Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait, any incarnation except the most recent?Lol, that's definitely how this is going to go........
I'm just saying the current one isn't usable due to lack of appearances. So if it's the current one, I'll close it. I gave you guys the chance to pick so that It wouldn't seem like I was making a ruling, but if I need to, that's fine with me.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait, Doomsday got ripped in half by Superman? 😂So naturally that means that we should defend Doomsday against Thor even though he lacks the feats to beat him... because that makes Superman ripping him in half even better!
Oh man, I gotta dl all the comics I missed. This should be a good one.
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@Pr...
I didn't even respond to ABHI in this thread.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, under the SAME writer. I can literally quote you from like a few days ago.Using your logic, no she isn't. Not if Doomsday who at that level was "Superman level in strength" was only able to knock Clark off his feet with a sucker punch but was able to break both her arms with a single punch.
Wonder Woman must have been having one of those famous fluctuation moments you ascribe to.
Of course he is. He's faced far stronger opponents and done far better and used Mjolnir on a variety of occasions.
And if Superman can incinerate him with heat vision, get completely run through by Diana's sword, he'd get wrecked by Thor's fists, much less Mjolnir.
What's so amusing? Thor has proven to be outright immune to certain radiation and exotic powers due to his heritage. Decay from the Exemplars could kill almost anything with his decaying touch but Thor was immune etc.
Not to mention Thor's ability to soak up damage and injury is easily comparable to Superman's.
So? Superman is exceptionally durable for top tiers.
He's also faced very few characters at this level and done very poorly.
Bwhahaha, Superman at that level would tear Thor to pieces.
You think Thor is more immune than the whole DC earth and its heroes? Wait, don't answer that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh yeah, Doomsday's "larvae form" also didn't one-shot kill or break all the bones of Kryptonian's (In their weapon suits) either:I've seen Abhil argue with far less evidence that it wasn't a good showing for Thor, but a bad one for his opponent in the past.
Curious how a person's mindset can change. mhmm
I guess Diana getting her arms broken by a single punch by a herald level being described as "Superman level" in strength just reflects on how shitty she was before Soule started "giving in" to fanboys. 😛
Getting stronger with each appearance. You are just butthurt at this point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How about Diana taking punches to the face from Doomsday with nothing but a bloody lip to show for it?I think it's safe to say that Diana's arms are just not very durable.
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All the Abhil level logic aside, it was clearly a very nice feat for Doomsday and meant to indicate that he is VERY STRONG and probably above Diana in sheer brute force.
I however don't subscribe to the idea that it definitely makes him above Herald level, much less subsequently proves that he beats up THOR in a fight when in the same series Zod did this to Clark:
And yet was unable to kill him or Diana while being powered up.
Hm.
I say doomsday takes 7/10
Thor could possibly defeat doomsday with his magic arsenal, but physically he would be curb stomped.
thor is powerful, I'd say he's marvels counterpart to superman in a way and their base powers are close.
Thor has very powerful energy manipulation, and doomsday evolved to become immne to certain things, and being from dcu wouldn't have encountered asgardian magic.
Thor would run through doomsday, really nothing doomsday can do that thor hasn't fought tougher. His position shit probably won't do much or work. He fought Gorr for godsake you can't compare anything from this doomsday to what Gorr has done or could do. He hurt Wonder woman and that about it for new feats and of course getting ripped in half. Thors fought against invulerable and immortal viking, a planet made of thor clones from ego the living planet. Even new thor who can't fight for shit lost a good amount of fights still hurt glory, mikaboshi, and of course Gorr.
Wasn't it stated that no one on earth could fight doomsday except for superman? The no one on earth includes Black Adam, Diana and other high heralds.
That's enough to include Doomsday into that tier or above.
Another reason why he has to be included in this tier is that his brute strength was just too much for wonder woman's superior fighting skill to handle. That superior skill allowed her to hang with 2 kryptonians but was useless against Doomsday's brute strength.
Finally, when was the last time some high herald broke a blocking high herald's arm with a single punch?
All this solidly puts doomsday physically in high herald or above tier.
I know why some few have a difficult time believing this because then, it will put superman on an entirely different level
Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't it stated that no one on earth could fight doomsday except for superman? The no one on earth includes Black Adam, Diana and other high heralds.That's enough to include Doomsday into that tier or above.
Another reason why he has to be included in this tier is that his brute strength was just too much for wonder woman's superior fighting skill to handle. That superior skill allowed her to hang with 2 kryptonians but was useless against Doomsday's brute strength.
Finally, when was the last time some high herald broke a blocking high herald's arm with a single punch?
All this solidly puts doomsday physically in high herald or above tier.
I know why some few have a difficult time believing this because then, it will put superman on an entirely different level
No one could fight him because of the poison. Crazy thing is Diana fought him right after that and brushed the poison off. She even thought she could beat him and damaged him to the point that he was on the ground coughing up blue poison. If Diana can withstand that poison...Thor can as well.
It was also stated that Superman can only be in range of the poison for 10 min.
Originally posted by carver9
No one could fight him because of the poison. Crazy thing is Diana fought him right after that and brushed the poison off. She even thought she could beat him and damaged him to the point that he was on the ground coughing up blue poison. If Diana can withstand that poison...Thor can as well.
Originally posted by carver9
It was also stated that Superman can only be in range of the poison for 10 min.
Only superman can last 10 mins.. everyone else was even less than 10 mins. Meaning superman is in a separate class than everyone on dc earth. But I'm not arguing superman's status, I'm arguing doomsday's tier when it is stated that the only being on the planet, possibly the galaxy that can hope to stop him is superman.
Side note, We now know that they were lowballing superman here because he did more then just stop him.
Originally posted by Diesldude
How did that fight end? Easy to underestimate your opponentOnly superman can last 10 mins.. everyone else was even less than 10 mins. Meaning superman is in a separate class than everyone on dc earth. But I'm not arguing superman's status, I'm arguing doomsday's tier when it is stated that the only being on the planet, possibly the galaxy that can hope to stop him is superman.
Side note, We now know that they were lowballing superman here because he did more then just stop him.
It ended in a stalemate because Superman showed up.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769654/1315339.jpg.html
Yes...only Superman could last 10 minutes because the poison would have killed anyone else much faster.
It never said anything about him being the only person in the Galaxy to stop him. It said that he have the most raw energy on the planet, possibly Galaxy for Doomsday to feed off of.
Diana ripped a hole through him and her battle scream gave Doomsday pause, to the point that he ran off (as shown per the scan above).
No one Is lowballing Superman. I just wish Doomsday had more showings we could use to base his power off of. We really don't know anything about the character.
Originally posted by carver9
It ended in a stalemate because Superman showed up.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18769654/1315339.jpg.html
Yes...only Superman could last 10 minutes because the poison would have killed anyone else much faster.
It never said anything about him being the only person in the Galaxy to stop him. It said that he have the most raw energy on the planet, possibly Galaxy for Doomsday to feed off of.
Diana ripped a hole through him and her battle scream gave Doomsday pause, to the point that he ran off (as shown per the scan above).
No one Is lowballing Superman. I just wish Doomsday had more showings we could use to base his power off of. We really don't know anything about the character.
You are. Now stop ****ing lying.
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Pak intended to make Doomsday a threat only Superman could take down. That was his (rather obvious) intent. People like Carver taking a steaming shit on it just because they don't like it, doesn't change that.
That said, Doomsday doesn't have enough feats for us to gain a true gauge of his level. So it's rather pointless to have THAT Doomsday going up against someone like Thor.
Pick another version guys, or I will.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You are. Now stop ****ing lying.==
Pak intended to make Doomsday a threat only Superman could take down. That was his (rather obvious) intent. People like Carver taking a steaming shit on it just because they don't like it, doesn't change that.
That said, Doomsday doesn't have enough feats for us to gain a true gauge of his level. So it's rather pointless to have THAT Doomsday going up against someone like Thor.
Pick another version guys, or I will.
I agree with you and never said anything different. I'm basically telling him what Luthor was referencing during that scene.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you and never said anything different. I'm basically telling him what Luthor was referencing during that scene.
No, you aren't.
So you're either lying, or you didn't read the comic. Which is it.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Trololol. The Thor lowball is real.
You're surprised?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see the quote bro.So? Superman is exceptionally durable for top tiers.
He's also faced very few characters at this level and done very poorly.
Bwhahaha, Superman at that level would tear Thor to pieces.
You think Thor is more immune than the whole DC earth and its heroes? Wait, don't answer that.
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Lol, are you implying Thor isn't? And while Superman is more durable than Diana, the entire arc with Zod makes it clear that at the very least on average, his edge over her in raw durability is not that huge.
Not even close man.
I don't get it, is that intended to be a counter point? So because Diana, Steel and other members of the Justice League are unable to resist Doomsday's radiation, Thor (Who despite having much better feats even against similar degradation) automatically cannot?
Heck, under certain writers, he might very well be outright immune against exotic stuff like this.
Unless you think everyone on Earth, literally meant every single being currently residing on Earth (Which it obviously didn't), I don't see why you wouldn't think Thor would fair at the very LEAST as well as Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Getting stronger with each appearance. You are just butthurt at this point.
Breaking bones with skills and leverage=/=breaking them with a strike. Go home rage, you're just babbling nonsense at this point.
How does that change anything I said?
Leverage and skill? Clearly this was more technical than Doomsday's feat but the idea that this was purely done due to a skill edge is idiotic. Do you not see the scan? He grabs Superman's arm and BREAKS it outright.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't it stated that no one on earth could fight doomsday except for superman? The no one on earth includes Black Adam, Diana and other high heralds.
1. That was in reference to his radiation poisoning ability. Only Superman could last even as long as 10 minutes with Doomsday in combat.
2. The idea that it referred to other heroes like Captain Atom, much less a villain like Black Adam, is pretty questionable. The regular guest stars in Superman books or even the Justice League members I can understand but if you want to take the statement so literally, you might as well include the Phantom Stranger.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSwamp Thing and Zauriel would also fall
1. That was in reference to his radiation poisoning ability. Only Superman could last even as long as 10 minutes with Doomsday in combat.2. The idea that it referred to other heroes like Captain Atom, much less a villain like Black Adam, is pretty questionable. The regular guest stars in Superman books or even the Justice League members I can understand but if you want to take the statement so literally, you might as well include the Phantom Stranger.
Constantine...
Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see the quote bro.
Here you go:
And I think it's consistent with not only with both Wein and Roger's stance on Thor's capability to survive in space and other extreme conditions and yet need to breath.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like?
Stern has also written Thor flying through extreme conditions and has noted how he needs to breath.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Comics are inconsistent, we get it.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259242.msg4341248#msg4341248
Talk about having double standards.....
Originally posted by WildBantha88
What about Thor having fought the Hulk? Hulk and Doomsday are comparable
Any fight between Thor and Hulk that lasts more than one panel is utter PIS given
1. Thor can just dimension dump the dude anytime he likes/ any other exotic stuff with his hammer
2.Thor can just throw him into space .....and thats that
3. Even ignoring 1 and 2 , Thor's reaction speed is so far above Bruce " I cant land a hit on street levellers jumping about for oh 5 decades now" Banner, its not even funny.
Besides, Thor's stronger anyway and while the difference in strength isn't too much, it does make a difference when you can land about a 100 hits before your opponent can respond
Similarly Thor vs Doomsday isnt really a battle....Its just a question of how quickly Thor decides to BFR him
