Darth Vader VS Darth Krayt

Originally posted by Intrepid37
A lion in water is more significant than Kenobi fighting in an environment that ''far'' favors his opponent because Nephthys says so. Lmfao.

We can use the analogy with tigers instead of lions. Unlike lions, tigers enjoy water, but the crocodile is still more dangerous in it than the tiger is. Thus, it still has a considerable advantage.

He still lost to Sing.

You're obviously trolling me, but if I must explain to you why having to push your legs through water is more of a significant disadvantage than sand then I will. Oh wait I just did. You've never tried to run through water? Its freaking hard. It significantly hampers your mobility unlike sand.

He beat Sing, dingdong.

You missed that those animals are vastly stronger and more powerful than you are. And tigers enjoy water.

Through a cheap shot. She beat her initially and was very obviously the better fighter.

You mean just like how Obi-Wan has abilities and training to condensate for any impaired ability fighting on loose sand? Tigers enjoy water, they don't fight it. Crocodiles evolved to be able to quickly strike through the water and can move in it far far easier than tigers can.

Nah.

I don't know about Sing all I know is Vader stomps Krayt via better dueling and force feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Celeste Morne was tapping into Muur's power to fight Krayt (and was still losing) as he senses:

Not the entire duel. In fact, during part of the duel, Muur was trying to convince her to let him take over, and she was trying to fight off Murrs temptation, while holding her own against Krayt.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She wasn't doing the same vs Vader and was in fact being actively distracted by Muur during her fight.

She was being distracted by him during her duel with Krayt as well. And she did tap into the talisman during her duel with Vader. That's how she turned his troops into rakghouls.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Besides, wasn't Krayt weakening from the Vong growths at that time?

I think he was handling the Vong growths better than when he faced the four IKs, which makes me question how good the knights were. If blitzing knights puts him above Vader in terms of speed, then he'd had done much better against Celeste, which he didn't. Plus, as I said, Vader was still fairly early in his years as a sith during his fight with Moorne. And considering Krayt didn't show much improvement after his resurrection, then I don't see how he is better than peak Vader.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, Wyyrlok couldn't. Krayt states clearly that it wasn't Wyyrloks trap, it was his:

Perhaps Krayt knew Wyyrlok would underestimate him, and Krayt pretended to be weaker than he actually was.

Are you seriously suggesting that Wyyrlok didn't have a chance at striking a killing blow when he had Krayt down? Also, are you suggesting that Wyyrlok didn't put Krayt down with his sorcery, and Krayt purposely fell on his knees?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its then revealed that Krayt has his lightsabers (where he didn't on the last page) and is sticking them through Wyyrlok's chest. So either Krayt was quick enough to pick up, activate and bury his lightsabers into Wyyrlok before Wyyrlok could twitch in response, or [b]Krayt was actually fooling him with an illusion and killed him while Wyyrlok thought he had the upper hand. [/B]

Could be the case, but why go out of his way to do all of that? Considering that the comic shows us what Krayt's mind was visualizing, I really don't see that as being the case. Perhaps after Krayt broke free from the trance, may have retaliated with a counter illusion to trick Wyyrlok in to believing that he was disarmed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean just like how Obi-Wan has abilities and training to condensate for any impaired ability fighting on loose sand? Tigers enjoy water, they don't fight it. Crocodiles evolved to be able to quickly strike through the water and can move in it far far easier than tigers can.

Nah.

Nope, tigers hunt in it if need be. And really, I can keep these analogies coming all day long. Jaguars enjoy water and fight in water, but it's still at a disadvantage against a sufficient big caiman. So on and so forth.

Did you even read the fight or are you going off someones description?

I think he's going off his own description.

Originally posted by Nephthys

How does Vader get around Dark Transfer?

He doesn't let Krayt bear-hug him. His mastery of *that* strategy is too great to be undermined by it.

Sigh debating tires me so I'll just reiterate that I think that Vader should win.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He doesn't let Krayt bear-hug him. His mastery of *that* strategy is too great to be undermined by it.

It doesn't require a bear hug. Krayt placed one hand on Cade's chest to use it.

Doesn't all it take to die from Dark transfer is being touched? Krayt is undoubtedly faster than Vader, and Vader's defense as formidable as it is isn't 100% (he had his arms crushed by Luke, and got beaten up by Maul's doppelganger). While Vader may be a slightly better duelist, it really just takes one touch IMO.

I don't know who'd win this, Krayt is faster, has enough strength to withstand Vader's onslaught, and while he has weaker TK (arguably) his speed makes up for it where Vader's speed feats are massively inconsistent.

Vader isn't inconsistent at all.

I said his speed was. I don't doubt Vader's skill/power.

I know you meant speed.

Vader's speed feats are inconsistent? Lol.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not the entire duel. In fact, during part of the duel, Muur was trying to convince her to let him take over, and she was trying to fight off Murrs temptation, while holding her own against Krayt.

Doesn't the fight start with Morne using Muur's sorcery to command the rakghouls to attack? How do you know she wasn't tapping into Muur's power from the start? Hell, as I recall Muur claims at one point to have always been in control.

My memory of when I saw the fight posted is foggy, can you or anyone else post the entire fight of Celeste vs Krayt?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
She was being distracted by him during her duel with Krayt as well. And she did tap into the talisman during her duel with Vader. That's how she turned his troops into rakghouls.

I don't know that she was being distracted in that duel. And no, I don't think she was tapping into the talisman vs Vader. Vader retreat immediately after that. Thats the end of the fight.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I think he was handling the Vong growths better than when he faced the four IKs, which makes me question how good the knights were. If blitzing knights puts him above Vader in terms of speed, then he'd had done much better against Celeste, which he didn't. Plus, as I said, Vader was still fairly early in his years as a sith during his fight with Moorne. And considering Krayt didn't show much improvement after his resurrection, then I don't see how he is better than peak Vader.

Krayt was close to dying from the Vong growths iirc. He was certainly not in better shape than he was when blitzed those knights. The whole reason he was so desperate to be cured of his armor's drawbacks is the crippling effects of it and that it was slowly killing him.

Anyway, nah. Vader defeated a Morne who was not drawing on Muur's power (and he was knocked on his ass at one point, lol) while Krayt was overpowering a Morne who was. We know that Krayt did improve after his ressurection. I see no reason why he wouldn't be faster without his armor.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Perhaps Krayt knew Wyyrlok would underestimate him, and Krayt pretended to be weaker than he actually was.

Are you seriously suggesting that Wyyrlok didn't have a chance at striking a killing blow when he had Krayt down? Also, are you suggesting that Wyyrlok didn't put Krayt down with his sorcery, and Krayt purposely fell on his knees?

Well he obviously was. He pretty much goes 'lol, you die now' and kills him in the next panel.

Yeah, I am. Of course it looked pretty convincing. That's why its called a trap. But the results speak for themselves. Either Krayt was able to shake off the sorcery and blitz Wyyrlok before he could bring his lightsaber down, or Krayt was faking the whole thing and wasn't actually incapacitated like Wyyrlok was seeing him as.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Could be the case, but why go out of his way to do all of that? Considering that the comic shows us what Krayt's mind was visualizing, I really don't see that as being the case. Perhaps after Krayt broke free from the trance, may have retaliated with a counter illusion to trick Wyyrlok in to believing that he was disarmed.

To show his dominance, obviously. What better way than to both out smart and out do Wyyrlok at his own specialty, sorcery?

We saw what Wyyrlok was assaulting him with, but it actually badly effecting Krayt could still be, and seems to be imo, a ruse. Thats what I think might have happened, Krayt shrugged off the attack and used an illusion to make Wyyrlok think he was down and leave himself open with his stupid speech and huge wind-up swing and dispatched him.