Mystique vs Bucky

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's not an answer though.. why would it be ideally.. did you mean certainly Thanos would be stronger? how could he not be, being that he would be mostly based on comics and how he's portrayed there.. Once you answer I'll answer

Lol. "Once you answer I'll answer"? What are we, kindergarten students? What kind of childish nonsense is that? Just answer the question dude. I answered your question, it's not my fault that you don't like my answer.

Thanos is stronger than Cap in the comics. Thanos should be stronger than Cap in the movies. I'm expecting him to be. He should be. But none of us can say he'll "certainly be" without any proof because that would just be plain stupid. Sometimes movies take liberties with characters and tone them down or amp them up as they see fit. Mindset provided a good example of this:

Originally posted by Mindset
Movie characters will have the same powers, but that doesn't mean they will have the same level. Ronan in the comics would not have been able to physically beat Drax like he was a red headed step child like he did in the movies.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That wasn't close to the question though... Are movie characters that are based on comics generally always have the same traits.. personalities and powers that they show in comics. Isn't comics how they get what there powers and traits are for the movies ? Try and answer this time.

'Based on' doesn't mean anything in a debate, until movie Thanos actually gets feats we don't know what his movie stats are.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. "Once you answer I'll answer"? What are we, kindergarten students? What kind of childish nonsense is that? Just answer the question dude. I answered your question, it's not my fault that you don't like my answer.

Thanos is stronger than Cap in the comics. Thanos should be stronger than Cap in the movies. I'm expecting him to be. He should be. But none of us can say he'll "certainly be" without any proof because that would just be plain stupid. Sometimes movies take liberties with characters and tone them down or amp them up as they see fit. Mindset provided a good example of this:

But the point this stands that you don't need lifting feats to be stronger than somebody who does correct? Clearly some people are stronger and meant to be stronger whether they've lifted motorcycles carrying girls or not...

Loki is stronger than Sabertooth

Originally posted by Silent Master
'Based on' doesn't mean anything in a debate, until movie Thanos actually gets feats we don't know what his movie stats are.

What if he has no lifting feats at all? Are you saying you could call cap stronger ?

Originally posted by Mindset
Movie characters will have the same powers, but that doesn't mean they will have the same level. Ronan in the comics would not have been able to physically beat Drax like he was a red headed step child like he did in the movies.

Not really.. Drax has plenty of low showings and Ronan very well could beat him like that in a comic. The point is, they are basic on comic book characters and their abilities. Thanos doesn't need any lifting feats or feats of strength in a movie for us to say he's stronger than Cap.. correct?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What if he has no lifting feats at all? Are you saying you could call cap stronger ?

Then we'd look at Thanos' performance against other characters he fights and use that for comparison. But, you should know that already.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What if he has no lifting feats at all? Are you saying you could call cap stronger ?

Until movie Thanos has actual feats, we have no way of knowing what his stats are.

But we do know Ronan wasn't ready to talk big until he got the Power Gem. So the implied power is that he's far enough above Ronan that he was a loyal servant until he got enough power to rebel.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
But the point this stands that you don't need lifting feats to be stronger than somebody who does correct? Clearly some people are stronger and meant to be stronger whether they've lifted motorcycles carrying girls or not...

Loki is stronger than Sabertooth

Lifting feats are not the only valid strength feats but you do need some form of strength feat. Both Loki and Cap have strength feats that are not just lifting feats.

I don't recall any strength feat from Creed that shows him greater than Cap. If you think he does please feel free to mention them. Because so far the only reason you mentioned that you believed Creed to be just as strong is because he can beat up heroes and look badass.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lifting feats are not the only valid strength feats but you do need some form of strength feat. Both Loki and Cap have strength feats that are not just lifting feats.

I don't recall any strength feat from Creed that shows him greater than Cap. If you think he does please feel free to mention them. Because so far the only reason you mentioned that you believed Creed to be just as strong is because he can beat up heroes and look badass.

RIGHT and according to you.. all they need is beating up other heroes to prove strength.. You specifically mention this as being fine for showing strength did you not? So Creed doing that and physically dominating heroes.. heroes who are more powerful than Cap or Bucky should be enough right?

Right, but if thanos is just shown ordering people around and not fighting anybody.. why wouldn't we assume he's stronger than Cap? we all know what he's based on in comics and how strong he is there.. thus why does he NEED the feats to know he's stronger?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
RIGHT and according to you.. all they need is beating up other heroes to prove strength.. You specifically mention this as being fine for showing strength did you not? So Creed doing that and physically dominating heroes.. heroes who are more powerful than Cap or Bucky should be enough right?

Right, but if thanos is just shown ordering people around and not fighting anybody.. why wouldn't we assume he's stronger than Cap? we all know what he's based on in comics and how strong he is there.. thus why does he NEED the feats to know he's stronger?

Beating up or matching up to other heroes who HAD legitimate strength feats. Who did Creed beat or match up that had legit strength feats?

And it's not just a matter of defeating them, they need to show that they're matching or beating them in strength.

You didn't answer though.. If thanos doesn't fight anybody in the next movie and just order people around.. are you going to assume cap is stronger because he has strength feats and Thanos doesn't?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You didn't answer though.. If thanos doesn't fight anybody in the next movie and just order people around.. are you going to assume cap is stronger because he has strength feats and Thanos doesn't?

Yes I am. Happy?

Now quit dodging my question and answer it. Whom has Creed defeated that has legitimate strength feats? Whom has he matched up to that makes you believe he's as strong or stronger than Cap?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes I am. Happy?

Now quit dodging my question and answer it. Whom has Creed defeated that has legitimate strength feats? Whom has he matched up to that makes you believe he's as strong or stronger than Cap?

I'll answer it. Nobody.

Exactly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Exactly.

I don't understand what the hell we talking about anymore 😆

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't understand what the hell we talking about anymore 😆

We followed Kurupt down the rabbit hole, now we're in Wonderland. The winner of this match however has been decided long time ago. lol.

Lol, and,

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not really.. Drax has plenty of low showings and Ronan very well could beat him like that in a comic. The point is, they are basic on comic book characters and their abilities. Thanos doesn't need any lifting feats or feats of strength in a movie for us to say he's stronger than Cap.. correct?

By that reasoning, Cap could beat Thanos in the movie because Thanos has low showings in the comics.

Based on the vast majority of comic showings, Ronan should not be able to beat Drax easily, and Cap should not beat Thanos. However, Ronan did.

So in conclusion, WS stomps. 👆

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes I am. Happy?

Now quit dodging my question and answer it. Whom has Creed defeated that has legitimate strength feats? Whom has he matched up to that makes you believe he's as strong or stronger than Cap?

Not much needs to be said further. If you're incapable of using common sense and logic to say Thanos would be stronger than cap with no lifting feats... then we can't really progress.