Thor vs Doomsday

Originally posted by The Gray Ghost
Any fight between Thor and Hulk that lasts more than one panel is utter PIS given
1. Thor can just dimension dump the dude anytime he likes/ any other exotic stuff with his hammer

2.Thor can just throw him into space .....and thats that

3. Even ignoring 1 and 2 , Thor's reaction speed is so far above Bruce " I cant land a hit on street levellers jumping about for oh 5 decades now" Banner, its not even funny.

Besides, Thor's stronger anyway and while the difference in strength isn't too much, it does make a difference when you can land about a 100 hits before your opponent can respond

Similarly Thor vs Doomsday isnt really a battle....Its just a question of how quickly Thor decides to BFR him

So every time Marvel comics make a book where the Hulk says that he is the strongest one there is, they are lying? I guess that you know better than the people that created both characters then. Thor has never had a rough time with a street level character? How does he pull all of these exotic moves when he has someone up in his grill whenever they fight? That would be like an episode of DBZ, where Goku says, hold up, let me make this spirit bomb, and you just sit there for a few hours and watch. Last question, what does any of this have to do with the topic?

Originally posted by -Pr-

Pick another version guys, or I will.

Ok. I pick Doomsday Wars Brainiac Doomsday. 😄

Originally posted by Stoic
So every time Marvel comics make a book where the Hulk says that he is the strongest one there is, they are lying?

Or seriously, character statements? Is that the standard of evidence you operate on? Hulk is a character with over 5 decades if FEATS to establish him as a decent class 100 brick / inferior to Thors own feats over the same period, but you are resorting to character statements ?
I guess Odin is omnipotent now

guess that you know better than the people that created both characters then

And for another characters rarely end up being what they were originally created as

Thor has never had a rough time with a street level character?

Also the character presentation wherein Hulk is the slow bumbling class 100 brick as opposed to Thor outright blitzing people on more than one occasion

How does he pull all of these exotic moves when he has someone up in his grill whenever they fight? That would be like an episode of DBZ, where Goku says, hold up, let me make this spirit bomb, and you just sit there for a few hours and watch.

Or hey just chuck him into space

Or pound on him faster than he can blink

Anything really.

Last question, what does any of this have to do with the topic?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Constantine...

Overkill.

Also, I pick DoS Doomsday. As no one else has bothered to pick, my choice is the winner.

Originally posted by Stoic
So every time Marvel comics make a book where the Hulk says that he is the strongest one there is, they are lying? I guess that you know better than the people that created both characters then. Thor has never had a rough time with a street level character? How does he pull all of these exotic moves when he has someone up in his grill whenever they fight? That would be like an episode of DBZ, where Goku says, hold up, let me make this spirit bomb, and you just sit there for a few hours and watch. Last question, what does any of this have to do with the topic?

Its clear the guy doesn't know what he is talking about. It is debatable if BFRing the Hulk would even work anymore.

This happened while he was weakened.

The guy was caught off guard and was dimensioned dumped and he ran back on pure speed alone back to the spot he was bfred from.

Also...lol at Hull reflexes. I can tell this guy have not picked up a Hulk comic in about 10 to 15 yrs (or at all).

Originally posted by The Gray Ghost
So you think Hulk is stronger than just as an example, Thanos?
Or to put it another way , Sentry has stalemated Galactus by your logic and hey thats actually a more quantifiable feat than Hulk saying hes the strongest there is

Or seriously, character statements? Is that the standard of evidence you operate on? Hulk is a character with over 5 decades if FEATS to establish him as a decent class 100 brick / inferior to Thors own feats over the same period, but you are resorting to character statements ?
I guess Odin is omnipotent now

[B]
For one thing Im pretty sure Thor has been portrayed as Hulks superior from Day 1 by Stan Lee himself

And for another characters rarely end up being what they were originally created as

[B]
Of course he has. Its just that the number of supersonic or beyond speed feats that he has racked up over the years more than disprove any contradictory showing as opposed to Hulk

Also the character presentation wherein Hulk is the slow bumbling class 100 brick as opposed to Thor outright blitzing people on more than one occasion

[B]
Given how Thors own reflexes casually dwarf Hulks, just like how supermans reflexes casually dwarf Thors, he could just dimension dump him easily

Or hey just chuck him into space

Or pound on him faster than he can blink

Anything really.

[B]
The poster before me compared Hulk to Doomsday
So I pointed out how Thor stomps Hulk. Pretty much the same for DD unless the nu52 DD has been racking up some near light reflex feats that I haven't heard of ( and it has got to be near light for him to blitz Thor and thus render him incapable of a Dimension dump a la Superman)

Show us these Thor speed fts that outclass Hulks.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ok. I pick Doomsday Wars Brainiac Doomsday. 😄

We have a winner.

That's the Doomsday in this thread now. Anyone who continues to be off-topic will be told to **** off.

Originally posted by carver9
Its clear the guy doesn't know what he is talking about. It is debatable if BFRing the Hulk would even work anymore.

The guy was caught off guard and was dimensioned dumped and he ran back on pure speed alone back to the spot he was bfred from.

Also...lol at Hull reflexes. I can tell this guy have not picked up a Hulk comic in about 10 to 15 yrs (or at all).

Thats a particularly unfortunate scan to choose for showing anything about theHulks sspeed when it involves Hulk getting shot on panel and his reaction being all of "Ahh that hurts but cant really dodge it so better swat away the attackers"
Thats just the kind of thing I am talkinh about. Thor , at the very least does stuff alike deflecting machine gun fire from multiple sources with his hammer, even without going to his higher end feats and how often he has shown speed over 50 years

And Hulk sprinting back from the negative zone....Wow just wow.
I think you need to take a step back and ask yourself whether you are approaching this debate objectively

and really if we are going to talk about the last 10-15 years , Hulks speed has been nerfed down if anything given previously hr used to do stuff like catch tank shells with his teeth( anamalous to his overall record vs bullets and all but hey, at least he used to do that once in a while)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, are you implying Thor isn't? And while Superman is more durable than Diana, the entire arc with Zod makes it clear that at the very least on average, his edge over her in raw durability is not that huge.

Do you not see the scan? He grabs Superman's arm and BREAKS it outright.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here you go:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259242.msg4341248#msg4341248

Talk about having double standards.....

I'm saying comics are inconsistent means powers fluctuate so wildly under a writer? Sometimes I wonder, is there nothing but air in between your ears?

Originally posted by -Pr-
We have a winner.

That's the Doomsday in this thread now. Anyone who continues to be off-topic will be told to **** off.

DD wars Doomsday? Thor gets ****ed in the ass with his own hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
Show us these Thor speed fts that outclass Hulks.

Just off the top of my head, Thof reacting in microseconds in Thor 144 and deflecting machine gun fire from multiple sources in Thor 246

Bwahaha, Thor supporters could've killed this argument off, but instead the constant bitching means a more powerful DD is being used.....

I can feel there's some kinda lesson to be learnt here....

Originally posted by The Gray Ghost
Thats a particularly unfortunate scan to choose for showing anything about theHulks sspeed when it involves Hulk getting shot on panel and his reaction being all of "Ahh that hurts but cant really dodge it so better swat away the attackers"
Thats just the kind of thing I am talkinh about. Thor , at the very least does stuff alike deflecting machine gun fire from multiple sources with his hammer, even without going to his higher end feats and how often he has shown speed over 50 years

And Hulk sprinting back from the negative zone....Wow just wow.
I think you need to take a step back and ask yourself whether you are approaching this debate objectively

and really if we are going to talk about the last 10-15 years , Hulks speed has been nerfed down if anything given previously hr used to do stuff like catch tank shells with his teeth( anamalous to his overall record vs bullets and all but hey, at least he used to do that once in a while)

LOL... like Ive stated before, you have not been keeping up with the Hulk.

Also, lol at you bringing up speed fts that's 30 plus years old. Do I honesty have to post all of Hulks speed fts?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot7_zps16e150cc.jpg.html?sort=9&o=115

How about this, either post some fts backing your claim or concede.

Hulk isn't even in this thread, so why would you bring him up. Stop derailing the thread.

Carver, you've lost, and lost badly. This Gray Ghost character has utterly humiliated you.

Thor can win with BFR.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, you've lost, and lost badly. This Gray Ghost character has utterly humiliated you.

Thor can win with BFR.

LOL - 👆

Guys, Hulk isn't in this thread. Stop.

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF? Superman was taking attacks from two kryptonians together and was just fine. Diana didn't take any damage from them because she wasn't hit anytime in the first fight. Where did they compare her durability to Superman?

Why?

Wonder Woman is an immortal demigoddess too. Yet she wasn't able to resist, neither was her sword which disintegrated in seconds. The point was clear, nobody else other than Superman could take those radiation more than ten minutes. And Thor is no superman.

Nope.

Because Thor is no Superman? Your dreams about Thor being as durable as Superman are just that, a dream. And why would I doubt the writer's words because your ass chafes reading the comic?

You said only rubbish.

When they said both of them were extremely hard to kill? Or when Diana withstood a similar beating to Superman in their second fight and then again when both were Sun Amped?

Because being able to rip in half this Doomsday does not in anyway suggest he can do so to Thor.

And Wonder Woman is not even remotely comparable to Thor, she's vulnerable even to regular radiation. She has not faced the exotic attacks that Thor has nor has she shown anywhere near his resistance or ability to soak up damage.

Nope? Under some writers he has proven immune to very exotic attacks based on radiation. Immune to Decay's touch:

Immune to the Presence's touch:

Thor's record isn't spotless but he's also resisted a variety of shit that makes radiation based attacks look like child play.

Because it was said only Superman can survive the radiation for 10 minutes or so, that means Thor cannot possible survive? How does that make any sense?

That is an idiotic argument that would only maybe work if Thor was on DC Earth. But he isn't, and based on his feats he is more than capable of enduring so.

Why would you doubt the writer's words? LMAO

You doubt the writers words ALL THE TIME. There are entire pages filled with you ignoring on panel statements or even narration and dismissing it as hyperbole.

The one time, this type of logic would actually make sense, it unfortunately conflicts with making Superman look good.

Or do you think the scientist chick was including obscure heroes like Captain Atom or Zauriel? Or how about villains like Black Adam? Hell, why not guys like Phantom Stranger or Spectre, maybe even the Presence, since they are both on Earth?

Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT? They matched in strength lock just a page before. There was no strength advantage for Zod there. With two hands and applying pressure on it. Striking and breaking two arms with a punch is FAR more impressive. Its not even worth talking to someone who can't understand what's so obvious.

I'm saying comics are inconsistent means powers fluctuate so wildly under a writer? Sometimes I wonder, is there nothing but air in between your ears?

They were peers in strength, which is exactly my point. You don't need to be Above Herald level, much less Trans, to break the bones of a herald level character. At least under this writer.

What? He squeezed Clark's arm and pulled with a single hand while the second arm was barely around Clark:

Please don't throw around words like applying pressure if you do not know what they mean.

You ignored complementary evidence from the same writer and brushed it off as saying comics are inconsistent. So yes, that is exactly what you meant.

HP DD 10/10
Nu DD 8/10 (if BFR is an option)
Gog Wars DD 10/10
DOS DD 5/10

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They were peers in strength, which is exactly my point. You don't need to be Above Herald level, much less Trans, to break the bones of a herald level character. At least under this writer.

What? He squeezed Clark's arm and pulled with a single hand while the second arm was barely around Clark:

Please don't throw around words like applying pressure if you do not know what they mean.

The funny thing is Zod was in no way in any position to break Superman's arm. Superman's arm was bent so it's hard to imagine he just pulled it and broke it. It doesn't look like he just jammed it in and broke it. And the bent angle and his gently holding Superman's arm doesn't look like he just bent it in a way to snap it. Did he bend it up or something and snap it, but then shoulders bend quite a ways so...

srug

Whatever he did, he was in no way in an advantageous position to do so.

Breaking bones with strikes isn't unheard of. What Zod did was just weird. Still impressive though.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL...
Also, lol at you bringing up speed fts that's 30 plus years old. Do I honesty have to post all of Hulks speed fts?

How about this, either post some fts backing your claim or concede.

Hulk isn't even in this thread, so why would you bring him up. Stop derailing the thread.

Seriously dude , you seem extremely biased about the Hulk.

Instead of posting scans of unknown speedsters moving at unknown speeds you could just have posted scans of Hulk hitting Quicksilver or Surfer or somebody.

And heck for that matter I can point out several occasions of Thor doing stuff like tagging surfer actually using his speed and it would still mean less than nothing

If we could categorise every person who has ever hit a speedster as a speedster , Captain Cold and Heatwave would be blitzing Zoom by now

There are any number of things you need to ignore to take Hulks speed showinhs seriously whether it be his presentation from day 1 as a dude whom every street leveller fights with the oh so original strategy of "Hmmm theres only one way to survive this.....dodge like crazy!" Or his almost complete lack of speed feats OUTISDE fights to justify any of his showings within fights

Heres the type of logic I go by
Wally West rescues half a million people after a nuke detonates. But Superman tags him anyway .Thats PIS

Superman himself does things like escape the pull of a black hole after accelerating from zero to lightspeed in a couple of panels, reacts in nanoseconds etc. But people lik Toyman with ZERO speed feats are presented as a threat to him . PIS

And finally Silver Surfer does things like scour the planet in the time strange finishes a sentence, fights Deathruge at explicitly FTL speeds etc vs Thor who has decent speedfeats to the extent of microseconds but is nowhere close to Surfer in terms of reaction speed. Thats again PIS

We come to Hulk . Or doomsday if you will.almost no quantifiable speed feats for either to come close to Thors own stuff.
Please note this is not one feat or even five for these guys. It is feats spread over decades , consistent with character presentation/ stuff outside fights

Id be happy to debate you on that matter but 1.this is not the thread for it 2. You need to set certain standards for said characters and not go "every feat counts, never mind they cobtradict decades of consistent showings!" Otherwise this is going to turn into "Hulk can thunderclap through dimensions! Thor can kill celestials that Skyfathers cant!"

And hey even if you ignore everything else whats to stop Thor from just flying waay out of reach and doing whatever the hell he pleases from range(Godblast after charging up in say the moon and returning to deliver the blow on earth) anything really

A moderator has asked us to stop discussing Hulk it seems

So anyway Thor flies up , up and away and does whatever he pleases at his leisure to Doomsday

Or he straight up beats the crap out of the dude with zero speed feats