Spider-man Vs Hawkman

Originally posted by carver9
Based off fts...Spiderman win this handily. Hell, based off powerset Spiderman should win a healthy majority. Hawkman is good but Spiderman is better, especially a serious Spiderman.

Bwahaha

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Is that flight speed? While impressive I was thinking more reflex speed.

Edit, Spidey has beaten speedsters too

Yes and fighting speed. Well he hits machine gun fire away with his mace that good enough?

Not on Hawkman's level he beat.

Get 'em, Mungi!!!

Not an super impressive speed feat, but shows him using his speed along with his brutality

More brutality
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Hawkman #23 [Vol.4]: Matter Master (Hall)
Here Carter easily beats Matter Master by slicing his arm off, now this proves Hawkman is just a badass

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkeye23_pyrate_14.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkeye23_pyrate_15.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkeye23_pyrate_16-17.jpg

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JSA #58 [Vol.3]: Northwind (Hall)
Here Hawkman rips Northwind’s wings right off of him after he couldn’t talk sense into him [A hero and a friend]

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA58-03.jpg

Hawkman summons the local bird population to fight for him 😖hifty:

KM, a good example of his ferocity I think is from Identity Crisis, when he just burst in and smashed Monocle in the face.

Oh there are MANY examples of his brutality. Just proof that Hawkman would go all out right from the start, while even Spider-Man supporters admit Peter wouldn't as he often holds back.

Either way they have comparable physical stats, so no way does anyone dominate anyone. That's Carver for you.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Bwahaha

Yes and fighting speed. Well he hits machine gun fire away with his mace that good enough?

Not on Hawkman's level he beat.

Thats decent but I dont think thats nearly enough to definitively say hes faster than Spider-Man, who not only has that speed, but the consistency.

What do you mean not on HM level. The guys he did beat were a hell of alot faster than him.

Also brutality isnt a huge edge. Remember a. His HUGE damage soak. B. His spider sense that would warn him of lethal blows and C. Spidey constantly fights Logan; king of brutality.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Thats decent but I dont think thats nearly enough to definitively say hes faster than Spider-Man, who not only has that speed, but the consistency.

What do you mean not on HM level. The guys he did beat were a hell of alot faster than him.

That's one of many, he is known for his bullet time feats just like Spider-Man is. Difference, Hawkman can ALSO go mach speeds (light speed in silverage). So yes he is faster then Spider-Man. Not to the point where Spider-Man can't keep up though.

Flash level speedsters? Speed Demon is no where close to those levels 😬

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Also brutality isnt a huge edge. Remember a. His HUGE damage soak. B. His spider sense that would warn him of lethal blows and C. Spidey constantly fights Logan; king of brutality.

You missed the earlier debate, there was a point would Hawkman do what he would do against a hero? and he would

Also the difference between Hawkman is he can fly, has tech that can one-shot Spider-Man, and has other abilities Wolverine doesn't.

Like I said in another thread, DCnU Hawkman is pretty versatile in his own right. He also has enhanced speed, strength, and insane damage soak.

Here is Hawkman's fire protective/attack while he's getting absorbed.

Even pre 52 hawkman took surturs flames and it was said "Hawkman giggles at anything less then third degree burns" and has healed his throat being slit instantly. Yet people are trying to say spider-man has comparable damage soak? Come on 😬

The Nth metal is able to alert Carter of danger.

Explains to Slade that it can enhance his stats and create weapons.

Withstood pain from Blockbuster.

The Nth metal triggers a new combat mode to match Blockbuster.

Fights Shaggy Man despite losing a lot of blood.

Withstood a blow from Aquaman.

Spidey defeated stronger opponents on regular basis like IM, Juggernaut, Firelord

Hawkman was beating Batgod w/ Loebforce.

Originally posted by Fire Knight
Spidey defeated stronger opponents on regular basis like IM, Juggernaut, Firelord

If you ignore the context behind those

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's one of many, he is known for his bullet time feats just like Spider-Man is. Difference, Hawkman can ALSO go mach speeds (light speed in silverage). So yes he is faster then Spider-Man. Not to the point where Spider-Man can't keep up though.

Flash level speedsters? Speed Demon is no where close to those levels 😬

Dont mix up flight and reflex speed. If hawkman has any lightspeed or mach level reaction/fighting feats id like to see them. Everyone harps up when people_bring up Surfer's flight speed in a vs match, hawkman shouldn't be any different.

And HM aint nowhere near flash level. Considering the guys the flashes have jobbed to(batman, slade etc), I take those showings with a grain of salt anyway.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Dont mix up flight and reflex speed. If hawkman has any lightspeed or mach level reaction/fighting feats id like to see them. Everyone harps up when people_bring up Surfer's flight speed in a vs match, hawkman shouldn't be any different.

And HM aint nowhere near flash level. Considering the guys the flashes have jobbed to(batman, slade etc), I take those showings with a grain of salt anyway.

I didn't as I said he has both. He doesn't have lightspeed reflexes (silverage could go lightspeed), but mach speed is him dodging and hitting away bullets with ease.

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Speed
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Hawkman #9-10 [Vol.3]: Hawkman (Holl)
Here Hawkman dodges a blast from a Thanagarian rifle from behind him

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-009-22.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-010-01.jpg
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Hawkman #20 [Vol.3]: Hawkman (Holl)
Showing his vastly superior speed to Black Condor, who is shocked as Kator throws his weapon away and uses his speed to catch it in mid-air

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-020-11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-020-12.jpg
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Brave & Bold #44 [Vol.1]: Hawkman (Holl) & Hawkwoman (Sheyara)
Here the Hawks dodge bullets from a sniper and shows Kator's intelligence making lenses that can see invisible things

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-12.jpg
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Hawkman #49 [Vol.4]: Hawkman (Hall) & Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Here the two Hawk's dodge moving lazers from the Gordanian Shredders, that if one lazer hits you you will instantly suffer brain death

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-010.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-011.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-012.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-013.jpg
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Hawkman #37 [Vol.4]: Hawkman (Hall), Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Here the duo show once again they can easily evade gunfire, and Hawkman shows how smart he is in battle.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-02.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-03.jpg
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Shadow War of Hawkman #1 of #4: Hawkman (Hol) & Hawkwoman (Shayera)
Here Hawkman and Hawkwoman show their speed dodging bullet fire once again

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-06.jpg
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Shadow War of Hawkman #2 of #4: Hawkman (Hol)
Here Kator easily avoids laser blasts from other Thanagarian warriors

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman02-20.jpg
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Hawkman #47 [Vol.4]: Hawkman (Hall) & Hawkgirl (Kendra)
During the Rann/Thanagar War, a hord of Durlan bio-ships attack our heroes but that doesn't stop them. They easily avoid the ships laser fire

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-018.jpg
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Hawkman #3 [Vol.1]: Hawkman (Holl)
Kator twirls his bo staff so fast they destroy saucer weapons

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-12.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-13.jpg
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Hawkman #3 [Vol.1]: Hawkman (Holl) & Hawkwoman (Shayera)
The Hawks once again easily avoiding multiple gun-fire

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-23.jpg
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Hawkman #26 [Vol.4]: Carter Hall
Outflys a speeding elevator that had it's cables cut and flys out faster than the two vampires who set the trap.

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-05.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-06.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-07.jpg

etc...(dodged bullets so much I stopped posting them in the respect thread)

No he isn't, except he has done well against him and other Flash level speedsters many times. That's fact. He even has other abilities creating wind funnels and can suck the air out of the area. Contrary to what your implying Hawkman is more then just a low level hack and slash artist.

Then with Hawkman's enhanced vision Spider-Man is not going to move faster then he can react.
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Heightened Senses
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Identity Crisis #2 [Vol.1]: [Hawkman (Hall)]
Hawkman's vision is so great he can count the flaps of a Hummingbird and most importantly can see Flash when he is invisble vibrating so fast.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg
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Trinity #13 (Vol.2)
Here Hawkman can see people teleport a split second before they do, by seeing the air fracture

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity13p19.jpg
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Hawkman #13 (Vol.4): Eye-Sight (Hall)
Carter explains the nth metal allows him to see for miles.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_v4_13_016.jpg

As mentioned we haven't even gone into Hawkman's many other abilities. Anyone who says Spider-Man stomps is kidding themselves

Spiderman blitzed Masterson to near defeat and Masterson has flown light speed on many of occasions. He blitzed Firelord. He has blitzed Thor. He has blitzed a possessed Surfer. Hawkman would most definitely get blitzed.