Thor versus Count Dooku

Originally posted by The Renegade

Interview with Branagh:

[b]Interviewer: We know he’s [Thor] an all-powerful god, but this movie also makes him kind of a screw-up. His belligerence gets him banished to Earth, which disgusts him. He has to prove himself worthy again to his father [Odin, played by Anthony Hopkins] — but is that what he’s doing with the audience, too?

Branagh: In the case of a God, audiences — paradoxically — enjoy recognizing the human traits. In Thor’s case, we are thrilled by his powers, but I think we relate to his emotions. There are some flaws, some foibles, sibling rivalries at work, and romantic entanglements. The way into making a God attractive is to find out where his experience connects to a human one. [/B]

This is crap, Thor is commonly referred to as a God. He simply doesn't care if he says Asgardian or God or etc. Simply using the word doesn't prove your point, however it doesn't discredit it. Show me evidence of him specifying that Thor is actually a god and not a super powerful being from another realm.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
This is crap, Thor is commonly referred to as a God. He simply doesn't care if he says Asgardian or God or etc. Simply using the word doesn't prove your point, however it doesn't discredit it. Show me evidence of him specifying that Thor is actually a god and not a super powerful being from another realm.

Your evidence is there. He doesn't need to say, "Thor is a God" or it's wrong. He's discussing Gods and is directly referencing Thor when he says "him." The interviewer's question is ENTIRELY about Thor and Branagh's first sentence is one that refers to him as a GOD.

Thor doesn't care what title he's labelled and also doesn't like to be referenced as one but he IS one. That's the way it is. Some humans like to say they aren't or wish they weren't or "disassociated" out of misanthropy with humankind but they're still humans. This is a similar case with Thor and his father.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Your evidence is there. He doesn't need to say, "Thor is a God" or it's wrong.

Well with all the other evidence stacking up against your point, yeah he kinda does.

1. Odin says they are not actual Gods
2. Thor Referring to the asgardian powers and realms as science rather than magic
3. Loki knowing they aren't actual Gods in the Helicarrair scene (but still considers himself one)
4. Black Widow using the term "Practically Gods"
5. Shield always referring to Aaguardian's as Aliens.

THe movies make sure we know they aren't Literal Gods, and hell even I refer to Thor as a god in normal conversation but when I think about I always gotta correct myself: "Well he isn't really a god, just a super powerful alien from another realm." It is completely natural for the director to refer to him as a God in a normal interview.

[Film] Asgardians are an alien race with fantastic powers, super advanced technology and seemingly magical powers.

Not sure why this is in dispute. Though having the title of "gods" or not really means nothing here, as their powers/abilities are what they are, regardless of titles.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Well with all the other evidence stacking up against your point, yeah he kinda does.

1. Odin says they are not actual Gods
2. Thor Referring to the asgardian powers and realms as science rather than magic
3. Loki knowing they aren't actual Gods in the Helicarrair scene (but still considers himself one)
4. Black Widow using the term "Practically Gods"
5. Shield always referring to Aaguardian's as Aliens.

THe movies make sure we know they aren't Literal Gods, and hell even I refer to Thor as a god in normal conversation but when I think about I always gotta correct myself: "Well he isn't really a god, just a super powerful alien from another realm." It is completely natural for the director to refer to him as a God in a normal interview.

Of course it is. It's pretty simple for him to refer to a God because he IS one, plain and simple. What other "evidence?"

You're ignoring the fact that they are referenced many times in the film as Gods, including by Stark, so why only bring up what benefits your point? Confirmation bias extraordinaire or what?

What you have:
- People saying they aren't Gods in the movie.

What I have:
- People saying they are Gods in the movie.
- The director and writers of the FILM saying they are Gods.
- Their characters, worlds, and lore being based off of Gods.

1. Odin wasn't being literal.
2. Thor says they are essentially the same, not that it's one and not the other.
3. Loki "knowing?" He says SEVERAL times he is and makes reference to how they are. You forgot this, right? Right?
4. This isn't strong evidence, honestly. It's one human saying they're practically Gods.
5. "Alien" just means from somewhere else or foreign. You do realize they could be Gods and aliens, right?

Originally posted by Robtard
ROBTARD NOT GETTING THAT ALIENS AND GODS AREN'T NECESSARILY SEPARATE BY DEFINITION: [Film] Asgardians are an alien race with fantastic powers, super advanced technology and seemingly magical powers.

ROBTARD CONCEDING: Not sure why this is in dispute. Though having the title of "gods" or not really means nothing here, as their powers/abilities are what they are, regardless of titles.

Of course my previous post isn't addressed. I was going to assume you conceded but you posted this little snippet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien?s=t

^ "Alien" essentially means a person/being/whatever that is from an unfamiliar or foreign place. You DO realize that Thor and crew could be Gods...

*drum roll*

... and aliens?

I disputed them being aliens earlier because I thought you were implying creatures (they obviously aren't creatures but I couldn't be sure because they're also obviously Gods to me) but the only definition that could be applied, because they are not, is the one referencing them as foreigners.

This doesn't exclude them from godhood.

You were discussing weight class earlier. Let me put it this way: I'm the heavyweight champion and you're that scrawny kid in the audience who really loves the sport but will never be a boxer. Ever.

Ooh, a seat. Take it, Robtard.

Is this really still being debated?

Dooku has lightning, a sword, and limited TK.

Thor is a ****ing powerhouse to which Dooku can't comprehend. The scene where he creates an earthquake against the Frost Giants on the first film, Thor destroying a Chitauri ship, Thor being able to fly(and speedblitz), etc. would all be devastating for Dooku. I'm sure Thor could actually manipulate Dooku's lightning so that point is moot.

None of the Jedi/Sith are a threat to Thor judging from on-screen feats.

I was never disputing THor loosing. Thor wins against Dooku. I just know that in movie, THor is not actually a God. All of The Renegade's arguments are simply what he believes to be relevant and not. He seems to not be understanding properly, because I did notice Loki called himself a god and I did state this, I also pointed out that he calls himself this out of Habit, Vanity and Hyperbole.

Oh boy, a fantastic response! Although, strangely enough, not one to my argument.

*Provides overwhelming evidence that Thor is a God, even in the films.*

Dramatic Gecko: NO, HE'S ACTUALLY NOT. LOKI JUST SAYS HE IS ONE.

Okay, and Odin just says they're not.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Oh boy, a fantastic response!

*Provides overwhelming evidence that Thor is a God, even in the films.*

Dramatic Gecko: NO, HE'S ACTUALLY NOT.

All you are is a slightly more intelligent Quanchi112, I have given evidence of Thor not being a God and you simply disregard it because you don't agree, I explained why your evidence might not be entirely accurate but you don't seem to comprehend. You are not a debater you are simply stubborn. I see no way to convince you so I might as well just give up and say Thor beats Dooku and we all agree. Whether he is an actual God or not is irrelevant right now.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
All you are is a slightly more intelligent Quanchi112, I have given evidence of Thor not being a God and you simply disregard it because you don't agree, I explained why your evidence might not be entirely accurate but you don't seem to comprehend. You are not a debater you are simply stubborn. I see no way to convince you so I might as well just give up and say Thor beats Dooku and we all agree. Whether he is an actual God or not is irrelevant right now.

Yes, I'm the one disregarding. I've refuted your points. You've ignored my post where I argued your position and are sitting here telling me I'm disregarding you? You're within delusion, DG.

No, you haven't. You haven't even addressed the evidence.

You shouldn't be trying to convince or persuade me of something that simply is not true. There's no shame in admitting you were wrong (you factually are) and moving forward. Sometimes, people are wrong. I've even been wrong before. We all have.

In this particular instance, and most of the time, you are incorrect. Rightness and wrongness are about consistency. If you find yourself being wrong a lot (you are), you should spend less time debating and more time evaluating and learning how to actually think reasonably.

Take a critical thinking course. Do something but don't sit here and yap incoherently, thinking you're doing work by merely doing the minimal act of responding.

1. Odin wasn't being literal. (Sure he wasn't
2. Thor says they are essentially the same, not that it's one and not the other. (Yeah... okay I see this.)
3. Loki "knowing?" He says SEVERAL times he is and makes reference to how they are. You forgot this, right? Right? (No I didn't I did actually address this)
4. This isn't strong evidence, honestly. It's one human saying they're practically Gods. (True, it was her opinion. But think why the Directors would have her say that instead of "They are Gods"😉
5. "Alien" just means from somewhere else or foreign. You do realize they could be Gods and aliens, right? (Woohoo! You know what a word means.)

There I have addressed your "evidence". Are we done? You have your opinion and I have my opinion.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
1. Odin wasn't being literal. (Sure he wasn't
2. Thor says they are essentially the same, not that it's one and not the other. (Yeah... okay I see this.)
3. Loki "knowing?" He says SEVERAL times he is and makes reference to how they are. You forgot this, right? Right? (No I didn't I did actually address this)
4. This isn't strong evidence, honestly. It's one human saying they're practically Gods. (True, it was her opinion. But think why the Directors would have her say that instead of "They are Gods"😉
5. "Alien" just means from somewhere else or foreign. You do realize they could be Gods and aliens, right? (Woohoo! You know what a word means.)

There I have addressed your "evidence". Are we done? You have your opinion and I have my opinion.

1. If you're being sarcastic, he wasn't. He didn't sit there and literally compare himself to a human. He was figuratively saying that Asgardians had limitations, LIKE the humans did.

2. You should "see it." It's what happened. Seeing anything else would be fruitless.

3. Poorly, though. You say it's due to "vanity" and whatnot but it doesn't make it any less true, whether it's through arrogance or otherwise. People can be arrogant and can also be right.

4. Why would the directors do this? To instill an opposing viewpoint or to show that humans don't entirely understand the Asgardian Gods? The director, MATTER OF FACTLY, states Thor and the others, are Gods. My explanation is much more reasonable.

5. See, and this is why I say you're not actually addressing me. You saying "woohoo" is not a proper argumentative response. As I said previously, you're doing the bare minimum and are just responding to most of what I have said.

Like, that's a pretty hefty fucking woohoo because it was one of you and Robtard's major points that I destroyed. I assume this is why it's not being properly addressed.

Ah, yes. The ol' "we both have opinions" cliched nonsense. We also both have organs and breathe air. Anything else to completely blow me away?

Originally posted by The Renegade
1. If you're being sarcastic, he wasn't. He didn't sit there and literally compare himself to a human. He was figuratively saying that Asgardians had limitations, LIKE the humans did.

2. You should "see it." It's what happened. Seeing anything else would be fruitless.

3. Poorly, though. You say it's due to "vanity" and whatnot but it doesn't make it any less true, whether it's through arrogance or otherwise. People can be arrogant and can also be right.

4. Why would the directors do this? To instill an opposing viewpoint or to show that humans don't entirely understand the Asgardian Gods? The director, MATTER OF FACTLY, states Thor and the others, are Gods. My explanation is much more reasonable.

5. See, and this is why I say you're not actually addressing me. You saying "woohoo" is not a proper argumentative response. As I said previously, you're doing the bare minimum and are just responding to most of what I have said.

Like, that's a pretty hefty fucking woohoo because it was one of you and Robtard's major points that I destroyed. I assume this is why it's not being properly addressed.

Ah, yes. The ol' "we both have opinions" cliched nonsense. We also both have organs and breathe air. Anything else to completely blow me away?

Thor beats Dooku. This 'point' doesn't make Dooku any less or more beaten. I haven't seen the interview where, the creators SAY he is a literal god. So we have our own interpretations of what happened on screen, mine happen to be different to yours. But I suspect you want to continue to act like hot shit, so go ahead.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Thor beats Dooku. This 'point' doesn't make Dooku any less or more beaten. I haven't seen the interview where, the creators SAY he is a literal god. So we have our own interpretations of what happened on screen, mine happen to be different to yours. But I suspect you want to continue to act like hot shit, so go ahead.

They did, especially when Branagh said Thor was a God. Nothing figurative about that. You're twisting shit to try and be right and it's bad form. You cannot properly respond to my positions and most likely are aware I have more evidence but you've decided to reject it.

Your decision but it changes nothing. The Asgardians are Gods in the mythology, the comics, and the films. End of.

Originally posted by The Renegade

Of course my previous post isn't addressed. I was going to assume you conceded but you posted this little snippet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien?s=t

^ "Alien" essentially means a person/being/whatever that is from an unfamiliar or foreign place. You DO realize that Thor and crew could be Gods...

*drum roll*

... and aliens?

I disputed them being aliens earlier because I thought you were implying creatures (they obviously aren't creatures but I couldn't be sure because they're also obviously Gods to me) but the only definition that could be applied, because they are not, is the one referencing them as foreigners.

This doesn't exclude them from godhood.

You were discussing weight class earlier. Let me put it this way: I'm the heavyweight champion and you're that scrawny kid in the audience who really loves the sport but will never be a boxer. Ever.

[pic of stool removed cos it was dumb]

Ooh, a seat. Take it, Robtard.

1) Calm down

2) Starting "concession accepted!" nonsense alreadt lets me know that you know that you're wrong

3) "Alien" can also mean "extraterrestrial".

4) Extraterrestrial = "coming from or existing outside the planet Earth"

5) "We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

Now that that's settled, go take a nap; here's a nice pillow for you 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
1) Calm down

2) Starting "concession accepted!" nonsense alreadt lets me know that you know that you're wrong

3) "Alien" can also mean "extraterrestrial".

4) Extraterrestrial = "coming from or existing outside the planet Earth"

5) "We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

Now that that's settled, go take a nap; here's a nice pillow for you 🙂

Existing outside of Earth also means they are still Gods as well as aliens (I'm getting dejavu here). You're literally saying nothing meaningful. I already put that portion of the definition in my post.

The second definition is a foreigner. Something foreign can be from outside of the confines of Earth. Goddamn, you got slammed so fucking hard into the ground, you don't even know what to say.

Also, you posting the Odin quote once again and not fully knowing how to respond to my last post to you? I mean, there's undeniable beauty there.

You and Quanchi are like the undisputed pinheads of this subforum. Revel in your tainted and wholly deserved shitastic glory.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Existing outside of Earth also means they are still Gods as well as aliens (I'm getting dejavu here). You're literally saying nothing meaningful. I already put that portion of the definition in my post.

The second definition is a foreigner. Something foreign can be from outside of the confines of Earth. Goddamn, you got slammed so fucking hard into the ground, you don't even know what to say.

Also, you posting the Odin quote once again and not fully knowing how to respond to my last post to you? I mean, there's undeniable beauty there.

You and Quanchi are like the undisputed pinheads of this subforum. Revel in your tainted and wholly deserved shitastic glory.

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

-

"Deja vu" and "sub forum/sub-forum" are separate words.

Did you not like the color?

Originally posted by Robtard
"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

"Deja vu" and "sub forum/sub-forum" are separate words.

Did you not like the color?

*Déjà vu. Correct people properly, if you're going to focus on their linguistics as a sign of losing something much greater, such as the argument.

Also, sub-forum can be hyphenated, so it can also be conjoined, with the words still being "separate," in theory. Certain phrases that can undergo such an alteration can be melded.

Example:

Semi-conscious

OR

Semiconscious

BONUS: Sub-par = subpar.

This would be the millionth time I'm teaching you English, including when you botched the meaning and usage of qualifiers. You're a well-rounded failure, Robtard. Stick to inane ramblings and the OTF. You're a perfect fit.

Since we're there, it's "already." Oh, and the latter "that" isn't a fit either.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Is this really still being debated?

Dooku has lightning, a sword, and limited TK.

Thor is a ****ing powerhouse to which Dooku can't comprehend. The scene where he creates an earthquake against the Frost Giants on the first film, Thor destroying a Chitauri ship, Thor being able to fly(and speedblitz), etc. would all be devastating for Dooku. I'm sure Thor could actually manipulate Dooku's lightning so that point is moot.

None of the Jedi/Sith are a threat to Thor judging from on-screen feats.

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Originally posted by The Renegade
*DéjÃ_ vu. Correct people properly, if you're going to focus on their linguistics as a sign of losing something much greater, such as the argument.

Also, sub-forum can be hyphenated, so it can also be conjoined, with the words still being "separate," in theory. Certain phrases that can undergo such an alteration can be melded.

Example:

Semi-conscious

OR

Semiconscious

BONUS: Sub-par = subpar.

This would be the millionth time I'm teaching you English, including when you botched the meaning and usage of qualifiers. You're a well-rounded failure, Robtard. Stick to inane ramblings and the OTF. You're a perfect fit.

Since we're there, it's "already." Oh, and the latter "that" isn't a fit either.

Clever, accuse me of not understanding what a "qualifier" is when I had to explain it to you in another thread, which is the source of your butt-hurt and why you're here crying "God! God! God!"

And more mimicking, guess me asking "Is English not your first language" struck a nerve last time.

"We are not gods! We're born, we live, we die, just as humans do." -Odin

That's all folks 🙂