Manhattan vs Reeve’s Superman vs Thor vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Lestov16
Also, if there HAD to be a winner, Manhattan's weaknesses are far more minuscule than Surfer's, so by default Manhattan has the advantage.

That doesn't mean that Manhattan gets the advantage by default, simply by virtue of having a less pronounced version of the Silver Surfer's weakness.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not really. You're looking at their low sides while ignoring the higher ones. Surfers' weakness(which is the same as Manhattan's) maybe greater, but the other thing of his that is greater than Manhattan's are his screen feats.

That doesn't mean that Manhattan gets the advantage by default, simply by virtue of having a less pronounced version of the Silver Surfer's weakness.

Manhattan didn't have a weakness. Having his pre cognition blocked as he stated matter little to him as it made him feel excitement for the first time in a long time. He actually enjoyed it.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When the going gets tough, dadudemon gets butthurtin'. 😂

Thanks for the comic relief though. I plan on profiling your stupid "Manhattan's is magical ding-dong!" claim for future laughs.👆

I've already profiled some of the idiotic things you've posted so have at it! 🙂

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Manhattan didn't have a weakness. Having his pre cognition blocked as he stated matter little to him as it made him feel excitement for the first time in a long time. He actually enjoyed it.

This will be a standstill between Manhattan and Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
This will be a standstill between Manhattan and Silver Surfer.

Not really, Surfer has major weaknesses that can be exploited. Manhatten has none.

How is Manhattan going to exploit SS's weakness? SS came from the universe,where Manhattan came from an accidental lab expiriment. Question is can Manhattan manipulate the power cosmic? Plus Norrin has a Soul and a Will while Manhattan is loosing grip with Humanity.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not really, Surfer has major weaknesses that can be exploited. Manhatten has none.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
How is Manhattan going to exploit SS's weakness? SS came from the universe,where Manhattan came from an accidental lab expiriment. Question is can Manhattan manipulate the power cosmic? Plus Norrin has a Soul and a Will while Manhattan is loosing grip with Humanity.

You do realize what that "accidental lab experiment" did right? Doc has way more of a claim on being one with the universe than Surfer does.

Can Surfer manipulate the intrinsic quantum field?

Not sure what having a soul or will contributes, although given Doc's actions at the end, it's clear he does possess both.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not really. You're looking at their low sides while ignoring the higher ones. Surfers' weakness(which is the same as Manhattan's) maybe greater, but the other thing of his that is greater than Manhattan's are his screen feats.

That doesn't mean that Manhattan gets the advantage by default, simply by virtue of having a less pronounced version of the Silver Surfer's weakness.

Surfer's weakness, while being the same substance as Manhattan's, has a far more devastating effect on Surfer than it does on Doc. Also, Surfer got KOed after too much energy output. Manhattan CAN'T be KOed and would laugh at Surfer's weakness. What is Surfer going to do to Doc? I've already covered how board absorption won't mean shit, and any energy blasts will do nothing to Doc. I personally think this will be a stalemate, but Doc definitely has more of a claim on the title of thread victor.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not really. You're looking at their low sides while ignoring the higher ones. Surfers' weakness(which is the same as Manhattan's) maybe greater, but the other thing of his that is greater than Manhattan's are his screen feats.

That doesn't mean that Manhattan gets the advantage by default, simply by virtue of having a less pronounced version of the Silver Surfer's weakness.

I could see how that might be a hard argument because i remember seeing Manhattan turning someone into dust and in another move i watched Surfer fly into a bunch of space dust and make it more dusty

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
How is Manhattan going to exploit SS's weakness? SS came from the universe,where Manhattan came from an accidental lab expiriment. Question is can Manhattan manipulate the power cosmic? Plus Norrin has a Soul and a Will while Manhattan is loosing grip with Humanity.

SS came from the universe? Yes so did every other living soul in it.

Lets see Galactus gave SS his power, DM created his own power.

Manhattan happens to basically be one with the universe and able to control and manipulate matter on a small of massive scale and has his consciousness has become one with the quantum field, able to use its power, control it, bend matter, change matter, manipulate it, control it, pretty much do whatever he wants with it. If it exists in the universe, Manhattan can control it, SS was influenced by far less then what DM could do to him. He would simple want him gone and he would be gone.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Surfer's weakness, while being the same substance as Manhattan's, has a far more devastating effect on Surfer than it does on Doc. Also, Surfer got KOed after too much energy output. Manhattan CAN'T be KOed and would laugh at Surfer's weakness.

Manhattan doesn't know about the Surfer's weakness either to laugh about it.

Originally posted by Lestov16

What is Surfer going to do to Doc? I've already covered how board absorption won't mean shit, and any energy blasts will do nothing to Doc. I personally think this will be a stalemate, but Doc definitely has more of a claim on the title of thread victor.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Can Surfer manipulate the intrinsic quantum field?

Add his superior matter manip feats to that, and he clearly outclasses Manhattan in that department.

Manhattan's avatar is made up of matter and energy, not Doc himself. And Surfer is made of matter and energy as well. Why won't he be susceptible to Doc?

Nope. Manhattan actually has the far more versatile powerset, since he can teleport amongst other things and not have to worry about getting owned like a bytch when encountering tachyons. Also given what we've seen of Manhattan, there's no reason he couldn't create the same craters as Surfer did, unless we're now doing the trollish "He Must Have Performed That EXACT Feat" nonsense. And again, how is Surfer going to use matter manipulation on a non-corporeal entity like Doc? I can argue Manhattan can manipulate Surfer, since he is made of matter and energy. The vice versa does not apply, since only Doc's avatar is physical.

Please explain how Surfer is taking down Doc

Originally posted by Lestov16
Manhattan's avatar is made up of matter and energy, not Doc himself. And Surfer is made of matter and energy as well. Why won't he be susceptible to Doc?

Nope. Manhattan actually has the far more versatile powerset, since he can teleport amongst other things and not have to worry about getting owned like a bytch when encountering tachyons.

Also given what we've seen of Manhattan, there's no reason he couldn't create the same craters as Surfer did, unless we're now doing the trollish "He Must Have Performed That EXACT Feat" nonsense.

And again, how is Surfer going to use matter manipulation on a non-corporeal entity like Doc? I can argue Manhattan can manipulate Surfer, since he is made of matter and energy. The vice versa does not apply, since only Doc's avatar is physical.

Please explain how Surfer is taking down Doc

Manhattan isn't more versatile than the Surfer. 😬 Especially not because he has teleportation capabilities, which mean shitall when comparing beings with that scale of power.

Except for the fact that he didn't. He couldn't even have stopped thousands of nukes from going off across the continents. If we are to actually go the ddm route and use rl math to calc the power the Surfer had to generate to drill holes that large, without causing the tectonic plates to shift, then take a look at the estimated energy output of the Fukushima earthquake. It was measured to be in excess of 9000 gigatons, which is more than million times more powerful than the entire nuclear arsenal of every nuclear-armed country in the world combined. The Surfer's feat is easily on that scale, if not greater still.

Because he is made up of matter. How is Manhattan going to offset Surfer's superior control over his body? Again with this avatar bullshit. Either bring proof from the movie where he claims that his body is only an avatar, or cease and desist with made-up shit.

Already did, ten pages ago.

Originally posted by Epicurus
So Manhattan has an Avatar now. If I thought that you would take a cue from my previous reply and try to avoid making shit up about DM, then I was clearly wrong in assuming so.

Manhattan isn't more versatile than the Surfer. 😬 Especially not because he has teleportation capabilities, which mean shitall when comparing beings with that scale of power.

Except for the fact that he didn't. He couldn't even have stopped thousands of nukes from going off across the continents. If we are to actually go the ddm route and use rl math to calc the power the Surfer had to generate to drill holes that large, without causing the tectonic plates to shift, then take a look at the estimated energy output of the Fukushima earthquake. It was measured to be in excess of 9000 gigatons, which is more than million times more powerful than the entire nuclear arsenal of every nuclear-armed country in the world combined. The Surfer's feat is easily on that scale, if not greater still.

Because he is made up of matter. How is Manhattan going to offset Surfer's superior control over his body? Again with this avatar bullshit. Either bring proof from the movie where he claims that his body is only an avatar, or cease and desist with made-up shit.

Already did, ten pages ago.

Yeah, it's an avatar. confirmed by screenfeats.

Yeah Doc is definitely more versatile. All Surfer did was make huge craters, warp the FF's powers, fix Doom, and blow up Galactus.

That was a hypothetical statement by Nite Owl. It's not like he did the measurements and determined that was Doc's power limit. Also, Rorschach at one point blamed Doc for the world's problems, saying he could have easily fixed them if he cared.

Superior control of his body? He got owned like a bytch when he encountered tachyons. Doc laughed them off. and yeah it's an avatar. It's common sense. His mind merged with the intrinsic field. He thus transcended physical existence.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, it's an avatar. confirmed by screenfeats.

Yeah Doc is definitely more versatile. All Surfer did was make huge craters, warp the FF's powers, fix Doom, and blow up Galactus.

That was a hypothetical statement by Nite Owl. It's not like he did the measurements and determined that was Doc's power limit. Also, Rorschach at one point blamed Doc for the world's problems, saying he could have easily fixed them if he cared.

Superior control of his body? He got owned like a bytch when he encountered tachyons. Doc laughed them off. and yeah it's an avatar. It's common sense. His mind merged with the intrinsic field. He thus transcended physical existence.

No he's not. Warping the FF's powers is a far greater feat than anything Manhattan ever performed. Shit, just those four instances you cite alone give Surfer the edge in actual portrayed versatility onscreen, not the theoretics you're dancing around.

Not Nite-Owl, that was Ozy. And from his tone he was being generous, giving Manhattan the overestimated 99% number. Rorschach's statement is ambiguous and is open to interpretation.

Yes, superior. He can phase, meld with the board, has control of matter and energy, and has better transmutation feats than Manhattan. His weakness functions differently from Manhattan's. Tachyons sever Manhattan's ability to perceive the future, while they severe the Silver Surfer's connection to his board. One is not the same as the other, and why you continue to bring it up even though it has been conclusively showed that Manhattan has neither the knowledge of his weakness nor the demonstrated ability to exploit said weakness for the tachyon discussion to be even remotely relevant in this scenario.

Well Manhattan cannot die, surfer shown no ability to absorb intangible beings. He can be hurt by himself and others as shown. This really is simple. DM powers are on another level.

I keep hearing that Manhattan cannot die. Is there anyone in the Watchman universe that is even remotely as powerful as the ones in Surfer, Thor, or Superman's universe?

We all know what can happen to the other opponents since they have face other power beings. There is really no way to accurately measure Dr. Manhattan since he was written that way. However saying he cannot die is clearly speculation. Not being aware of a way in which he can die is a more accurate statement.

That is an accurate statement. Another would be that Surfer has shown no effective method of putting him down.