Why Man of Steel Superman Does not Top Reeve’s version

Man of Steel had tremendous hype. The most hype I've had for a film since TDKR. It lived up to the hype in every way and in some ways surprised me.

Originally posted by zeel I consider myself open minded friend but there are just to many people that disagree with you.

There is a reason MOS made 650 millon vs avengers 1.5 billion. But we both have our own opinions on the subject. [/B]

So I'm supposed to bow down simply because I'm in the minority? Yea, no thanks. I've debated MOS with dozens of people in real life and online and the majority of critique I've accumulated from them about the film, to me, is honestly trivial(to be civil).

As Lestov said above, box office sucess is cool but I try not to get hung up on it. Justin Bieber has more YouTube views than pretty much every music artist there is but.....

In my opinion, Watchmen: The Director's Cut is the best film this genre has to offer and it barely made 100 million domestic if I'm not mistaken. The film is probably the only comic-book film that is even more polarizing than Man of Steel with many people to this day still bashing it.

Everyone here needs to watch the Bum Review for Man of Steel.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Everyone here needs to watch the Bum Review for Man of Steel.

I did, it was a review by bum 😆

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Reeves is a legend, no one can replace him. I been through 100 times why they didn't use Tom Welling to be the new Superman. Kinda sad to be honest as they both shared the screen together in Smallville for a season or two. One of the most successful super hero shows of all time and Tom got too be around the legend. What a perfect way to lead into a movie for him and the franshise.

The directors have different view points. One had to start the whole thing from scratch the other has had huge block busters under his belt and 5 superman movies and 10 years of shows to learn from before casting and producing

On the story side of it one father wanted him to hide who he was because he was convinced the world would reject him. The other one encouraged him to push himself.

From Jonathan's stand point I get it, he wanted to protect his son even if that meant sacrificing himself or others to keep that secret. Wrong approach but he was doing the best he could with a super powered son and a alien ship in his barn.

We see Clark getting kicked around his whole life by kids at school, people at bars, and the places he worked. But he knew when to act. Oil rig was the first time it seems since the bus he had to man up and reveal himself.

His attitude was best wrapped up into "You won't control me, you never will but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies; it has to be on my terms." The general gets dicy with him. And he says he grew up in Smallville he's about American as it gets. Then blasts off, I felt that was a good way to end it.

I understand what the director was trying to relay in MOS. It just did not come through well. I explain my feelings on this in previous threads. For me the delivery was not done well. I thought the first part of the movie started off really well with what happen on Krypton but after it went flat.

As for Reeve his version may be replace one day but not from Cavill version in MOS.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And yeah Kotor, considering there are clearly people who think different, your analysis is not unanimous and thus not objective fact. Just because you prefer Reeve Superman doesn't mean everyone does or should.

@ Lestov16 and Pr

Let me try to make the point of this thread clear. It is my understanding that most people the majority view Reeve’s version of Superman as the best display of Superman on film. With that in mind I made a thread asking for thoughts as to why Cavill version did not overtake or at least get on par with Reeve’s version?

If you are stating that gap of opinion between Cavill version and Reeve version is as close as the debate between Keaton and Bale versions of Batman then I would have to disagree with you since I have not seen anything close to suggesting that on any site I have seen debates on concerning this topic.

So from my perspective it is a fact. If you want to call it an opinion feel free to do so.

The only thing that I liked about MOS was how it fleshed out General Zod's motivations. I enjoyed Michael Shannon more than I thought I would, even though he still didn't eclipse Terrence Stamp. I also thought the idea that Krypton was a society that had accomplished absolutely everything that it was capable of doing was intriguing.

Everything else? Horrible. I'll stick with the Reeves version, thank you. I and II are classics.

Originally posted by Kotor3
@ Lestov16 and Pr

Let me try to make the point of this thread clear. It is my understanding that most people the majority view Reeve’s version of Superman as the best display of Superman on film. With that in mind I made a thread asking for thoughts as to why Cavill version did not overtake or at least get on par with Reeve’s version?

If you are stating that gap of opinion between Cavill version and Reeve version is as close as the debate between Keaton and Bale versions of Batman then I would have to disagree with you since I have not seen anything close to suggesting that on any site I have seen debates on concerning this topic.

So from my perspective it is a fact. If you want to call it an opinion feel free to do so.

Why does Cavill have to be better though? He can't just be a good Superman? I'm not sure I follow.

I liked Dean Cain as Superman, but he was nowhere close to Reeve level.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Everyone here needs to watch the Bum Review for Man of Steel.

I love Nostalgia Critic most of the time, but I did not agree with his views on MOS or Godzilla. Didn't like Cinema Snob's MOS review either, because it was biased and overexaggerated as hell. I did like Angry Joe's review of MOS (although I disagreed with him about Godzilla). I guess it's just opinion. Hint, hint, kotor.

Who the hell is Kotor?

The nickname for my ballsack

Originally posted by Lestov16
The nickname for my ballsack

Q: What did Cinderella say when she got to the ball?

A: *gag*

Reeves acting performance was not as great as people claim. A lot of times it seemed he was just reciting his characters lines, not inhabiting his character.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's not gonna happen. Neither company is that stupid. Same year? Maybe. Same weekend? Hell no.

I've never seen 2 major movies released on the same weekend.
For example Godzilla was released here in Australia on June 15th followed by the XMen on the 22nd.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I've never seen 2 major movies released on the same weekend.
For example Godzilla was released here in Australia on June 15th followed by the XMen on the 22nd.

Australia for the win.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Reeves acting performance was not as great as people claim. A lot of times it seemed he was just reciting his characters lines, not inhabiting his character.

You've also got to take into account that most superhero movie back then didn't have comic book writers as consultants for the film.
Superhero movies back then were considered a risk & not the multi-million dollar market that it has become now.

There wouldn't have been much comic book references for Reeves to have read to get into character.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Reeves acting performance was not as great as people claim. A lot of times it seemed he was just reciting his characters lines, not inhabiting his character.

Even if that were true, Hes still the best live action superman weve ever had imo. Or do you think someone did it better?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even if that were true, Hes still the best live action superman weve ever had imo. Or do you think someone did it better?

Cavill did a great job as supes. If only the script was better

Originally posted by Firefly218
Cavill did a great job as supes. If only the script was better

Cavill did a great job as portraying an "alien" trying to fit in with humanity...if anything, not quite understanding the perpetual violence we humans have for eachother.
But on the same note, I never quite sensed from MOS that he quite understood the frailty of humanity altogether....blah blah blah death of his father...collateral damage.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Cavill did a great job as portraying an "alien" trying to fit in with humanity...if anything, not quite understanding the perpetual violence we humans have for eachother.
But on the same note, I never quite sensed from MOS that he quite understood the frailty of humanity altogether....blah blah blah death of his father...collateral damage.

Pretty sure he knew his father was willing to die to protect his secret. As far as collateral damage, I'm guessing he was supposed to try and talk reason to Zod and take him out of the city after Zod started attacking him..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I'm guessing he was supposed to try and talk reason to Zod and take him out of the city after Zod started attacking him..

Or a super-punch AWAY from buildings instead of through them?

I mean that would've been more dramatic, Supes fighting to save the city & staving off Zod's approach to where the populace was.
It could've been portrayed as Supes being the "final bastion" to the fall of Metropolis.