The PT fights appeared cool at first glance. I thought they were f*cking amazing when I first saw them, blew the OT fights clear outta the water.
Then I watched them several dozen times and kept noticing that they never actually seemed to be aiming for each other, just the swords. The flips and twirls look completely ridiculous now. TPM and AotC don't even make the actors look fatigued, just a tad sweaty. They're flashy and "cool" when you don't think about them, but as effective sword fights go, they're lame and boring as shit. The surrounding nadir of characterization and plot urgency just brings 'em down even farther. The PT fights are terrible.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The PT fights appeared cool at first glance. I thought they were f*cking amazing when I first saw them, blew the OT fights clear outta the water.Then I watched them several dozen times and kept noticing that they never actually seemed to be aiming for each other, just the swords. The flips and twirls look completely ridiculous now. TPM and AotC don't even make the actors look fatigued, just a tad sweaty. They're flashy and "cool" when you don't think about them, but as effective sword fights go, they're lame and boring as shit. The surrounding nadir of characterization and plot urgency just brings 'em down even farther. The PT fights are terrible.
"Applauds."
Well said.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
and those few novels that didn't sound like fanfiction.
What's wrong with novels that sound like fanfiction? I've written fanfictions and I'm very proud of them.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The PT fights appeared cool at first glance. I thought they were f*cking amazing when I first saw them, blew the OT fights clear outta the water.Then I watched them several dozen times and kept noticing that they never actually seemed to be aiming for each other, just the swords. The flips and twirls look completely ridiculous now. TPM and AotC don't even make the actors look fatigued, just a tad sweaty. They're flashy and "cool" when you don't think about them, but as effective sword fights go, they're lame and boring as shit. The surrounding nadir of characterization and plot urgency just brings 'em down even farther. The PT fights are terrible.
^And yet I'd take 1,000 PT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Vader vs. Old Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous especially watching Sir Alec twirl. Please. And ESB Luke vs. Vader was slightly better but still...really bad. The choreography was on par with a community theater.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
^And yet I'd take 1,000 PT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Vader vs. Old Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous especially watching Sir Alec twirl. Please. And ESB Luke vs. Vader was slightly better but still...really bad. The choreography was on par with a community theater.
Interesting, because I'd take 1,000 OT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Anakin vs. Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous, especially watching them twirl their lightsabres around for no reason while standing in front of each other. Please.
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Lets be real, the entire lore pretty much comes from the EU, the Star Wars universe feels so tiny now.
True. That's one of the reasons I've always preferred the EU to the movies.
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
L**** Disney they killed my Kyle katarn
Not at all. Kyle's stories are still around and you can still read them. Plus everything's being kept in print and authors still have access to it so its not impossible we'll get new books, comics etc in the "Legends" setting. Even if we don't there's always fanfiction.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The PT fights appeared cool at first glance. I thought they were f*cking amazing when I first saw them, blew the OT fights clear outta the water.Then I watched them several dozen times and kept noticing that they never actually seemed to be aiming for each other, just the swords. The flips and twirls look completely ridiculous now. TPM and AotC don't even make the actors look fatigued, just a tad sweaty. They're flashy and "cool" when you don't think about them, but as effective sword fights go, they're lame and boring as shit. The surrounding nadir of characterization and plot urgency just brings 'em down even farther. The PT fights are terrible.
I really enjoyed TPM duel (still not as good as ESB's or RotJ's). But, yeah, the rest were quite bad.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Interesting, because I'd take 1,000 OT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Anakin vs. Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous, especially watching them twirl their lightsabres around for no reason while standing in front of each other. Please.
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
^And yet I'd take 1,000 PT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Vader vs. Old Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous especially watching Sir Alec twirl. Please. And ESB Luke vs. Vader was slightly better but still...really bad. The choreography was on par with a community theater.
Originally posted by chilled monkeyThat's great. If you're a good writer, they won't sound like someone's fanfiction when reading them. But a fan-writer is forgiven if they do---someone adding a piece to a large canon needs to do better than that. Were you around a few years back when a bunch of us read the Son of Suns trilogy? Best Star Wars story I've ever read by a huge margin, canon or no. A fanfic that read like a fantastic novel. And yet it's shmucks like Drew Karpy that get the privilege of adding to canon. It's unfair I tells ya.
What's wrong with novels that sound like fanfiction? I've written fanfictions and I'm very proud of them.
Originally posted by Lord StarkYes it was, and that was why it was better. I don't know about you but I don't watch Star Wars for the "wicked badass sword fights, brah!" I watch it because I love forgetting that I'm watching something fake successfully pretend to be something wonderfully real-feeling.
^And yet I'd take 1,000 PT swordfights before I watch the atrocity of Vader vs. Old Kenobi. It is absolutely laughable and down right ridiculous especially watching Sir Alec twirl. Please. And ESB Luke vs. Vader was slightly better but still...really bad. The choreography was on par with a community theater.
The highly precise, fast-paced, well-choreographed, utterly bland sword fights in the PT feel fake. Those movies could have done every other elements right (story, characters, pacing, tension etc.) and those sword fights would still feel fake. They're too clean, too smooth, too well done. Real sword fights are frantic, dirty, exhausting, tense, and not composed of perfectly engineered moves swung by people with infinite stamina and an inability to not aim for the other guy's sword.
The same gripes we have about the PT looking too computerized, sterile, and emotionlessly animated apply equally to the sword fights. They lack grit, the lack soul.
Lol as if the duels were why the OT was superior to vast swaths of the EU and the horrible shit in the prequels.
It was the factors behind the duel that made them superior, i,e the weight of the situation and the desperation behind Luke and the rebellion. The ROTJ duel is still the best in the mythos currently, as there was so much emotional power and tension between Vader and Luke. The choreographed and CGI laden shit of PT duels has nothing on it.
How could you diss EU? It has so many great eras and characters. Exar Kun, Revan, Sith Triumvirate, Vitiate's Empire, Bane... Are they all gonna be wasted just like that?
I can endure the changes that will be made in the stories occurring during the new movies but pre prequal EU should remain untouched.