Loki vs Superman

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A certain poster has noted that Superman survived a magical attack from a being capable of destroying planets.

What said poster has failed to note however is that the attack that hit Superman was said to be able to destroy a moon and it knocked him the f*ck out.

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I'm on my phone so I'll leave the scan posting to someone else. Similar scenes have been dismissed as hyperbole. Not to mention Loki has channeled his magic into a blast that was said to be able to devastate a planet, and that's a weaker showing.

So, baiting him AND lowballing the feat? Really? I mean, I expect that from others, but you're supposed to be above that kind of thing...

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki's speed of thought was stated to be faster than lightning, and beyond all reckoning. And that was him erecting an entire ice wall in the time it took Mjolnir to travel like a foot. Plus radio waves being light speed...

Though Superman blitzing at light speed was a question preboot, let alone now.

Loki has the speed to react to what Superman does. Whether that means he wins is up for debate, but just pretending he gets blitzed and auto loses is silly as pickles. Especially when the guy can turn intangible, shape shift, go mist form, teleport, or just fly really ****ing fast. And there's the part where he has outright taken Mjolnir thrown at him at lightspeed really well.

Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i?

Yep it is grasping at straws to suggest Loki has anywhere near that kind of speed, but we can all play these silly games. People go on about "what did superman do on panel?" Okay, so next time a preNu Superman fight happens, I can totally say he has infinite strength, right? After all, he lifted a book that had infinite weight. Yeah, Cap Marvel helped too, but half of infinite is still infinite. Good to know and since it happened ON PANEL then hey, it counts.

Also Spiderman can totally beat the shit out of Firelord, IT HAPPENED ON PANEL.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i?

Originally posted by Surtur
Yep it is grasping at straws to suggest Loki has anywhere near that kind of speed, but we can all play these silly games. People go on about "what did superman do on panel?" Okay, so next time a preNu Superman fight happens, I can totally say he has infinite strength, right? After all, he lifted a book that had infinite weight. Yeah, Cap Marvel helped too, but half of infinite is still infinite. Good to know and since it happened ON PANEL then hey, it counts.

Also Spiderman can totally beat the shit out of Firelord, IT HAPPENED ON PANEL.

Originally posted by JBL
That book was magical and the book of infinite pages,not infinite weight. Besides Ultraman lifted it alone.

Right, so, Spiderman beat Firelord, legit, right? After all, it happened on panel.

Loki is the kind of character that would have superman,hyperion,gladiator and the like tucked away in a corner cowering and not knowing their names.

First off, no..he can't do any of that unless Superman forgets his speed. Second, nah, Supes wouldn't be cowering in a corner simply via a punk like Loki. The guy has come across way way greater threats and not cowered.

Like floating teeth? Oh wait...

Loki wins 6/10 imho

Originally posted by JBL
That book was magical and the book of infinite pages,not infinite weight. Besides Ultraman lifted it alone. Loki is the kind of character that would have superman,hyperion,gladiator and the like tucked away in a corner cowering and not knowing their names.

We had a mod ruling on that feat a while ago. It happened, it was infinite weight, but it has no real bearing on debates, so doesn't need to be brought up. At all.

Not to restart that $hit storm but how can it have infinite weight, 1/2 of infinite is infinite so it physically can't weigh infinite. Not to argue its a light weight but much like Herc's sky feat its approaching infinite but not true infinite.

If that makes sence

Originally posted by -Pr-
We had a mod ruling on that feat a while ago. It happened, it was infinite weight, but it has no real bearing on debates, so doesn't need to be brought up. At all.

Why no bearing on debates? It happened, and there are scans on it. By the way people argue here..that is all you need.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Not to restart that $hit storm but how can it have infinite weight, 1/2 of infinite is infinite so it physically can't weigh infinite. Not to argue its a light weight but much like Herc's sky feat its approaching infinite but not true infinite.

If that makes sence

It's infinite, but as to how..? Well, how does Superman fly? How does a gorilla have telepathy? Those are no more silly then the infinite weight non sense. If you have a problem with that, you should have a problem with 99% of DC characters.

I do 🥷

Originally posted by Surtur
Why no bearing on debates? It happened, and there are scans on it. By the way people argue here..that is all you need.

It's infinite, but as to how..? Well, how does Superman fly? How does a gorilla have telepathy? Those are no more silly then the infinite weight non sense. If you have a problem with that, you should have a problem with 99% of DC characters.

Because arguing that a character has infinite strength makes debates redundant.

"I think Hulk could beat Superman" could just be countered with "Infinite book, bitches!".

We don't want that. And it's not his average either, so that helps.

So, basically Loki showing a handful of speed feats only when he needs to is comparable to Spider-Man vs Firelord?

Where do these guys keep coming from?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i?

He's done it more often than Wally and Barry have IMP'd 😈

IEdit : meh, forget it

Originally posted by Inhuman
IEdit : meh, forget it

Originally posted by JBL
You sir win the grand prize!!! That's the whole context of lifting that book.

Lel. I didn't even want to bother.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman rips Loki in half. Rage cries himself to sleep.

And DCnU Superman has hit intangible beings before, tracked teleportation across solar system etc. HV that could incinerate Doomsday would **** Loki up. Oh and he has taken magical attacks from characters and weapons which can destroy dozen or hundred of planets. Loki is screwed here.

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In Action Comics #29 Superman in the process of getting his ass kicked again by a Ghost Soldier, manages to freeze him when the soldier goes for his heart:

Basically, he turned tangible to attack and Superman managed to freeze them. Since I know some people are unable to read, here's the next issue, Action Comics #30 where he confirms he freezes them when they go tangible:

In this same issue, later on, he faces even more powerful ghosts who he can't do anything to at all and is getting beat up by:

If there's one thing this arc proves, it's that mystical beings that can turn intangible can give Superman serious trouble.

Again, Action Comics #29 and #30. I don't want to have to discuss this again.

Now, if this isn't the scene to which you are referring to, then I apologize, but if it is, then, well......

Originally posted by abhilegend
Able to destroy the moon? Where? And its impressiveness is from the fact that it was stated to be able to kill superman level characters in one hit and Superman took two blasts not even knowing it was magical attack.

And lulz @ this lowballing attempt. The planets were shown to be destroyed in both attempts. Superman survived an attack that oneshot killed a 5-D imp and destroyed 230 planets instantly. That's low too, I guess.

You're referring to Action Comics #23? Here's the scan of the scene so you don't think I'm lowballing or something:

Although I'd like to clarify that it was only one blast, and while Straith may arguably be herald level, the rest did nothing to justify being called "Iron Man level", much less "Superman level" unless I missed some feats:

Where did Lexus destroy a planet twice?

Which attack?

Superman can and will use his speed, but Loki can and will use his misdirection. So Superman's first attack will reveal his speed and strength to Loki, while Superman will probably figure out Loki is a magic user. Loki doesn't care about innocents, so he can make Supes use all his energy flying around and saving people while being attacked. It being Superman, he will eventually beat Loki, since Thor usually does, but by no means will it be an easy battle over in a few seconds.