Originally posted by The_Tempesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ_j3s5xj8I&t=0m53s
Protip: your trolling here would be more effective if that were actually within the realm of possibility.Resume.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In-fact, Mr. Avellone envisioned True Sith as incredibly powerful Force-users, he envisioned them like Celestials (no, I am not joking). BioWare have been very moderate in depicting the power of its characters in general. I hope that this situation would change under Disney.
Firstly, that's bull shit. The Sith Empire was always intended to be a match for the republic, that's the point. They were a continuation of what they used to be, they are always the Yin to the republic's Yang. Equal forces that are usually tipped due to one unpredictable event.
However you have finally admitted you're a raging TOR fanboy by hoping that Disney make the Sith Empire celestial-level.
Originally posted by Selenial
Firstly, that's bull shit. The Sith Empire was always intended to be a match for the republic, that's the point. They were a continuation of what they used to be, they are always the Yin to the republic's Yang. Equal forces that are usually tipped due to one unpredictable event.However you have finally admitted you're a raging TOR fanboy by hoping that Disney make the Sith Empire celestial-level.
Here:
"Part of the fun with designing them," he adds, "was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things?
If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."
Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-31-fear-is-the-path-to-the-dark-side
In addition;
Reconstituted ancient Sith Empire represents the epitome of progress of ancient Sith in all aspects. Sith became more learned in the ways of the Force, produced better technology, enforced higher quality training and became more organized then ever before.
As far as 'bull shit' and 'raging TOR fanboy' comments are concerned, your idiocy have limits or not? You need to improve your reading skills. Next time, if you don't understand a point or if you are lacking in knowledge, ask for clarification instead of trolling. You are pathetic at trolling as well, I assure you. Trolls of KMC do a much better job then you.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Celestial level? What?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
LOL, it's ****ing stupid.The Ones are beyond the level of ANY Jedi or Sith.
Celestials were once a civilization of powerful Force-users who had extremely advanced technology under their disposal like Rakatans.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. Please explain to me how it is any more hyperbolic than the statement that Bane appeared to be wielding 12 sabers at once which is obviously hyperbole as he has but one?Also explain how skill alone could make one's lightsaber appear to be everywhere.
Bane's feat is a specific description of aftereffects with a specific number mentioned and isn't an obvious exaggeration. Dooku's feat is vague and clearly exaggerated for effect. Furthermore, Bane's feat comes from the viewpoint of Zannah, making the feat more impressive because of her enhanced perceptions.
Dooku's skill was such that his blade was always in position to turn aside Obi-Wan's. I've heard the phrase used as "I couldn't penetrate his defense. His sword seemed everywhere."
Originally posted by Beniboybling
2. Considering Kenobi was overwhelmed, no. If Kenobi was not overwhelmed though also no, however it would mean he comes pretty darn close as he effectively has to be in almost twenty places at once. Anyway you've contradicted yourself here. You say that Grievous could strike 20 times per second with one saber, yet simultaneously claim that with one saber he can only strike 5 times per second. So are you admitting that the more lightsabers Grievous has the more times he can strike per second or what?
The book itself says that Kenobi's defense was successful not because of speed though:
"After all, he had often walked unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, defended only by the Force's direction of his blade; countering twelve blows per second was only difficult, not impossible. His blade wove an intricate web of angles and curves, never truly fast but always just fast enough, each motion of his lightsaber subtly interfering with three or four or eight of the general's strikes, the rest sizzling past him, his precise, minimal shifts of weight and stance slipping them by centimeters."
That whole paragraph pretty much proves my point so pwned! Bow before the Ultimate Perfection!
Also I don't get where you thought I was arguing Grievous could attack 20 per second with one lightsaber. With one lightsaber he'd attack 5 times a second. With 4 lightsabers, he'd still only be attacking 5 times with that one lightsaber and 5 times with the other 3.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
3. I don't recall Yoda being wounded, but I'm not trying to put Dooku on the same level as Yoda. He doesn't need to be on that level to even match Bane.
"As Yoda released Whirry from his mind's hold, and let her spill gently onto the flagstones far below, the tip of Dooku's lightsaber scored a burning line across his shoulder. The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light.
"I've hurt you!" Dooku cried.
"Many times," Yoda said."
Originally posted by Beniboybling
4. Thank you. And I suggested that it was an indication of overall power if there was no evidence to suggest that those being compared were lacking, a fully accept that powerful Force Users just don't have that much of an affinity/training in lightning, or in perhaps this case, a more reserved use of it, or a combination of all.And no you couldn't. See #4.
Ok, but you have to admit that Bane's lightning and TK is very powerful and you underestimated him as a combatant, right? 😉
I mean, being capable of complete disintegration of multiple opponents with both is highly devastating uses of the Force.
See #4 of what? You put 4 and 5 here multiple times. I assume you mean the evidence thing, but I say that if Dooku lacks the feats to indicate he can repel Bane's assault, suggesting he could is baseless speculation.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
5. Well I'm not going to push that point because I'm not an expert on Vos, and we always have Ventress, Kenobi and Sora.
Dooku being able to dominate lesser Force Users doesn't suggest parity with Bane. Bane was capable of such in PoD, let alone DoE.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
4. An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. 😉
True, but without evidence you have to argument against against my claim that Dooku lacks the defense to defend against Bane's attacks.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
5. With TK?
They were technobeasts that Bane disintegrated. Plus in DoE while drugged he disintegrates his chains to escape.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Anyway Dooku did not just break off a piece and let if fall. Look closely:The bridge begins nowhere near the transport, yet it falls right on top of it. In order to achieve that effect Dooku would have had to influence the entire structure and move it a considerable distance.
Ok, he directed its fall somewhat. Not impressed over much.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Again said metal bridge would have weighed more than that stone archway, meaning Dooku could have easily collapsed it. Especially considering he has collapsed a cave before.
I doubt that's true. For one thing the archway is solid stone, while the bridge wasn't. For another the archway was very large and in scale was considerable in comparison to the rest of the temple .
Note that the temple was clearly scaled down in the game and was likely quite a bit larger than appeared there, judging from the size of the floors inside it and as described in PoD.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Admittedly shockwave feats aren't directly comparable to manipulation feats. But considering the same effect is achieved the energy output is likely similar.
No, it's nowhere near it. I'll say it again, Bane collapses the entire temple and the shockwave was powerful enough to shake the very foundations which we know are very far down underground. And even if that wasn't true the energy output needed to obliterate that much stone is above whats needed to collapse that bridge and guide its fall.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
That said I'd rather draw attention to the fact that this massive shockwave wasn't even enough to break through Kas'im's Force shield. Even if we take into account the fact that Bane's powers increased since then, Dooku could do that with a flick of his wrist.
Because it was a Force Wave. So the power was spread out in a wide arc. Kas'im was only hit by a small part of the wave itself, so obviously he could defend against it. Even so that small part would have liquidated his bones.
What ridiculous wank. Theres no way Dooku could obliterate the walls and ceiling of the entrance let alone collapse the temple with a flick of his wrist.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And no, he did not collapse the temple himself. He collapsed the archway and without its support the roof caved in.
Lolwut? Look at the picture. The archway doesn't support any part of the roof. Bane's wave destroys the temple.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
6. And my point is he can. Easily. Very easily.
Pfft.
Ok, first one he beat her after a long fight. If it was so easy he could have ragdolled her after one of the times he'd blasted Savage to his knees. It's confirmed that Dooku had a tough fight in that episode. Even so I never suggested he couldn't overpower her, just not without effort.
Second one, he hit her with lightning when she was recklessly running at him with no sign of defense. And we even see that she can block his lightning in your first video with her lightsabers. So It was inexperience and recklessness that led to that.
And in the last one she'd assumed he was defeated and had her lightsaber raised above her head, unable to defend against his lightning. He caught her and her friends off-guard and with their defenses lowered. It wasn't "very easy" for him. He couldn't do that normally.
@Beniboybling
So I should accept your concession in this debate?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=595434&pagenumber=38
Key points:-
- Dromund Kaas is not a nexus of dark side energy on the whole
- Emperor's capability to collapse buildings
- Revan > Vader
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDid I give you one?
@BeniboyblingSo I should accept your concession in this debate?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=595434&pagenumber=38
Key points:-
- Dromund Kaas is not a nexus of dark side energy on the whole
- Emperor's capability to collapse buildings
- Revan > Vader
Some of us have lives Legend, and the small portion of my life I dedicate you debunking your arguments is unfortunately not large enough to deal with all your claptrap at once.
So be patient. Or even better, do some productive like rethink your stance.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Did I give you one?Some of us have lives Legend, and the small portion of my life I dedicate you debunking your arguments is unfortunately not large enough to deal with all your claptrap at once.
So be patient. Or even better, do some productive like rethink your stance.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Did I give you one?Some of us have lives Legend, and the small portion of my life I dedicate you debunking your arguments is unfortunately not large enough to deal with all your claptrap at once.
So be patient. Or even better, do some productive like rethink your stance.
Yeh, like posting the new Kaggath.
Hint hint.
I have returned to SWTOR: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7788751#post7788751
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Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Originally Posted by LadyKulvax
Those are merely some of the quotes I have found, but Surik never had that kind of connection to the Cosmic Force not even close, did she have a very strong connection to the Light Side of the Force? yes but Nomi was actively so connected that she is stated to be the ONLY thing stopping the Dark Side from becoming the dominant power.I would also bring to your attention that the Sith Triumvirate was not very big at all, however the Brotherhood of the Sith that Exar Kun left:
"Dozens of groups began to embrace the Dark Side, remnants of Kun's Sith Brotherhood spawned yet more Sith groups it was not until the Mandalorian Wars broke out that the Sith were put to the side to deal with the much larger threat to the galaxy, once Darth Revan assumed the mantle of Dark Lord, all the remnants of the Brotherhood flocked to the Dark Lord's side and the teachings of sorcery and alchemy became common amongst his Sith Empire, many of the leaders of these groups became Sith Masters, instructing the Dark Jedi in the true Sith arts."
More important is the simple fact that Sunrider unlike Surik is *confirmed* to be a powerful master of Battle Meditation and can even use the technique to block Sith illusions and mind control techniques she is also stated:
"The art of Battle Meditation never came so naturally to a Jedi as it did to Nomi Sunrider, just as many techniques did, in her presence Jedi would fight in cohesion without the need for words, becoming a small army in of themselves perfectly complementing one another."
That sounds suspiciously like Battle Meld to me and then there is this:
"Once she had attained the rank of Grand Master, Sunrider understood the ebb and flow of the galaxy, did not question it's events and began to simply accept the role of a Jedi, to maintain the peace and finally let go of her daughter, she knew that no attachments could remain if she was to do her duty, to fulfill the role the Force had designed her to be in, to reconstruct the Order and instate the code that Odan-Urr had written so long ago.
She knew why her husband died, she knew why she had a change of heart, she knew what life her daughter would live and accepted that life and death were merely larger tests in a grander design, she had let go of everything and welcomed her physical death the day it had come, though darkness would fall she had seen what lay past it."
That is an exceptional understanding of the Cosmic Force.
Then we have Tutaminis on a scale only shown by Luke Skywalker:
"As she charged across the plains of Onderon, a laser from one of the fortresses many heavy turbolaser defenses approached her and her Jedi companions, time slowed around her and almost accepting her death she dropped her blade and stretched out her arms, as time returned to her she saw nothing, her Jedi companions in awe, then she felt energy crackling through her veins, she had absorbed the energy but her body felt like it would implode, her arms ached, her legs buckled, muscles tightening, her chest ached and her skin was smoking, as if she had somehow understood what she had done, she channelled all the energy into her palms and sent out a thundering energy wave completely annihilating one of the Naddists' siege barges.
With this she collapsed, feeling so numbed by the pain that she felt nearly paralysed, she began sweating profusely, beads rolled down her chest, dripped off her forehead and showered her back, but somehow this display had awoken in her an understanding a comprehension of the power inside her, she knew the pain did not really exist, it was all in her mind, so she shut it out grasped the hilt of her blade with the Force and caught up with her contemporaries."
Oh and as far as Sion goes, Surik had a significant advantage, he loved her and he was conflicted greatly, Surik had to use Dun Moch to convince him to let go of the Dark Side and then he died.
There is no difference here besides the fact that Darth Sion was in love with Meetra Surik, otherwise she would have eventually tired out and died, something Sunrider did not do in three days of fighting him and his Dark Jedi lackeys.
This to me is by far the most impressive thing she has done:
"Tatooine drew her attention as she felt a dark presence on the planet, it was not powerful but was nonetheless there. Eventually she found her way to a cave where this presence was, she found no living beings only an astrogation chart, at first she wondered what this incomplete map led to but something told her this was not a journey she was meant to take, she had intruded however, intruded on a Krayt Dragon's lair, the creature was clearly drawn to the power here and by the skeletons and decomposing remains of other beasts that lay here, so were many others.
But putting her attention back to the living one, she found herself cornered in the outcropping the Dragon let out a deafening roar a clear sign of attack, as it came lumbering in to devour her, she gripped the beast with the Force, lifting it and then slamming it into the wall, not wishing to kill the injured beast the Grand Master leaped out of the cave to it's opening, at first she considered to heal the beast of it's broken leg but realised slightly too late that it's tail was following her, she felt her ribs, arm and hip crack as it whipped her right side.
Clearly believing it's prey to be dead, it lumbered over to her, it's tongue ready to envelop her, at this moment she stretched her right arm out and removed the beast from the ground beneath, she threw the gargantuan beast into it's cave, sensing the presence of many others closing in, she departed the area rather than cause more harm to the inhabitants of the world.
No Sith or Dark Acolytes were here and so this planet had nothing for her."
Very impressive displays of telekinesis.
Having read more about Sunrider I am getting the feeling she is the most powerful Jedi of the entire era.
"As the Grand Master of the order she would spend her days not deliberating in chambers or meditating on the power of theForce but instead hunting down the remains of the Sith, the cults and brptherhoods that formed after Kun's imprisonment, she knew that left unchecked yet another Dark Lord would rise in their place.
Eventually towards the end of her life after decades of no contact to the order, she returned to only her daughter Vima and warned her of a dark wheel turning, a vast blackness hiding behind the ruins of the Old Sith Empire, she felt in her gut that many wars would follow and so she created the council and the three paths and much more, hoping that an organised Jedi Order could survive the chaos to come." - Tales of the Jedi companion
"Darkly he proclaimed 'I am Sion, Lord of Pain and Lord of the Sith and you cannot kill me.' instead of exchanging words with the abomination before her, she simply attempted to cut the beast off from the Force but she realised this monster had become the Dark Side and such techniques would not work. Ziost was their battleground, time and again she would cut him down and once more he would rise anew. Aided by his minions the fight lasted three nights, despite the freezing temperatures and the well of darkness swirling through the collapsing fortresses, she would cut down more and more Dark Jedi until finally when Sion realised this engagement was one he could not win, he fled and no matter how much she chased him he would not be found again." - Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide Collector's Edition
"Sunrider became a legendary name among the Order, her connection to the Cosmic Force was vast and wide, she would often speak of how she felt the stars burning in her mind, how she felt the trillions in her heart but one planet in all the skies haunted her till her last breath, a planet under a massive burning and raging sun, one man above all concerned her most, her only true equal amongst the Sith Lords, Exar Kun." - Tionne
"Among all the Jedi it would be Grand Master Sunrider whom left her mark on the galaxy, she was a beacon of light holding back the Darkness, a vast darkness to consume the galaxy, when finally she passed away, the light went out clouded in darkness, the galaxy had changed." - KotOR CG
Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Originally Posted by LadyKulvax
Do you just like to call people out at random or what oh and unless you have forgotten, their are two editions of TotJ one from 1996 and one from 2004 meant as a supplement to the KotOR CG, it was not its own book and infact is detailed under "adventures of Nomi Sunrider" oh by the way that KotOR CG has FOUR editions; the standard which is easy to find, the deluxe hardback, the Limited gloss print with foreward from Chris Avellone and the Limited Collector's Edition which has over a hundred extra pages dedicated to setting, it was only released in Canada and the U.K because thry failed to realease the Limited Edition in anywhere but the U.S.A.