Originally posted by Galan007
That was the whole fight. Immediately afterward, CS left Grundy to the others and went on to save a woman trapped under rubble.I'm not commenting on CS beating BM. I'm posting proof as to why CS should be regarded as a solid top-tier brick(which was previously in dispute.)
CS wasn't seen again through the remainder of the issue--as you say, he was removed for the sake of the plot. You can downplay BL Kal all you'd like(dunno if that's what you're meaning to do, but it sure seems like it), but he was definitively beyond the herald class by a substantial margin. Him defeating CS is not a low showing for CS by any means, nor does it change CS's top-tier status.
Originally posted by Galan007Like I said, it was impressive as heck no matter what angle someone sees it.. But I think Rage brought up an earlier point of mine.. The point that he was able to knock down Gog towards the end after all their combined efforts in damaging him. I noted earlier that Magog sliced his head off easily when Scott, Thunderbolt, and Lightning were earlier on together attempting the same, but were unable to..
It doesn't. The reason the JSA couldn't topple Gog is because he was literally rooted to the earth:
That's why their best efforts as a team were only sufficient to make Gog stagger a bit:
That being said, Damage blasting a few holes in Gog's person didn't make him any less rooted to the earth. Thus CS waltzing up and doing in a mere two punches what the cumulative JSA were unable to do, and topple Gog, is amazingly impressive:
Heck, the simple act of CS shredding his armor away like cheap tissue paper in the above scene is a fairly impressive strength feat in its own right, given that the armor has a tensile strength of over 280,000psi:
Overall what impresses me most with Citizen Steel is his durability as well as his penchant for being hard to knock down which he has shown impressively on more than one occasion... Almost like a Blob or Juggernaut like in a way.
But anyways, who would you take in a slugfest between these two?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Feat-wise, I'd say he's definitely in that tier. So yeah...
Maybe it's our definition of "top tier" where we're having this disconnect. When I say top tier, I'm talking about along the lines of Superman, Hulk, Thor, Hyperion, Cap(Billy), Blue Marvel, etc... I think he's closer to the likes of Power Girl, Wonder Man, Apollo, or anyone in that ilk...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Not going to debate semantics. Glad you find it impressive. 👆
Like I said, it was impressive as heck no matter what angle someone sees it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17In a pure slugfest, it's hard to say. The fact that CS can no-sell strikes from Gog, Power Girl, and Grundy tells me that IF BM manages to win, he certainly isn't doing so easily. It's be a very hard-earned win for either side.
But anyways, who would you take in a slugfest between these two?
Blue Marvel vs. Namor
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-013_zps38f330b8.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-014_zps1a5a490c.jpg
*Apparently close fight which Marvel feels the punch that beat Namor was a lucky shot
Blue Marvel vs. Wonder Man, Ms.Marvel, iron Man and Ares
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_006_zpsa7a27bfd.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
*Not great for Marvel, even Iron Man blast and Ms.Marvel punched made him groan in pain.
Blue Marvel vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_008_zps635be347.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_009_zps8f91b136.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_010_zpsf860a5e0.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_011_zpse0fe6528.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_012_zpsa4cfd210.jpg
*Good fight was on the losing end until the orbit punch but then gotten taken out quickly after. For comparison here's Namor's fight with Sentry...just because I still find it funny he was claimed to be class 75. Also find it funny they compared Sentry that went against WWH implying he was at the same level as what Marvel fought.
Namor vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg01bsimonebianchivarbyScanDog_zps2f098a10.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg12_zpse5c12208.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg13_zpsfa2aaf86.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg14_zpsc2ce1c02.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg18_zpsb930ab97.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg22_zps188ad3ad.jpg
*This fight went for awhile, didn't see all of it but considering all the fights were going on Asteroid M and people winning and losing, but Sentry and Namor kept fighting and were shown in between all the other fights.
He's definetly top-tier but he is not unbeatable
Originally posted by -K-M-
Blue Marvel vs. Namor
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-013_zps38f330b8.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-014_zps1a5a490c.jpg
*Apparently close fight which Marvel feels the punch that beat Namor was a lucky shotBlue Marvel vs. Wonder Man, Ms.Marvel, iron Man and Ares
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_006_zpsa7a27bfd.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
*Not great for Marvel, even Iron Man blast and Ms.Marvel punched made him groan in pain.Blue Marvel vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_008_zps635be347.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_009_zps8f91b136.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_010_zpsf860a5e0.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_011_zpse0fe6528.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_012_zpsa4cfd210.jpg
*Good fight was on the losing end until the orbit punch but then gotten taken out quickly after. For comparison here's Namor's fight with Sentry...just because I still find it funny he was claimed to be class 75. Also find it funny they compared Sentry that went against WWH implying he was at the same level as what Marvel fought.Namor vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg01bsimonebianchivarbyScanDog_zps2f098a10.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg12_zpse5c12208.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg13_zpsfa2aaf86.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg14_zpsc2ce1c02.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg18_zpsb930ab97.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg22_zps188ad3ad.jpg
*This fight went for awhile, didn't see all of it but considering all the fights were going on Asteroid M and people winning and losing, but Sentry and Namor kept fighting and were shown in between all the other fights.He's definetly top-tier but he is not unbeatable
First, you're commenting on a non fight. Namor was basically acknowledging the fact that Blue Marvel is a true force to be reckoned with. In fact the writer makes it clear that so called lucky punch was in reference to how hard Blue Marvel's punch/punches were. Where in the heck did you even get it was a close fight let alone BM beating Namor from that statement? For all we know they traded a few short blows then they realized they were on the same side.
Secondly, I don't see why you think that showing was not good for BM. You even went as far as to bring up specifics about groaning in pain from Tony's blast and Ms. M's elbow shot? Really? As if those two were never able do that to top tier bricks? That's just trying way too hard to undersell Blue Marvel. If we're going to nitpick at least show the initial cheap shot by Tony on BM that started that fight.
Thirdly this fight should never even be considered Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, Ares vs BM and then Sentry vs BM. This was Avengers vs BM. This team basically included their heaviest hitters during that period. He was giving as good as he was getting. That's saying a lot. And let's face it, it's not like he was out to hurt these heroes. He is first and foremost a good honorable man.
Now your Namor vs Sentry was a true fair fight since it was team vs team and with man taking on man. What's funny is Namor was clearly outclassed in your scans. In fact I think your showing backfired.
So in the end your comparison of BM vs Sentry and Namor vs Sentry grossly misrepresents what really happened.
Since we're on the subject of Avengers and Blue Marvel, here's a few scans to chew on. Respect the Blue Marvel!
Avengers (Iron Man, Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares, Wasp, Yellow Jacket, Wasp, Black Widow) vs Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-002_zps46f0ac73.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-003_zps68561da2.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-004_zpsf79f87df.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-005_zpsc485c0a8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-006_zps651e1fc0.jpg
Blue Marvel vs Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-007_zps0386ab35.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-008_zps78ebe541.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-009_zps66b7c83a.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-010_zps213be3f6.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-011_zps88cde86a.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-012_zps85f8ec5f.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-013_zpsaee0c1c2.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-014_zps30588807.jpg
misinterpretation? bwahaha what? I posted all the scans from start to finish. Then you pull "I expected better then you card"? priceless
Non-fight? They fought. They even admitted they fought. Namor commented that he hit hard as Hulk and Thor, who in the past Namor has matched up well and occasion has beaten. Lucky punch tends to indicate he beat Namor with a lucky punch...which Marvel admitted. That's pretty basic and they even showed two panels of them trading blows showing...there was a fight.
So you will bring up the alien even though it's PIS, but you cry foul when I show him getting hurt by Tony and ms.marvel where he actually did groan in pain? and even was cut by Ares? hmmmm....who is misinterpreting what now?
Sure, except Sentry told them to stop fighting so it turned into one on one hence why it was split. Basically everyone got a serious shot in that hurt him (sorry it did) and . He wanted to stop them, even told them he wouldn't allow them to go through with their plans....😬
Out classed? what? they traded shots and Sentry didn't do any serious damage. They fought for a long time, yet in the end Sentry left and Namor was ready to go....and you say I misinterpreted the scans? Ah lawd. That wasn't the last time Namor battled Sentry evenly either.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Since we're on the subject of Avengers and Blue Marvel, here's a few scans to chew on. Respect the Blue Marvel!Avengers (Iron Man, Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares, Wasp, Yellow Jacket, Wasp, Black Widow) vs Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-002_zps46f0ac73.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-003_zps68561da2.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-004_zpsf79f87df.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-005_zpsc485c0a8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-006_zps651e1fc0.jpgBlue Marvel vs Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-007_zps0386ab35.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-008_zps78ebe541.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-009_zps66b7c83a.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-010_zps213be3f6.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-011_zps88cde86a.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-012_zps85f8ec5f.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-013_zpsaee0c1c2.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/Adam-014_zps30588807.jpg
Now who is misinterpreting and misleading? His fight with Anti-Man was in the 1960's and the Anti-Man that the Avengers fought was amped and stronger then he was in the past....in present day he was becoming an anti-matter wormhole
Did you miss the point why I posted the Namor vs. Sentry scans? It was aabout how he was called not a true class 100 and was only "class 75". Do I think Namor can beat BM? No, but their apparently not far off
Namor vs. Sentry….and Iron Man, Ares and Wonder Man
Namor fights Sentry….and the “Avengers” (no splitting them up as you say).
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-006_zps9e0c7783.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-007_zps7ddcbc32.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-008_zpsd371d25a.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-009_zps6d441b7d.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-011_zps2b9c88f6.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-012_zpsc998acb6.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-013_zps54b50b60.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-014_zps07213c29.jpg
*4 out of the 5 same people that Blue Marvel fought sans Ms.Marvel [Sentry completely disappeared and didn’t appear again until after the fighting was done]
Namor vs. Sentry [2]
……Brief scrap
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvaders-004-005_zps859ada6e.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvaders-007_zps579a5a54.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvaders-008_zps3e25fd0e.jpg
*Keep in mind this is WW2 era Namor as well. So why you and Stoic [who claimed he was class 75] are trying so hard to downplay Namor is beyond me.
Originally posted by carver9
Namor isn't class 75 and whoever said that honestly need to stop.
👆
Now do I think Namor could beat BM? No, no I don't. However, he doesn't simply outclass him as he has hung with people BM has and has hung and beat other elite class 100 characters too. The intent of the Namor scans was not to discredit BM, actually to give Namor more credit then what he has been getting here and to show him hanging against BM isn't that crazy
I even said BM is "definetly top-tier" too
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If anyone was wondering here are the scans explaining the Anti-man that the Avengers fought was amped
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-004_zps659908c4.jpg
Even BM mentions he is stronger, as in the previous issue he was taken out by a one-shot as his new strength surprised him [No shame in that]
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-022_zpsd4be9394.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-023_zpsdecc6708.jpg*
*http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_003_zpsbb1e9d6e.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
misinterpretation? bwahaha what? I posted all the scans from start to finish. Then you pull "I expected better then you card"? pricelessNon-fight? They fought. They even admitted they fought. Namor commented that he hit hard as Hulk and Thor, who in the past Namor has matched up well and occasion has beaten. Lucky punch tends to indicate he beat Namor with a lucky punch...which Marvel admitted. That's pretty basic and they even showed two panels of them trading blows showing...there was a fight.
So you will bring up the alien even though it's PIS, but you cry foul when I show him getting hurt by Tony and ms.marvel where he actually did groan in pain? and even was cut by Ares? hmmmm....who is misinterpreting what now?
Sure, except Sentry told them to stop fighting so it turned into one on one hence why it was split. Basically everyone got a serious shot in that hurt him (sorry it did) and . He wanted to stop them, even told them he wouldn't allow them to go through with their plans....😬
Out classed? what? they traded shots and Sentry didn't do any serious damage. They fought for a long time, yet in the end Sentry left and Namor was ready to go....and you say I misinterpreted the scans? Ah lawd. That wasn't the last time Namor battled Sentry evenly either.
Seriously man a guy getting Almost Beat To Death is a far cry from acknowledging some pain from a blow. You made a statement that Mammoth ko'ing him was an outlier low. I simply showed you on panel proof that your statement may have to be rethought. I've also given examples of CS being knocked down by less than herald Gog because some are starting to think he can't be knocked down by nothing less then a trans tier or higher.
Are you even looking at your own scans? Sentry punched BM immediately after Ares slashed his face. He didn't even have a moments respite. And what happened when he flash KO'd him. They were right back on top of him in which he actually was turning the fight around up until Sentry performed his space dive bomb.
Errm... Again are you looking at your own scans? They lock arms. Namor proceeds to push back a little. Sentra pushes back even harder and even pushes Namor through a building. Namor throws a bus at him. Sentra blocks or punches it away. He takes Namor and pounds him to the ground. He's all over him now. Sentry flies away.
Namor vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg01bsimonebianchivarbyScanDog_zps2f098a10.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg12_zpse5c12208.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg13_zpsfa2aaf86.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg14_zpsc2ce1c02.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg18_zpsb930ab97.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg22_zps188ad3ad.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
Now who is misinterpreting and misleading? His fight with Anti-Man was in the 1960's and the Anti-Man that the Avengers fought was amped and stronger then he was in the past....in present day he was becoming an anti-matter wormhole
Phukk it lets go further. What happened in their final fight towards the end when Blue Marvel was no longer holding back? He wtf outmuscled your anti-matter wormhole villain and physically forced him out of the earth where he dispersed his energy. An event that Reed stated to be powerful enough to blow up a continent and maybe even the whole earth. I can post those too if you want? You want?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wtf? Dude I think you are reading it wrong. The lucky punch was in direct reference to Namor commenting on how only Hulk and Thor has hit him as hard. It has nothing to do with winning or losing a fight. You are reading way too much into it.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AdamLegendofBlueMarvel-014_zps1a5a490c.jpg
Not really as A) they showed they were fighting B) Namor thought he was an enemy/trespaaser C) Namor isn't usually known to calm down quickly D) Namor and Marvel both agreed he hit him with a lucky shot. You can even look at real day MMA fighters, you know what they say 90% of the time after they get knocked out?...it was a lucky shot. Namor was shown to be able to fight against BM, which is no shame as he has with Thor and Hulk...which he mentioned.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Seriously man a guy getting Almost Beat To Death is a far cry from acknowledging some pain from a blow. You made a statement that Mammoth ko'ing him was an outlier low. I simply showed you on panel proof that your statement may have to be rethought. I've also given examples of CS being knocked down by less than herald Gog because some are starting to think he can't be knocked down by nothing less then a trans tier or higher.
A being that Powergirl overpowered and from the scans we saw SC took PG's best shot without any issues. So a being nearly killed him, gets overpowered by another person he took her strongest punch against? That's one major inconsistency. Hey, I'll admit I never even knew about his fight with the alien so that was a complete surprise to me. However, upon finding out the context it's pretty clear as PIS.
Sure but also shown he can taken shots from people much higher then those. Now we have the issue of some serious inconsistency. DO I think we should go by just his high showings? Nope. Go by average and his Mammoth and the fight do bring him down from his top top showing.
You are crying foul that shots from Ares, Ms.Marvel and Iron Man caused him pain. That actually happened just like how CZ lost to mammoth
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Are you even looking at your own scans? Sentry punched BM immediately after Ares slashed his face. He didn't even have a moments respite. And what happened when he flash KO'd him. They were right back on top of him in which he actually was turning the fight around up until Sentry performed his space dive bomb.
Ummm yes I'm aware, that's why I posted the same scan of how the Avengers fought BM with the start of when Sentry fought. To clearly show the time difference and not to take anything out of context...hence why the scan was used twice. If he really needed a repree from the previous shots that's pretty bad. Look at Namor who he fought basically the same people.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Errm... Again are you looking at your own scans? They lock arms. Namor proceeds to push back a little. Sentra pushes back even harder and even pushes Namor through a building. Namor throws a bus at him. Sentra blocks or punches it away. He takes Namor and pounds him to the ground. He's all over him now. Sentry flies away.Namor vs. Sentry
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg01bsimonebianchivarbyScanDog_zps2f098a10.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg12_zpse5c12208.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg13_zpsfa2aaf86.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg14_zpsc2ce1c02.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg18_zpsb930ab97.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg22_zps188ad3ad.jpg
Errrr...are you looking at just one scan? Sure he pushed him through buildings but then they went on the ground and fought shot for shot and fought for a long time. Namor didn't suffer any serious damage and was still 100% fine to fight when Sentry left. Did you read and UNDERSTAND the scans?
Do you also realise Namor and Sentry were fighting in the background while all the other fights that were shown going on in Utopia? We didn't see ALL the fight, for instance when Sentry flew off the building beside them was completely destroyed but we never saw them do it. Shall we assume that was already there like that then? 😬
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Erm... That's a team vs 1. Even then, that team has the Sentry. BM went one on one. Anti-matter wormhole be damned. That's impressive as shiet.Phukk it lets go further. What happened in their final fight towards the end when Blue Marvel was no longer holding back? He wtf outmuscled your anti-matter wormhole villain and physically forced him out of the earth where he dispersed his energy. An event that Reed stated to be powerful enough to blow up a continent and maybe even the whole earth. I can post those too if you want? You want?
Team vs one amped up individual....which is different. I noticed you never made mention he was amped against the Avengers in attempt to portray how powerful he is without adding the context. We don't know how powerful 1960's Anti-man was. Is it impressive sure, but not as much as you tried to show.
You mean where he said he could beat him because he could synch with his powers? Context again 😬 No I have the scans. When bloodlusted BM fought Anti-Man you forgot his power was already dispersing from the gamma blast as well as BM already synching with him. Anti-Man was weakening
Originally posted by -K-M-Again you are reading way too much into it. The feat in that particular scene is not about Blue Marvel beating Namor. It was the fact that Namor considers him as a big gun especially his punch was something only Hulk and Thor has replicated against him. Sometimes conjecture is the only logical recourse, but man you are doing a little too much guestimation in believing Blue Marvel clearly beat out Namor in that flashback along with it being a close fight. I mean now you're using real world mma to back up your claim.
Not really as A) they showed they were fighting B) Namor thought he was an enemy/trespaaser C) Namor isn't usually known to calm down quickly D) Namor and Marvel both agreed he hit him with a lucky shot. You can even look at real day MMA fighters, you know what they say 90% of the time after they get knocked out?...it was a lucky shot. Namor was shown to be able to fight against BM, which is no shame as he has with Thor and Hulk...which he mentioned.
Originally posted by -K-M-
A being that Powergirl overpowered and from the scans we saw SC took PG's best shot without any issues. So a being nearly killed him, gets overpowered by another person he took her strongest punch against? That's one major inconsistency. Hey, I'll admit I never even knew about his fight with the alien so that was a complete surprise to me. However, upon finding out the context it's pretty clear as PIS.
http://i.imgur.com/gMIfgSK.jpg
What we see here is PG not easily subduing 2 individuals that looked similar to the alien that had CS beat, but carrying 2 aliens to safety after an apparent explosion. We don't exactly know how the battle went down. Now I can even go to a whole other tangent in which PG > CS, but that's a wall of text I really don't feel inclined to add 😛 . We also see PG refer to the "team" in succeeding. A more logical conjecture would be these so called Qorathi are no slouches, but they are not team busters individually. Like I've said in an earlier post, if CS gets taken out by a gas station explosion, then you can cry PIS all you want.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure but also shown he can taken shots from people much higher then those. Now we have the issue of some serious inconsistency. DO I think we should go by just his high showings? Nope. Go by average and his Mammoth and the fight do bring him down from his top top showing.You are crying foul that shots from Ares, Ms.Marvel and Iron Man caused him pain. That actually happened just like how CZ lost to mammoth
Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm yes I'm aware, that's why I posted the same scan of how the Avengers fought BM with the start of when Sentry fought. To clearly show the time difference and not to take anything out of context...hence why the scan was used twice. If he really needed a repree from the previous shots that's pretty bad. Look at Namor who he fought basically the same people.Errrr...are you looking at just one scan? Sure he pushed him through buildings but then they went on the ground and fought shot for shot and fought for a long time. Namor didn't suffer any serious damage and was still 100% fine to fight when Sentry left. Did you read and UNDERSTAND the scans?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Do you also realise Namor and Sentry were fighting in the background while all the other fights that were shown going on in Utopia? We didn't see ALL the fight, for instance when Sentry flew off the building beside them was completely destroyed but we never saw them do it. Shall we assume that was already there like that then? 😬
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again you are reading way too much into it. The feat in that particular scene is not about Blue Marvel beating Namor. It was the fact that Namor considers him as a big gun especially his punch was something only Hulk and Thor has replicated against him. Sometimes conjecture is the only logical recourse, but man you are doing a little too much guestimation in believing Blue Marvel clearly beat out Namor in that flashback along with it being a close fight. I mean now you're using real world mma to back up your claim.
No...it's simple really. Fight shown, fight talked about, fight discussed, fight compared to another fight...lucky punch which they both agreed on. If the lucky punch didn't have merit they wouldn't have brought it up. No it's an example as you don't seem to get the fact when one refers to a lucky punch they generally refer to a lucky punch ending the fight. Simple. Not sure why this is so hard. Even Marvel agreed it being lucky, and it being a lucky punch means he was lucky it went in his favor...ta da. This is even applied in real life not just in another comic book fights.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again you are doing way too much guestimation.http://i.imgur.com/gMIfgSK.jpg
What we see here is PG not easily subduing 2 individuals that looked similar to the alien that had CS beat, but carrying 2 aliens to safety after an apparent explosion. We don't exactly know how the battle went down. Now I can even go to a whole other tangent in which PG > CS, but that's a wall of text I really don't feel inclined to add 😛 . We also see PG refer to the "team" in succeeding. A more logical conjecture would be these so called Qorathi are no slouches, but they are not team busters individually. Like I've said in an earlier post, if CS gets taken out by a gas station explosion, then you can cry PIS all you want.
Again 2 others agreed it was PIS and you're the only one arguing it's not. Ummm...carrying away two super powered inviduals while doing nothing is showing superior control and power
Wait so you think PG > CS even though we already saw him take her best shot? Sure Galan will love that.
bwahaha you said I was guestimating to much now your doing it here. You said I was misleading and one post later you did it yourself 😬
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm crying foul at what looks to me ultimately irrelevant examples to bring down his fight with the Avengers in order to lessen that feat and ultimately lessen BM. We have after all have both taken a specific side in proving whose case is the more plausible. I mean you'd have a point if Ms. M or Iron Man was able to somehow beat him or at least looked really good in doing a loss to him, but to bring up specific instances of BM uttering "ahhh" from a repulsor shot and "uggh" from an elbow shot is just a bit petty.
riiiiight. Saying I was misleading and you "expected more from me" is proof enough you were crying foul. No I said BM was top tier, what I showed was him still being hurt. Shall I not show him in direct fights now? That's taking out a huge amount of context, which you wish for me to do concerning BM (have done that with Anti-Man now...twice). No I never said Iron Man could beat him, but if Iron Man, Sentry and Ares could do that to Marvel and in comparison Namor fighting the same people and in similar circumstances we can get somewhat of a level. He got hurt....there's not avoiding it or ignoring it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's misleading as made no other comment or claim other then he got hurt by them....WHICH HE DID.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm going exactly by what you posted and I'm not disagreeing with what may have been going on off-panel. What I'm reiterating from your very own scans is the dominance displayed by Sentry over Namor throughout the majority of their tussle. If you can't see that, then you're either refusing to look or there are panels you may have missed in posting.
Except dominance would mean one person is completely brutalizing another where he isn't even fighting back and causing all kinds of damage. Never happened and Namor kept fighting and was completely fine and still standing while Sentry flew off. If we were just going by what we saw? Yes, Sentry looked better. However, that wasn't the entire fight nor was Namor even close to being ko'ed. If he was truly being dominated or getting "worked" he would have all kinds of damage or showed signs of slowing down. Neither happened, so how is that a negative against Namor again as he was still in the fight? Also again that's all we saw, doesn't mean that's all that happened. So since you don't know you can't make any claims, because you know that's..... guestamating.
We know the fight was a long dragged out fight as we saw what was going on in Utopia while they were fighting. You don't read just a paragraph to accurately gauge a book now do you? We only saw snippets of a long fight which wasn't even close to being done nor were they even close to slowing down. Now that's not guestamation...that's fact.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Team vs one amped up individual....which is different. I noticed you never made mention he was amped against the Avengers in attempt to portray how powerful he is without adding the context. We don't know how powerful 1960's Anti-man was. Is it impressive sure, but not as much as you tried to show.You mean where he said he could beat him because he could synch with his powers? Context again 😬 No I have the scans. When bloodlusted BM fought Anti-Man you forgot his power was already dispersing from the gamma blast as well as BM already synching with him. Anti-Man was weakening
BM's final confrontation with Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_027_zps60bef1f7.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_028_zpsba299473.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_029_zpsb90eeef1.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_030_zpsf82cd092.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_031_zps6c5ab9d5.jpg
Context? I specifically stated that he outmuscled him in their final confrontation. Scans speak for themselves. And your idea that Anti-Man was weakening in an attempt to downplay BM again is laughable. BM's earlier attempt to synch ended in utter failure. He was overpowered on panel by AM. The book even stated that he was "trying" to synch with Anti-Man "to disperse" AM's energy. I can post those too if you want.
Now scan 2 clearly shows he's growing in even more power. In fact, Anti-Man's earlier battle with the Avengers in that arc was a weaker version than what he was in issue #5. We know this because it was stated several times in the series that he was growing in power as the issues went by. Guess where he fought the Avengers for the first time? Correct! Issue #1!
So basically like I truthfully said, BM physically outmuscled an Anti-Man that was more powerful than ever.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In all honesty, I forgot to mention that he was growing in strength at the time he was stomping the Avengers. There are a couple of reasons. Like I said, it was a team that consisted of very powerful individuals vs one growing in power villain. Doesn't it kind of even out since BM was going one on one? It is more impressive than you are making it out to be.
Another reason is it's all moot as you will soon see.BM's final confrontation with Anti-Man
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_027_zps60bef1f7.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_028_zpsba299473.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_029_zpsb90eeef1.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_030_zpsf82cd092.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_031_zps6c5ab9d5.jpgContext? I specifically stated that he outmuscled him in their final confrontation. Scans speak for themselves. And your idea that Anti-Man was weakening in an attempt to downplay BM again is laughable. BM's earlier attempt to synch ended in utter failure. He was overpowered on panel by AM. The book even stated that he was "trying" to synch with Anti-Man "to disperse" AM's energy. I can post those too if you want.
Now scan 2 clearly shows he's growing in even more power. In fact, Anti-Man's earlier battle with the Avengers in that arc was a weaker version than what he was in issue #5. We know this because it was stated several times in the series that he was growing in power as the issues went by. Guess where he fought the Avengers for the first time? Correct! Issue #1!So basically like I truthfully said, BM physically outmuscled an Anti-Man that was more powerful than ever.
Suuuuuure and yet you claim I was misleading, but I actually provided context. You on the other hand....did not....twice
Neglecting to mention Anti-Man was weakning when he over-powered Anti-Man is leaving out a large amount of context 😬
Again you still didn't include the page before the fight where it mentions it was working and Anti-Man screaming out in pain....yeah...clearly laughable 🙄 Why you keep asking if I want the scan is silly as clearly I have the comic and have been providing the scans
Yeah let's show how the Avengers did against Anti-man in issue #5 which was much more stronger....wow much better then in the #1.
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_021_zps5a1a6e9f.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_022_zps9cf8f865.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_023_zps55dcdea3.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_024_zps9852510a.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_025_zps140e28a9.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_026_zps7ce7a881.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_027_zpseed8e9ca.jpg
Notice Marvel's energy synching field was still going even when he charged him in a bloodlust mode. In space he instantly dissipated him without much issue. So the very "logical conjecture" would be the synch was still going on, he just couldn't dissipate him. So since he did start the sync and we have confirmation it was working there would be a power transfer as you know, because their one and the same...and that's why sync means.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No...it's simple really. Fight shown, fight talked about, fight discussed, fight compared to another fight...lucky punch which they both agreed on. If the lucky punch didn't have merit they wouldn't have brought it up. No it's an example as you don't seem to get the fact when one refers to a lucky punch they generally refer to a lucky punch ending the fight. Simple. Not sure why this is so hard. Even Marvel agreed it being lucky, and it being a lucky punch means he was lucky it went in his favor...ta da. This is even applied in real life not just in another comic book fights.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Again 2 others agreed it was PIS and you're the only one arguing it's not. Ummm...carrying away two super powered inviduals while doing nothing is showing superior control and powerWait so you think PG > CS even though we already saw him take her best shot? Sure Galan will love that..
Notice the smiley face. No in reality I have them at or around the same level.
Originally posted by -K-M-I guess you didn't get my point in the "guesstimation". 🙁
bwahaha you said I was guestimating to much now your doing it here. You said I was misleading and one post later you did it yourself 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-Really? You know how many times a character blurts "ugghhs" and "ahhhs" which end up being irrelevant? What I see is you creating something that is not there and like I said petty. You even went as far as to describe that fight as "not being good for Marvel" and chose to use petty reasoning like the one's you are using. That is why I even bothered to call you out on it. He was fighting a whole team which consisted of the Avengers's best at that time for crying out loud. And yet you try to downplay it with such reasoning? Come the phukk on...
riiiiight. Saying I was misleading and you "expected more from me" is proof enough you were crying foul. No I said BM was top tier, what I showed was him still being hurt. Shall I not show him in direct fights now? That's taking out a huge amount of context, which you wish for me to do concerning BM (have done that with Anti-Man now...twice). No I never said Iron Man could beat him, but if Iron Man, Sentry and Ares could do that to Marvel and in comparison Namor fighting the same people and in similar circumstances we can get somewhat of a level. He got hurt....there's not avoiding it or ignoring it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's misleading as made no other comment or claim other then he got hurt by them....WHICH HE DID.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Except dominance would mean one person is completely brutalizing another where he isn't even fighting back and causing all kinds of damage. Never happened and Namor kept fighting and was completely fine and still standing while Sentry flew off. If we were just going by what we saw? Yes, Sentry looked better. However, that wasn't the entire fight nor was Namor even close to being ko'ed. If he was truly being dominated or getting "worked" he would have all kinds of damage or showed signs of slowing down. Neither happened, so how is that a negative against Namor again as he was still in the fight? Also again that's all we saw, doesn't mean that's all that happened. So since you don't know you can't make any claims, because you know that's..... guestamating.We know the fight was a long dragged out fight as we saw what was going on in Utopia while they were fighting. You don't read just a paragraph to accurately gauge a book now do you? We only saw snippets of a long fight which wasn't even close to being done nor were they even close to slowing down. Now that's not guestamation...that's fact.
