Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I said the word "if" as well, do you really want to play these games? However those clone troopers killed tons of JediThor>Clone Troopers
Oh boy... anyhow. Moving on.
If Jedi were invulnerable to blaster fire as Thor is, they'd not get killed either by blaster fire. See now; why your A-B logic is faulty here?
Fortunately for Dooku, he has a weapon that can harm Thor, should it hit.
Originally posted by Robtard
Um, Dooku wasn't all that far from Yoda, in their battle he did extremely well, but ultimately had to flee cos Yoda is well, Yoda.Thor isn't a god, dude. Odin explicitly says: "We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." to Loki in Thor: The Dark World.
Stormtroopers didn't kill a single Jedi in the films.
Thor is a God. Odin wasn't explicitly being literal when he was speaking to Loki. Loki even sarcastically replies about how they live for five thousand years.
Odin was essentially stating that Thor isn't completely invulernable, even as a God. When Odin stripped Thor of his powers and sent him to Earth as a human mortal, this is the only period where he wasn't a God.
Originally posted by The Renegade
Thor is a God. Odin wasn't explicitly being literal when he was speaking to Loki. Loki even sarcastically replies about how they live for five thousand years.Odin was essentially stating that Thor isn't completely invulernable, even as a God. When Odin stripped Thor of his powers and sent him to Earth as a human mortal, this is the only period where he wasn't a God.
Odin was being literal. Hence his further comments comparing the Asgardians to humanity, as a means to show Loki that they're no better than humanity. Purpose of that scene.
Originally posted by Robtard
Odin was being literal. Hence his further comments comparing the Asgardians to humanity, as a means to show Loki that they're no better than humanity. Purpose of that scene.
Yeah, except he wasn't being literal. Thor shares powers and characteristics of a God. He wasn't being literal. He didn't literally mean that Asgardians were like humans, meaning they aren't Gods like they aren't. As I've stated, Loki confirms this with his facetious response.
He compared the Asgardians to humanity but this wasn't him saying the Asgardians weren't Gods. They are Gods. Completely.
The purpose of that scene is to literally show that the Asgardians are basically human and not Gods?
No. You're off. Well off.
Originally posted by The Renegade
Yeah, except he wasn't being literal. Thor shares powers and characteristics of a God. He wasn't being literal. He didn't literally mean that Asgardians were just like humans whatsoever. As I've stated, Loki confirms this with his facetious response.He compared the Asgardians to humanity but this wasn't him saying the Asgardians weren't Gods. They are Gods. Completely.
The purpose of that scene is to literally show that the Asgardians are basically human and not Gods?
No. You're off. Well off.
Yes, he was being literal. Having powers doesn't make one a god by itself. Wizards have powers, are they gods on that merit alone? No. Loki's response is irrelevant, he was talking back like a impudent child to a father that just smacked him.
Film Odin disagrees with your views. Asgardians are not gods. Neither are Frost Giants, just in case you were thinking that.
Odd. Anyhow. "No better" in regards to Loki showing scorn for humanity, wanting to rule Earth. Not Odin claiming he's human.
I'm 100% accurate. So that would be "dead on".
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, he was being literal. Having powers doesn't make one a god by itself. Wizards have powers, are they gods on that merit alone? No. Loki's response is irrelevant, he was talking back like a impudent child to a father that just smacked him.Film Odin disagrees with your views.
No, they're Asgardians, which happen to not be gods.
It doesn't matter how many times you say he was being literal, he wasn't. The comics are based on the God lore and the films are based on the comics. Also, these are not Wizards. They don't just have "powers." They're practically invulnerable and have the characteristics of Gods.
They may not acknowledge themselves as Gods, as Odin may not, but this does not stop them from being Gods to humans and/or the audience. They are, by definition. They are not just a separate race.
His response is irrelevant? Why, because it disagrees with your incorrect point about them NOT being Gods?
Asgardians are Gods. One quote of Odin non-literally disagreeing with such isn't compelling enough evidence.
You're not, no matter how arrogantly you express your view. It's wrong.
Description of one of the Gods, Thor, for the film:
"The crown prince of Asgard, based on the Norse mythological deity of the same name."
A defining excerpt of a deity:
"A male deity is a god, while a female deity is a goddess."
I'm surprised this is even a disagreement. I assumed this was essentially axiomatic. Although, it's you, taking some of the surprise away.
Originally posted by The Renegade
It doesn't matter how many times you say he was being literal, he wasn't. The comics are based on the God lore and the films are based on the comics. Also, these are not Wizards. They don't just have "powers." They're practically invulnerable and have the characteristics of Gods.They may not acknowledge themselves as Gods, as Odin may not, but this does not stop them from being Gods to humans and/or the audience. They are, by definition. They are not just a separate race.
His response is irrelevant? Why, because it disagrees with your incorrect point about them NOT being Gods?
Asgardians are Gods. One quote of Odin non-literally disagreeing with such isn't compelling enough evidence.
You're not, no matter how arrogantly you express your view. It's wrong.
Your assessment of the scene/film is faulty. There are lots and lots of beings who have powers, that are not gods. These films don't always strictly follow the comics.
Considering humanity stopped worshipping them, they are by your own reasoning above they are not gods. They are in fact just another separate race. Like the Frost giants and Dark Elves, who also have powers.
Are the Frost Giants gods? They're tough, they have magical-like powers and they live a very long time.
Living a long time doesn't make a character a god in of itself.
The scene supports my view, that's a fact; not arrogance.
To your edit: "Based on", doesn't mean exactly the same. As I said, the films don't always strictly follow the comics. Your anger jab at me just shows the reason you're here, butthurt from getting mauled by me last time.
"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin
Deal with it and move on, you're punching WAY above your weight-class. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
Your assessment of the scene/film is faulty. There are lots and lots of beings who have powers, that are not gods. These films don't always strictly follow the comics.
There are lots of beings that do have powers and are not Gods. Thor and the Asgardians are not those beings. I didn't say they did strictly follow the comics. This doesn't mean they aren't Gods.
Considering humanity stopped worshipping them, they are by your own reasoning above they are not gods. They are in fact just another separate race. Like the Frost giants and Dark Elves, who also have powers.
Humanity doesn't have to continue worshiping them in order to still be considered Gods. Nothing will be removed that constitutes them as Gods that they have due to a halt in worship.
Are the Frost Giants gods? They're tough, they have magical-like powers and they live a very long time.
The Frost Giants are characterized as God-like, but large and strong enough to challenge the Gods. Asgardians only have the label of "Gods," although the Jotunn are often called "minor Gods."
Living a long time doesn't make a character a god in of itself.
Living a long time doesn't make a character not qualified for Godhood either. The writers of the film and the film itself have referenced Thor and others as Gods. Odin firing out a SINGLE quote (not one that's even literal) doesn't destabilize that entirely.
The scene supports my view, that's a fact; not arrogance.
How so? There are several scenes that contradict it. In the film universe, it is shown that there are "Gods" in historical mythology that are them. You have one line that isn't completely literal to support your view and that's all you have.
Hell, it's one view that is followed by a sarcastic response, with Loki basically saying, "Okay, but we are Gods." Why is your quote more qualifying than mine. Is it Odin's really cool pirate patch? Hahaha, man.
Based on doesn't need to be exactly the same but the implication is carried. I wouldn't watch a movie based on a human, hear him meow once, and then assume he was a cat. The implication is heavy enough. Also, the people who created the film (the relevant criteria of this forum) have said they're Gods.
You've patronized me before and lost. I'd suggest dividing your resources into ways to attempt to debate me properly, rather than showboating while your ship is sinking.
Circling your same faulty arguments, gets old.
They're a race that appears god-like and why the humans of old worshipped them as gods due to ignorance.
No, they're not gods. I thought that would have been easy. The Dark Elves, Frost Giants and Asgardians are in effect aliens from different worlds in the films. In mythology, they're not like the Norse gods. You reasoning is funny: Has powers = god.
Odd. Anyhow. Odin > you. Comic bias is always funny in the MVF.
Claiming Loki is more knowledgeable than Odin. What a laugh. The scene is the scene, deal.
Citing the film as evidence is debating properly. Not my problem you're too arrogant and too upset from last time to accept facts. Now if you're just going to keep rewording your previously wrong points, I see no point in going on.
"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin
Originally posted by The RenegadeThere are lots of beings that do have powers and are not Gods. Thor and the Asgardians are not those beings. I didn't say they did strictly follow the comics. This doesn't mean they aren't Gods.
Humanity doesn't have to continue worshiping them in order to still be considered Gods. Nothing will be removed that constitutes them as Gods that they have due to a halt in worship.
The Frost Giants are characterized as God-like, but large and strong enough to challenge the Gods. Asgardians only have the label of "Gods," according to the mythos.
Living a long time doesn't make a character not qualified for Godhood either. The writers of the film and the film itself have referenced Thor and others as Gods. Odin firing out a SINGLE quote (not one that's even literal) doesn't destabilize that entirely.
How so? There are several scenes that contradict it. In the film universe, it is shown that there are "Gods" in historical mythology that are them. You have one line that isn't completely literal to support your view and that's all you have.
Hell, it's one view that is followed by a sarcastic response, with Loki basically saying, "Okay, but we are Gods." Why is your quote more qualifying than mine. Is it Odin's really cool pirate patch? Hahaha, man.
Based on doesn't need to be exactly the same but the implication is carried. I wouldn't watch a movie based on a human, hear him meow once, and then assume he was a cat. The implication is heavy enough. Also, the people who created the film (the relevant criteria of this forum) have said they're Gods.
You've patronized me before and lost. I'd suggest dividing your resources into ways to attempt to debate me properly, rather than showboating while your ship is sinking. [/B]
The only thing we know for sure is that some Asgardians consider themselves gods, but the most reliable source of them all, ODIN, claimed they are not. Also, if you remember the scene on the Avengers when Loki is about to drop Thor from the sky, Loki seems to know they are not Gods in actuality and that it is just the belief of Humans (The Renegade in particular). All other times of Asgardians refering to themselves as Gods are made out of vanity, assumption and often hyperbole.
Originally posted by Robtard
Circling your same faulty arguments, gets old.They're a race that appears god-like and why the humans of old worshipped them as gods due to ignorance.
No, they're not gods. I thought that would have been easy. The Dark Elves, Frost Giants and Asgardians are in effect aliens from different worlds in the films. In mythology, they're not like the Norse gods. You reasoning is funny: Has powers = god.
Odd. Anyhow. Odin > you. Comic bias is always funny in the MVF.
Claiming Loki is more knowledgeable than Odin. What a laugh. The scene is the scene, deal.
Citing the film as evidence is debating properly. Not my problem you're too arrogant and too upset to accept facts.
You're not acknowledging my points. Branagh, the director, and the writers have cited the Asgardians as Gods. They're a higher authority than a character saying something non-literal INSIDE of the film they created.
I'm not biased towards the comics at all, nor have I said ONCE that they had weight. I'm just using the influences of the source material.
I never claimed he was more knowledgeable but this certainly doesn't mean he is wrong about this particular issue. His sarcasm is a given because they are Gods.
They aren't aliens. Even in the film, they're posing as their mythological counterparts and those counterparts are separated as Gods, minor Gods, and so on. The Jotunn, or Frost Giants, are god-like because they have similar strengths and powers to the Gods (the Asgardians).
The humans of old worshiped them as Gods and they also happened to be Gods. They forgot about them due to lack of presence and skepticism. This doesn't suddenly make them not Gods.
Interview with Branagh:
Interviewer: We know he's [Thor] an all-powerful god, but this movie also makes him kind of a screw-up. His belligerence gets him banished to Earth, which disgusts him. He has to prove himself worthy again to his father [Odin, played by Anthony Hopkins] but is that what he's doing with the audience, too?
Branagh: In the case of a God, audiences paradoxically enjoy recognizing the human traits. In Thor's case, we are thrilled by his powers, but I think we relate to his emotions. There are some flaws, some foibles, sibling rivalries at work, and romantic entanglements. The way into making a God attractive is to find out where his experience connects to a human one.
Originally posted by The Renegade
You're not acknowledging my points. Branagh, the director, and the writers have cited the Asgardians as Gods. They're a higher authority than a character saying something non-literal INSIDE of the film they created.I'm not biased towards the comics at all, nor have I said ONCE that they had weight. I'm just using the influences of the source material.
I never claimed he was more knowledgeable but this certainly doesn't mean he is wrong about this particular issue. His sarcasm is a given because they are Gods.
They aren't aliens. Even in the film, they're posing as their mythological counterparts and those counterparts are separated as Gods, minor Gods, and so on. The Jotunn, or Frost Giants, are god-like because they have similar strengths and powers to the Gods (the Asgardians).
The humans of old worshiped them as Gods and they also happened to be Gods. They forgot about them due to lack of presence and skepticism. This doesn't suddenly make them not Gods.
Give us the quote or film of the director saying this please.