Ehhhh... I enjoyed the hell out of all the fights in the PT, frankly. Yoda/Sideous and Anakin/Obi-Wan are pretty damn cool. But, the actual quality of the fight choreography and atmosphere surrounding the fights is the closest we can come to objectively analyzing them, and in that regard, the duels got gradually lazier as the trilogy progressed. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon versus Maul was the only fight in the PT where the characters seemed to utilize any kind of actual swordfighting techniques, rather than simply... flailing their swords at each other.
You disagree with the assertion that the duels post-TPM are basically raves with people flailing their swords at each other rather than actual sword-fighting?
Can you tell me what the practical application of this maneuver is?
Or this one, where they're essentially aiming their lightsabers at each other's lightsaber, rather than at the other person's body?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
You disagree with the assertion that the duels post-TPM are basically raves with people flailing their swords at each other rather than actual sword-fighting?Can you tell me what the practical application of this maneuver is?
Or this one, where they're essentially aiming their lightsabers at each other's lightsaber, rather than at the other person's body?
The first one is so stupid. 😆
Well, I can just... provide the entire fights via youtube if you wish. The point of a gif is to highlight things.
The problem I have with the strikes and parries is that the strikes are aimed at the other person's blade, rather than at the person. Why are they trying to hit each others swords' rather than the person holding it?
Beyond the things Tzeentch mentioned, I also wasn't a fan of of the later half of the lightsaber fight where they were dueling while swinging on cables, walking on a beam, or climbing. It also hurts that we don't see some big parts of the duel, like the scene where Anakin is choking Kenobi.
Obviously, this is all subjective, but the duel in RotS had some major mishaps and far too much "flair". I never found it to have the intensity that the Kenobi/Maul portion of Ep1's duel had.
Originally posted by EmperordmbYah, which makes no sense in actual swordfighting. The momentum you're generating in striking at someone else's blade (rather than parrying it) to "push it away" is going to prevent you from being able to capitalize on any "opening" you create.
To block their opponent's blade/push it out of the way to create an opening.
I expect Drew Krapshyn to not know anything about swordfighting (I'm hardly an expert myself), but Lucas has access to experts in that field who can design a credible looking fight choreography (Take... Ray Park, as an example).
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Yah, which makes no sense in actual swordfighting. The momentum you're generating in striking at someone else's blade (rather than parrying it) to "push it away" is going to prevent you from being able to capitalize on any "opening" you create.I expect Drew Krapshyn to not know anything about swordfighting (I'm hardly an expert myself), but Lucas has access to experts in that field who can design a credible looking fight choreography (Take... Ray Park, as an example).
Originally posted by TzeentchExcept the entire fight wasn't as 'bad' as you're acting, so you'd kind of defeat yourself.
Well, I can just... provide the entire fights via youtube if you wish. The point of a gif is to highlight things.The problem I have with the strikes and parries is that the strikes are aimed at the other person's blade, rather than at the person. Why are they trying to hit each others swords' rather than the person holding it?
I also find it quite ironic that you're nitpicking at the actor(s) swinging at the lightsaber, rather than their opponent, when they did the exact same shit in TPM:
This still shot is even more telling:
Also, what's with the little flip Maul does?:
SOOOO impractical, right..?
But yeah, we should single out RotS. 👆
The "entire" fight doesn't need to be as bad to qualify it as being worse than the TPM duel, it merely needs to display the sins in question more often, which it does. Fact: the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel has far more instances of flynning than the TPM duel does. Thus, the fight choreography isn't as good.
I never stated that the TPM duel isn't guilty of having flashy bullshit in it, only that it has less than the later duels in the series, so I'm not sure what bringing up gifs showcasing nonsense is supposed to achieve (though the first two gif's actually support my point more than hurt it, note that from Maul's duck onward, every strike is actually aimed at someones body and would wound if not blocked).
Nice strawman, though.
Originally posted by TzeentchAt first it certainly sounded like you were singling out RotS in that regard. If that wasn't your intent, then good... We are on the same wavelength. 👆
I never stated that the TPM duel isn't guilty of having flashy bullshit in it,
Originally posted by TzeentchStill disagree. Sharply. But again, different strokes.
only that it has less than the later duels in the series,
Originally posted by TzeentchThat's interesting because you seemed quite confident in your gif-tactic prior to my gif-retort... You jumped at the chance to post them in fact. mmm
so I'm not sure what bringing up gifs showcasing nonsense is supposed to achieve
...Glad you had a change of heart, though, because like I said before: cherry-picking one or two movements from a battle with hundredS of moves, as a means to discredit the entire fight sequence, is horrendously flawed logic. 👆
Originally posted by TzeentchSo long as we agree that every lightsaber duel has nonsensical flubs here and there, I don't really care how you feel. It's all subjective.
(though the first two gif's actually support my point more than hurt it, note that from Maul's duck onward, every strike is actually aimed at someones body and would wound if not blocked).
If you told me that red was your favorite color, I wouldn't argue that you were wrong just because that isn't also my favorite color. /shrug
Originally posted by TzeentchPlease learn the definition of a straw-man before you baselessly try to accuse me of such. Because I can assure you that employing the exact same logic as you=/=straw-man. 🙂
Nice strawman, though.