Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, basically Loki showing a handful of speed feats only when he needs to is comparable to Spider-Man vs Firelord?Where do these guys keep coming from?
Why yes, yes it is. The Spiderman thing is bogus because he was never consistently that powerful. Likewise, Loki never consistently had godlike reflexes.
Why is this concept so hard to get?
Originally posted by -Pr- We don't want that. And it's not his average either, so that helps. [/B]
So why the heck is there even a friggin discussion going on about Loki and his reflexes? Those ARE NOT his average either. Supermans feat is thrown out because it is not his average, but Loki shows 2 feats in 5 decades and it totally counts? How does that work? Superman, post crisis, the one who did the feat..wasn't around for 50 years. If Loki, being around 50 years, only requires like 2 feats..then it would make sense for someone around at least 2-3 decades less would only need 1.
I'm not saying you specifically are arguing that, but it just doesn't make much sense to me.
Though I will say, if you are throwing out feats because they make fights redundant then you probably want to take away the speed steal from Wally West, because in 99% of fights it makes everyone else redundant.
Originally posted by SurturBut Loki is consistently shown to be fast, or have Godlike reflexes. So much so in fact that the speed of his thought manifested itself into its own identity that had a race with Loki. That Loki can grab a speeding Silver Surfer out of the air, that Loki can race around the world with Silver Surfer, etc.
Why yes, yes it is. The Spiderman thing is bogus because he was never consistently that powerful. Likewise, Loki never consistently had godlike reflexes.Why is this concept so hard to get?
Loki even displaying speed as few times as you think is not compared to Spider-Man kicking the shit out of a herald level being even without factoring in context. One is simply being fast going by a few appearances. One is beating the butts out of a herald level being taken in a vacuum and applying it to every thread. If you don't see the difference between using a few feats to say he can react to someone and using one feat to say Spider-Man is herald level then I don't know what to tell you.
Not to mention you're using zero consistency to say Superman can throw 1000 punches in the blink of an eye in another thread. Yet you have issues with Loki who isn't even a main character mind you having spread out speed feats. Speed feats that are very much there, but are again used when he needs them.
There's also the part where Superman probably has a comparable number of battles to Loki already, so...
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Like floating teeth? Oh wait...Loki wins 6/10 imho
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In Action Comics #29 Superman in the process of getting his ass kicked again by a Ghost Soldier, manages to freeze him when the soldier goes for his heart:Basically, he turned tangible to attack and Superman managed to freeze them. Since I know some people are unable to read, here's the next issue, Action Comics #30 where he confirms he freezes them when they go tangible:
In this same issue, later on, he faces even more powerful ghosts who he can't do anything to at all and is getting beat up by:
If there's one thing this arc proves, it's that mystical beings that can turn intangible can give Superman serious trouble.
Again, Action Comics #29 and #30. I don't want to have to discuss this again.
Now, if this isn't the scene to which you are referring to, then I apologize, but if it is, then, well......
http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg
And the next scan after you posted had Superman freezing the intangible Ghost Soldier solid.
And his HV actually pushed Ghost Soldier back despite he was phasing.
But hey, Loki fights being intangible all the time and has never gone into melee just like Superman speedblitzes every time. In fact I can find more speedblitzes from Superman than Loki has gone intangible. Not to mention the Ghosts burned Superman and then he got up and kicked their asses thoroughly. And of course you wouldn't discuss it any further, you're total shit at this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're referring to Action Comics #23? Here's the scan of the scene so you don't think I'm lowballing or something:Although I'd like to clarify that it was only one blast, and while Straith may arguably be herald level, the rest did nothing to justify being called "Iron Man level", much less "Superman level" unless I missed some feats:
Where did Lexus destroy a planet twice?
Which attack?
And I don't know how you could've lost this page.
Destroying a dozen planet throughout years. He was stated to be a universal threat in the very same issue BTW.
You still haven't seen the multitude destroying 230 planets?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Loki has far worse showings than that. In fact being outsmarted by ****ing Jarvis is lulzworthy.You're such a shit lowballer, I can't even believe it. In the very same issue, AC 29 Superman froze the intangible Ghost Soldier very easily.
http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg
And the next scan after you posted had Superman freezing the intangible Ghost Soldier solid.
And his HV actually pushed Ghost Soldier back despite he was phasing.
I never disputed that Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid.
What I'm disputing is that you said he froze an intangible being when it specifically said that he waited until Ghost Solider went for his heart again (Turning partially solid at least) and he confirmed in the next issue that he can freeze them when they turn TANGIBLE.
So again, yes Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid. He froze multiple Ghost Soldier's solid. That's great, that's amazing, fantastic. Just don't say he froze an intangible being as that implies he froze a being that was actually intangible at the time when that is clearly not the case in this issue.
I actually missed Superman pushing back Ghost Soldier with his heat vision, which I guess is kind of useful, maybe but it didn't do any harm and we already know he has no affect on more powerful ghosts.
Anyways, this is my last post on this particular matter. The scans are there for everybody.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But hey, Loki fights being intangible [b]all the time and has never gone into melee just like Superman speedblitzes every time. In fact I can find more speedblitzes from Superman than Loki has gone intangible. Not to mention the Ghosts burned Superman and then he got up and kicked their asses thoroughly. And of course you wouldn't discuss it any further, you're total shit at this.
I already posted the scans, thank you. And where was that a moon destroying blast?[/B]
This is just a childish rant. I never said anything about Superman vs. Loki or how the two fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And I don't know how you could've lost this page.Destroying a dozen planet throughout years. He was stated to be a universal threat in the very same issue BTW.
You still haven't seen the multitude destroying 230 planets?
So is that what you're referring to when you said he destroyed planets?
I thought I might have missed something so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt as I don't read everything about Superman.
Just to be clear, Lexus destroyed planets:
1) Before his death as a wizard or whatever.
2) Completely off panel.
3) According to a characters statement.
4) For an undisclosed period of time.
And after as this gigantic entity, it fed on planets (You implied it was going around blasting them into pieces or something).
Those are some pretty lax standards for someone who has dismissed way more concrete feats as hyperbole even as we SEE them happening.
Well, whatever, the scans are there now so it's fine and up to everybody to decide so I'm done with this particular topic.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well yeah I do. I'm not sure why you are even comparing the two. Loki has been around for FIVE DECADES. How can you compare that to a character only around 3 years?I'm sorry, but people are just applying things to Loki that aren't true. Superman hasn't shown it that much, but like I said..only been around 3 years. Loki has been around 5 decades, in that entire time he was never consistently portrayed as being anywhere near strong enough to take blasts from Surtur..nor was he, overall, portrayed as someone with "godlike" reflexes.
How can I compare the two? 😐
I honestly don't know whether you are being sarcastic or actually unable to see the horrible flaws in your reasoning?
First of all, Loki is a villain, and Superman in the last 3 years probably already rivals Loki in the total number of fights they've been or issues where they've actually done something.
Second, consistency has nothing to do with TIME. It's how consistent they are relative to their own averages.
Which makes Superman bench pressing a planet, a feat that is actually somewhat contradictory, incredibly inconsistent.
You're arguing that Superman can rip Loki apart because he can bench press a planet and speed blitz with a thousand punches a second. How is that in anyway an argument based on consistency?
That is a logic based purely on using a high end Superman that contradicts like 96%.
LOL, Loki taking on high end beings like Surtur or displaying his amazing reflexes relative to their own appearances/fights is more likely than DCnU Superman bench pressing a planet and speed blitzing at light speed or whatever.
Literally a few posts back you ignore the fact that Superman's strength being "mountain shattering" has been far more consistent than bench pressing a planet.
Originally posted by Surtur
So did he ever actually devastate a planet then? Which comic does he devastate an entire planet? Do you have scans of that too?
So you think Loki might have been lying? Perhaps exaggerating? Well, do you have scans of Superman actually bench pressing a planet? After all, that scientist with a clip board might have been lying to.
Here's a much better feat of Loki pooling his magic with Karnilla and actually knocking Infinity back:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou weren't? Could've fooled me.
I never disputed that Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid.
What I'm disputing is that you said he froze an intangible being when it specifically said that he waited until Ghost Solider went for his heart again (Turning partially solid at least) and he confirmed in the next issue that he can freeze them when they turn TANGIBLE.He was intangible when Superman freezed him the first time.
He is explicitly phasing to HV and Superman froze him at the very same moment.
So again, yes Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid. He froze multiple Ghost Soldier's solid. That's great, that's amazing, fantastic. Just don't say he froze an intangible being as that implies he froze a being that was actually intangible at the time when that is clearly not the case in this issue.
facepalm
You can't be this dense.
I actually missed Superman pushing back Ghost Soldier with his heat vision, which I guess is kind of useful, maybe but it didn't do any harm and we already know he has no affect on more powerful ghosts.WTF? He didn't affect Ghost Soldier well, because he is a GHOST.
Anyways, this is my last post on this particular matter. The scans are there for everybody.And you distorted them like everytime. Even Pr called on your BS.
This is just a childish rant.Bwahaha. What a supremely ironic post.
I never said anything about Superman vs. Loki or how the two fight.Yes, you are.
So is that what you're referring to when you said he destroyed planets?At starting level of his powers where a single member of Pax Galactica killed him. He became more powerful than ever and killed entire Pax Galactica. But I like how you completely ignore the on panel statements when you don't like them.I thought I might have missed something so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt as I don't read everything about Superman.
Just to be clear, Lexus destroyed planets:
1) Before his death as a wizard or whatever.
2) Completely off panel.
3) According to a characters statement.
4) For an undisclosed period of time.
And after as this gigantic entity, it fed on planets (You implied it was going around blasting them into pieces or something).What? That was after it became Lexus. Before that it was explicitly stated that he destroyed planets.
Those are some pretty lax standards for someone who has dismissed way more concrete feats as hyperbole even as we SEE them happening.Like what feats?
Well, whatever, the scans are there now so it's fine and up to everybody to decide so I'm done with this particular topic.Oh shut up already you crybaby.
"Wah, wah, my totally BS claims got ripped to shred. I'm not going to respond untill I respond again."
Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.
Originally posted by JBL
Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.
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Originally posted by JBL
Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.
His freeze breath was shown to be completely useless against more powerful ghosts and those things are hardly comparable to Loki's mystical power.
Not that they are relevant. Being able to freeze the Ghost Soldiers because they are still made up of particles has nothing to do with Loki who can become completely ethereal.
So basically, Superman can't hit Loki with a blitz if he goes intangible, and could only possibly hit him with freeze breath... Possibly. Along with his reflexes and the like, not too sure how Superman could blitz Loki.
I don't know what everyone else is talking about but all I said was Superman isn't blitzing Loki. Not offensive tactics for Loki to take
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬Even Superman's partial freezing tactic did not work on the more powerful ghosts:
Or did I miss an encounter?
Also I like how based on a very few reaction speed from Loki where he diverted radio waves or whatever, Superman isn't able to blitz Loki.
😂
If Loki's isn't a "ghost" then why did you reference them to justify harming Loki while intangible?
😂
Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
Heat vision barely damaged Ghost soldier. Why would it do anything to Loki? Are you comparing the two?
Loki's ethereal from has not only traversed entire galaxies instantly but dimensional distances as well. Not to mention the soldier still has particles and such even while intangible.
On a good day, he's been undetectable to the greatest of senses.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBecause intangibility isn't like strength. You can't be more intangible than a fully phased being.
If Loki's isn't a "ghost" then why did you reference them to justify harming Loki while intangible?
😂Like you do in every thread?Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
Heat vision barely damaged Ghost soldier. Why would it do anything to Loki? Are you comparing the two?Ghost soldier was easily slugging it out with Superman. And a HV blast which burned Doomsday to crisp would **** Loki's shit up. Thor has beaten an amped Loki (although the amp was fading) in 58 seconds FFS.
Loki's ethereal from has not only traversed entire galaxies instantly but dimensional distances as well.So he would run away now? Good for him I guess.
Not to mention the soldier still has particles and such even while intangible.So? It was stated that everything has particles and he was a ghost. You don't get more intangible than that.
On a good day, he's been undetectable to the greatest of senses.On a good day, Superman might knock him out before Loki can even think what's going on.
Originally posted by abhilegendYOUR OWN WORDS...
I forgot this is CBR Loki. Good job reminding me.👆
LMAO!! So superman gets to fight the way you want him to fight ( forum fighting ) but to save superman, loki does not..lmao!!! 😆
Here bill thinks loki is in front of him.... What a surprise he got.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsThorCorps02.jpg
