Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think we should leave out what doesn't exist. Might as well debate fan fiction lol.
You don't seem to get it.
I am holding a copy of "Dark Nest III: The Swarm War." I can see the words and I can feel the pages. Do you know what that means?
That means it EXISTS!
Honestly, why are people acting so dumb? The "Legends" EU exists just fine. All that's changed is that it's now a separate continuity. Furthermore it's a wondrous source of great characters and stories. To just "leave that out" is idiotic.
Suppose we were debating Spiderman. Spiderman has numerous continuties; the comics, the various cartoons, the new movies, the old movies etc. All of those exist, it just means we'd need to specify which version of Spiderman we mean.
If we use the comics version then of course stuff from the cartoons would be considered non-canon, but if we specify we mean say, the Ultimate Spiderman version, then we'd use stuff from his series.
Originally posted by Syndicate
EU's now noncanon.
So what? We still like it and there's no reason to stop debating it.
If you expect me to just forget about characters I adore just because some Suit says they're "not canon" then you're in for a disappointment.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You don't seem to get it.I am holding a copy of "Dark Nest III: The Swarm War." I can see the words and I can feel the pages. Do you know what that means?
That means it EXISTS!
Honestly, why are people acting so dumb? The "Legends" EU exists just fine. All that's changed is that it's now a separate continuity. Furthermore it's a wondrous source of great characters and stories. To just "leave that out" is idiotic.
Suppose we were debating Spiderman. Spiderman has numerous continuties; the comics, the various cartoons, the new movies, the old movies etc. All of those exist, it just means we'd need to specify which version of Spiderman we mean.
If we use the comics version then of course stuff from the cartoons would be considered non-canon, but if we specify we mean say, the Ultimate Spiderman version, then we'd use stuff from his series.
So what? We still like it and there's no reason to stop debating it.
If you expect me to just forget about characters I adore just because some Suit says they're "not canon" then you're in for a disappointment.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You don't seem to get it.I am holding a copy of "Dark Nest III: The Swarm War." I can see the words and I can feel the pages. Do you know what that means?
That means it EXISTS!
Honestly, why are people acting so dumb? The "Legends" EU exists just fine. All that's changed is that it's now a separate continuity. Furthermore it's a wondrous source of great characters and stories. To just "leave that out" is idiotic.
Suppose we were debating Spiderman. Spiderman has numerous continuties; the comics, the various cartoons, the new movies, the old movies etc. All of those exist, it just means we'd need to specify which version of Spiderman we mean.
If we use the comics version then of course stuff from the cartoons would be considered non-canon, but if we specify we mean say, the Ultimate Spiderman version, then we'd use stuff from his series.
So what? We still like it and there's no reason to stop debating it.
If you expect me to just forget about characters I adore just because some Suit says they're "not canon" then you're in for a disappointment.
The real issue is whether there will be a continuation of the stories from the old canon, such as Legacy or TOR.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You don't seem to get it.I am holding a copy of "Dark Nest III: The Swarm War." I can see the words and I can feel the pages. Do you know what that means?
That means it EXISTS!
Honestly, why are people acting so dumb? The "Legends" EU exists just fine. All that's changed is that it's now a separate continuity. Furthermore it's a wondrous source of great characters and stories. To just "leave that out" is idiotic.
Suppose we were debating Spiderman. Spiderman has numerous continuties; the comics, the various cartoons, the new movies, the old movies etc. All of those exist, it just means we'd need to specify which version of Spiderman we mean.
If we use the comics version then of course stuff from the cartoons would be considered non-canon, but if we specify we mean say, the Ultimate Spiderman version, then we'd use stuff from his series.
So what? We still like it and there's no reason to stop debating it.
If you expect me to just forget about characters I adore just because some Suit says they're "not canon" then you're in for a disappointment.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Question: Is the novel adaptations of the movies now under Legends as well, like the novel of The Phantom Menace? And with such, would the Visual Guide for The Phantom Menace also be under Legends as well? Because if they are, lightsaber forms are not canon.
Anything in novelisations that couldn't be tied to GL himself AND wasn't contradictory of the newest version of the film was always C-canon, even under the old rules. This includes things like Shatterpoint, Vaapad, Makashi, etc. Kit Fisto's head is only on a desk in Legends continuity. Hence why I am pushing so hard for novelisations to plug the holes left by the schism; they were nearly EU as it was.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I'd like someone to first outline how these changes affect the status quo of our little dynamic here.
I also don't see how this changes anything. Even if Luke (LOTF) isn't canon, what's stopping people from using him in debates? The comics section deals with this daily.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Stuff like Revan, Deceived, Fatal Alliance is all in Legends right.
Right but it's odd how they specifically only mentioned how post-ROTJ is invalidated and not the works prior to the movies. So there's a chance they're still main canon.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm holding a copy of a random SW fan fiction. I can see the pages and feel it in my hand. Doesn't mean it counts lol.
It certainly counts to the person who wrote it and the people who like it. I consider my own fanfics to be canon to me because I love them.
But anyway, as I said, the Spiderman movies are not canon to the comics. Does that mean the Spiderman movies "don't count" or "don't exist?"
Of course not! It just means that the Spiderman movies are a separate continuity. They "count" just fine.
Furthermore, as I said, the Legends EU is filled with amazing characters and stories. Why would anyone with a brain want to stop discussing these?
Oh and by the way, saying "lol" like that makes you sound brain-damaged.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I also don't see how this changes anything. Even if Luke (LOTF) isn't canon, what's stopping people from using him in debates? The comics section deals with this daily.
Precisely.
It's relatively simple. We can't get forum name changes without Raz around, but this area will not be an EU forum per se any more but a books, comics and games forum, encompassing both the new non-film canon material when it comes out and also all the existing stuff which is now under the 'Legends' label, alongside anything else that comes out under that label. The films section will be for the films simply because that's the medium used; it will no longer be a case of 'films count and nothing else does' as now officially there will be fully canon non-film stuff.
The canon rule will simply be to bear in mind that Legends is not in continuity with the main line, which is in no way a quality judgement but just to make sure everyone is on the same page when talking who or what did x or y in any particular discussion.
My instinct is to say the novels are not Legends- first because the original announcement very strongly suggests that stuff coming so directly from him (not actually directly, as he didn't write any of them, but frankly more direct than Clone Wars) and secondly because they always used to be considered highly canonical. Of course sometimes the novels may contradict things but I reckon we can deal with that in a common sense manner. As for a third, rather more practical reason- I am simply pretty sure the novels won't ever be marketed under the Legends banner.
TCW comics- my instinct says they count as Legends (especially as some were remade for TV), but I'll be open to any clarifying evidence that emerges.
As ever, what you count as your own personal canon or what you value is up to you and unaffected.