Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wrong again, by feats Mystique is superior holding victories over Logan who's better than anybody bucky has beaten. Unless of course you can name somebody better than Bucky beat. Ready, set GO!!!
By feats, the Wolverine that Mystique fought in X1 was nowhere near the top of his game, in fact he was rather pathetic skill wise.
Bucky >>>> X1 Wolverine.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Waiting on that proof that Creed is more durable
You mean Cap?
Well let's see. We'll start off with durability feats from Origins Victor.
Origins:
Gets blasted by Deadpool's optic beams.
That's really the only durability feat I can think of from him. All other damage he gets is from getting stabbed by Logan or Deadpool. Which of course is a seperate feat as his healing factor handles that.
Captain America: The First Avenger
(Haven't seen this in a while so I may be missing a lot of his durability feats)
Took hits from Red Skull, his physical equal, like a champ.
Crashed into freezing water in a plane and was frozen for roughly 70 years with absolutely no damage at all.
Avengers:
Fist fights with Loki and tanks his hits despite Loki's very evident strength advantage.
Gets blasted in the gut by a Chitauri laser cannon, gets right back in the fight.
Gets exploded out of a building, falls at least two stories, lands on a car...gets right back up and into the fight.
Winter Soldier:
Falls from cloud level into the ocean without any injury whatsoever.
Gets zapped with high voltage stun rods a few times during the elevator fight, and keeps going.
Falls at least 50 stories from the elevator to the ground, gets right back up.
Bucky blows up the bus he's in, and Cap is just fine.
Got shot 3 times, was still fighting Bucky.
Jumps several hundred feet from one Hellicarrier to another, and is unharmed when he lands.
Took a lot of shots from Bucky's robo-arm in stride. He even let him wail on his face for a while and all he got was a split on the bridge of his nose. This is the same arm that was cracking concrete, let him use a knife to slice through a van, and ripped an entire steering column from a car.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why would he.. his claws are apart of him.. Cap's shield is not, it's an external weapon.
Cap's shield is just as much a part of him as Creed's claws as Thor's hammer as Drax's knives. Logan doesn't have to use his claws when he fights, and neither does Creed. A pure h2h fight is just that, no weapons no matter what form they take.
Originally posted by KingD19\
Cap's shield is just as much a part of him as Creed's claws as Thor's hammer as Drax's knives. Logan doesn't have to use his claws when he fights, and neither does Creed. A pure h2h fight is just that, no weapons no matter what form they take.
King you are desperately reaching here and it's not pretty. Cap's shield IS NOT a part of him. It's something he has to hold and keep with him by physically holding it. or attaching it to him somehow. Creed's claws are inside of him. To even suggest they are the same is laughable at best, retarded at worst.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
\King you are desperately reaching here and it's not pretty. Cap's shield IS NOT a part of him. It's something he has to hold and keep with him by physically holding it. or attaching it to him somehow. Creed's claws are inside of him. To even suggest they are the same is laughable at best, retarded at worst.
The shield has always been standard equipment.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Then you should have no issue listing the people bucky beat than.. Ready set GO!!!
Per feats Bucky showed more strength, speed, durability and skill than X1 Wolverine.
I never said physically; to think I meant that speaks volumes.
I meant when people think of Captain America, they think of him and his shield. When they think of Thor, they think of him and his hammer. It's pretty much a part of him in all but the physical sense and everyone but you seems to realize that.
In a hand to hand fight, that typically means no weapons of any kind, even natural. If I said Logan is in a h2h fight with someone, I would assume his claws would stay inside because it's h2h. If I just said a fight, he's free to pop them as soon as the bell rings. It's simple.
And lol at me reaching. Nobody in this thread seems to be reaching here but you buddy.
Originally posted by KingD19
You mean Cap?Well let's see. We'll start off with durability feats from Origins Victor.
Origins:
Gets blasted by Deadpool's optic beams.That's really the only durability feat I can think of from him. All other damage he gets is from getting stabbed by Logan or Deadpool. Which of course is a seperate feat as his healing factor handles that.
Captain America: The First Avenger
(Haven't seen this in a while so I may be missing a lot of his durability feats)
Took hits from Red Skull, his physical equal, like a champ.
Crashed into freezing water in a plane and was frozen for roughly 70 years with absolutely no damage at all.Avengers:
Fist fights with Loki and tanks his hits despite Loki's very evident strength advantage.
Gets blasted in the gut by a Chitauri laser cannon, gets right back in the fight.
Gets exploded out of a building, falls at least two stories, lands on a car...gets right back up and into the fight.Winter Soldier:
Falls from cloud level into the ocean without any injury whatsoever.
Gets zapped with high voltage stun rods a few times during the elevator fight, and keeps going.
Falls at least 50 stories from the elevator to the ground, gets right back up.
Bucky blows up the bus he's in, and Cap is just fine.
Got shot 3 times, was still fighting Bucky.
Jumps several hundred feet from one Hellicarrier to another, and is unharmed when he lands.
Took a lot of shots from Bucky's robo-arm in stride. He even let him wail on his face for a while and all he got was a split on the bridge of his nose. This is the same arm that was cracking concrete, let him use a knife to slice through a van, and ripped an entire steering column from a car.
Right and getting blasted by that is far greater than ANYTHING Cap has taken. Further, I'd like to know what feats of strength Loki has again? All those feats listed are nothing Creed couldn't take and easily
Originally posted by KingD19
I never said physically; to think I meant that speaks volumes.I meant when people think of Captain America, they think of him and his shield. When they think of Thor, they think of him and his hammer. It's pretty much a part of him in all but the physical sense and everyone but you seems to realize that.
In a hand to hand fight, that typically means no weapons of any kind, even natural. If I said Logan is in a h2h fight with someone, I would assume his claws would stay inside because it's h2h. If I just said a fight, he's free to pop them as soon as the bell rings. It's simple.
And lol at me reaching. Nobody in this thread seems to be reaching here but you buddy.
You said Cap's shield is just as much a part of him as Creed's claws.. That's the definition of reaching. NO in a h2h fight it's not assumed Cap gets his shield but we would assume Creed gets his claws. Just like wolverine gets his claws. You act like Creed or Wolverine can control when their claws come out. The movies slap us in he face with the fact that Wolverine can't really control them. Creeds claws are even more external and always there.. they just extend more for a fight. So there is absolutely no getting rid of his claws and to even suggest that means you must not know the characters or watched the movies.
nobody is reaching here.. Mystique is better h2h than Bucky and has a more impressive win than anybody bucky has beaten. I'll ask you gain... Who is the best person Bucky beat?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right and getting blasted by that is far greater than ANYTHING Cap has taken. Further, I'd like to know what feats of strength Loki has again? All those feats listed are nothing Creed couldn't take and easily
Ok wait hold on. Are you saying that Creed is as strong or stronger than Loki?!?!
Hah. I'm seriously tempted to make that match.
P.S. Mystique never beat Wolverine. In fact, Mystique has never beaten anyone of note.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Trading blows with Thor. Blocking hits from Mjolnir. Tanking Caps attacks and not even loosing ground.
Which is kinda my point.. he didn't have any n some of those aren't even strength n more about durability. Point is, loki doesn't yet we still know he's stronger than cap because we know the character from comics n what they must be basing him off of. Plus, the obvious fact of we know he's strong because he's engaging with really strong.. vastly stronger than human enemies. Creed isn't to that same degree yet he still needs the same application. He fight people better than who bucky or cap ever fight. Thus whether he has lifting feats isn't needed n rarely done by villains. So no, I don't think cap or bucky is as strong as saber tooth