in terms of bladework. In terms of the Force Vader has the TK edge but thats it and even then, I don't think Vader is gonna stomp him with it or anything. Krayt was shown tossing around Cade, who could throw starships, pwn Talon and tank a base exploding around him. Krayt holds the advantage in all other areas. His lightning can shatter stone and will pose a significant threat to Vaders armor. He has extremely potent telepathy, able to shake off Wyyrloks assault as well as announce his presence to every Sith in the galaxy. He also has very powerful Force Drain, able to affect Abeloth (and Luke iirc).
Lastly he has his ace in the hole, Dark Transfer which imo would severely **** Vader over. Vader is covered in injuries, which DK would burst and kill Skywalker swiftly with. And since Krayt holds the advantage in speed, he'll be capable of getting in close and putting his hands on Vader to pull it off. Vader has no means of defending himself fro this and it would allow Krayt to defeat him comfortably.
For this fight, a good comparison might be found in their fights against Celeste Morne. Of course, Krayt became much more powerful after that.
Also please is Vader vastly more powerful. Krayt was powerful enough that Luke thought he could serve as his counterpart on the Throne of Balance. Krayt is immensely powerful.
Slicing his arm off before Krayt can grab him?
Dark Transfer is weak stuff imo. A lightsaber alone is effective enough to kill 99% of people if used properly, and it has the advantages of reach, and not leaving a limb compeltely exposed, over dark transfer.
If you're quick enough to tag someone, you're certainly quick enough to prod them with a stick.
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Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader was far from his prime too.Vader wills himself back from the death like he has before, then backstabs Krayt when he's cleaning his Vong armor for dust.
Which Vader are you talking about? The unstable Vader who fought Kenobi on Mustafar or the Vader who fought Old Ben on the Death Star? Vader refined his technique, but that doesn't equal Krayts boost in power and speed.
Krayt doesn't wear Vong armor anymore and Vader hasn't ever willed himself back from the dead. He willed himself to survive his wounds, but he did not die. Vader isn't coming back after Krayt puts him down.
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Slicing his arm off before Krayt can grab him?Dark Transfer is weak stuff imo. A lightsaber alone is effective enough to kill 99% of people if used properly, and it has the advantages of reach, and not leaving a limb compeltely exposed, over dark transfer.
If you're quick enough to tag someone, you're certainly quick enough to prod them with a stick.
Vader can't do that though.
Duelists find it far easier to strike each other with their fists or feet than they do with a lightsaber though. Countless duels have proven that. All Krayt has to do is lock blades with Vader then grab his arm.
Or Krayt could overpower Vader with lightning in order to get him open to use DK, as he did against Cade.
Okay. Vader refining his lightsaber form doesn't detract from the fact that he's still rather slow and clunky. Krayt would run rings around him with his Jar'Kai and superior speed.
And your initial point is rather lacking. Kenobi was greatly diminished as well in ANH. Vader being even to him isn't even as impressive as Hett giving a good fight to RotS Kenobi.
Becoming more skilled is that same thing as refining his lightsaber technique, genius. He's still no match for Krayt's speed and lightsaber style.
Lolwut? Luke was still a a baby at the time, it was months after RotS. Kenobi wouldn't be out of practice by that point at all. Vader fought a Kenobi who was faaaaaaar more out of practice than Hett did, and only stalemated him. Also lolwut, environmental advantage? You crack me up sometimes.