Originally posted by Nephthys1. Please explain to me how it is any more hyperbolic than the statement that Bane appeared to be wielding 12 sabers at once which is obviously hyperbole as he has but one?
That's an obvious and classic hyperbolic exaggeration. That phrase is used to describe human-speed characters in books, it's not a legit speed feat. Plus look at the context, it's describing Dooku's skill, not his speed.So Obi-Wan's 1 lightsaber is literally 4 times as fast as any one of Grievous'? Don't be ridiculous. Obi-Wan deals with Grievous through skill, not sheer speed. In the same book Obi-Wan explicitly claims Grievous is faster than he is.
Yes, Grievous is increasing his speed there. But he's still only as fast as he would be if he only had one lightsaber. Which is 5 strikes her second only.
Wookieepedia isn't a source.
And Yoda being wounded at the start of the fight.
"Bane didn't take the time to revel in the fear of his fallen enemies. Before they even hit the ground he'd turned his attention to the third opponent, unleashing a storm of Sith lightning that reduced the riders to ash and the drexl into a hunk of charred and smoking flesh that dropped from the sky." -RoT
"He didn't stay down, however. He sprang back to his feet, simultaneously drawing his lightsaber with his right hand as he sent a blast of lightning out from the fingertips of his left. The violet bolts should have incinerated all four of his targets on the balcony, yet again the strange power interfering with his ability to draw upon the Force hindered his efforts." - DoE
"The Iktotchi landed just as Bane unleashed a wave of crackling electricity that burned away the webbing of the tangle guns." - DoE
"He met their assault with an explosion of crackling energy that rippled out in a violet wave from his body at the center.
The incoming bolts were absorbed harmlessly into the ionic storm, the blasters themselves melted in the hands of their owners. The stench of burned flesh mingled with their screams of agony and the relentless, hammering song of the alarms, further feeding Bane's power." - DoE
"Turning her head to follow the course of the misguided bolt, Zannah saw where the first had hit the wall. The stone had been disintegrated in a fist-sized hole, revealing something that looked like bright red plastic beneath it." - DoE
It may not be a deal closer, but it's an important factor that Bane is clearly superior in. Dooku's never shown the ability to deflect lightning that powerful, so I can easily suggest Bane's lightning would eff him up. Plus didn't you suggest just yesterday that lightning is an indication of overall power?
Bane didn't disintegrate the technobeasts with lightning, he did it with TK:
"Bane thrust out with the Force, and a dozen of the oncoming creatures exploded into dust and tiny flecks of small, twisted metal........ That enemy vanquished, he used the Force to disintegrate two more advancing technobeasts" -RoT
I find Quinlan Vos' lameness more disturbing.
So Bane wins by default. excellent
I think you mean stone, not steel and as I posted above, Bane is capable of disintegrating metal which is a great deal more powerful than merely breaking a part of a metal structure.
What? Bane did collapse the whole building. The archway falls and then the rest of the roof follows it. You say Dooku's feat is better but it blatantly isn't. The amount of force needed to utterly obliterate stone is more than is needed to simply break a metal object that's already supporting its own weight plus the amount he destroyed it vaaaaaaaastly more than Dooku did. All Dooku did was pull down a scaffold, Bane destroyed a massive building.
My point was that he clearly can't effortlessly dominate her like he did on Vjun. [/B]
Also explain how skill alone could make one's lightsaber appear to be everywhere.
2. Considering Kenobi was overwhelmed, no. If Kenobi was not overwhelmed though also no, however it would mean he comes pretty darn close as he effectively has to be in almost twenty places at once. Anyway you've contradicted yourself here. You say that Grievous could strike 20 times per second with one saber, yet simultaneously claim that with one saber he can only strike 5 times per second. So are you admitting that the more lightsabers Grievous has the more times he can strike per second or what?
3. I don't recall Yoda being wounded, but I'm not trying to put Dooku on the same level as Yoda. He doesn't need to be on that level to even match Bane.
4. Thank you. And I suggested that it was an indication of overall power if there was no evidence to suggest that those being compared were lacking, a fully accept that powerful Force Users just don't have that much of an affinity/training in lightning, or in perhaps this case, a more reserved use of it, or a combination of all.
And no you couldn't. See #4.
5. Well I'm not going to push that point because I'm not an expert on Vos, and we always have Ventress, Kenobi and Sora.
4. An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. 😉
5. With TK?
Anyway Dooku did not just break off a piece and let if fall. Look closely:
The bridge begins nowhere near the transport, yet it falls right on top of it. In order to achieve that effect Dooku would have had to influence the entire structure and move it a considerable distance.
Again said metal bridge would have weighed more than that stone archway, meaning Dooku could have easily collapsed it. Especially considering he has collapsed a cave before.
Admittedly shockwave feats aren't directly comparable to manipulation feats. But considering the same effect is achieved the energy output is likely similar.
That said I'd rather draw attention to the fact that this massive shockwave wasn't even enough to break through Kas'im's Force shield. Even if we take into account the fact that Bane's powers increased since then, Dooku could do that with a flick of his wrist.
And no, he did not collapse the temple himself. He collapsed the archway and without its support the roof caved in.
6. And my point is he can. Easily. Very easily.
