Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by WildBantha88
awe 🙁 </3 and I bought her chloroform and everything
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Originally posted by PTforthewin
I'm not gay, I'm stating facts, if girls don't want to be slutted over the internet then they should stay in the kitchen and cook some pasta.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful."
-Beware of the Sith
Is that the exact quote?
Because it doesn't say more powerful there. Also none of these sources are canon anymore, and Lucas always seemed to imply ROTS Anakin was more powerful than OT Vader.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Is that the exact quote?Because it doesn't say more powerful there. Also none of these sources are canon anymore, and Lucas always seemed to imply ROTS Anakin was more powerful than OT Vader.
I think it's clear by now that Dooku is the superior duelist.
A. He fights more impressive swordsmen. ROTS Kenobi is no match for him, and he's taken on Grievous, Mace, Yoda, combinations of Kenobi/Skywalker, Ventress/Oppress, Tholme/Vos, and lived to tell the tale. Even while poisoned he fended off 3 assassins blinded. Dude is definitely a badass that only Mace, Yoda, and Palpatine can take a solid majority over him in a swordfight.
B. Vader has been wounded multiple times in duels. He's lost his hand at least three times to mediocre duelists. Dooku has never been touched besides his fateful duel in ROTS. Vader surely holds a strength advantage over Dooku but I think over the years we may have exaggerated how much of a factor that will play. After all, Dooku routinely defeats Grievous in sparring matches, outclasses Oppress, and seems to be slightly better than Skywalker during the later seasons of the Clone Wars cartoon.
Sabers: Dooku gets the edge; Vader may have refined his style but his track record simply can't compete with Dooku's. Dooku 6/10
With that being said, Vader probably holds an even bigger gap on Dooku when it comes to Force abilities. They're simply more powerful and destructive. The only ace Dooku has up his sleeve is Force Lightning and Vader has shown to be able to resist it. Plus, he has his lightsaber to deflect it so it shouldn't be that big if a problem. Whereas, when it comes to TK, Vader has a solid advantage over Dooku.
Force fight: Vader 8/10
Between the two, I believe ultimately that Vader has more of an edge on Dooku in Force abilities than Dooku has on Vader in swordsmanship. Not to mention Vader can take MUCH more physical punishment. Besides, Vader seems to be more focused and less arrogant a fighter by his prime and employs Don Much more successively(combining both Force abilities and dueling simultaneously).
I think it's clear that even despite his injuries from Mustafar, Palpatine views Vader as the superior Sith Lord.
All-Out: Vader 6/10
Originally posted by The Merchant
But Lucas also says that Vader is 80% of the Emperor. That's pretty significant, unless you want to claim ROTS Anakin was 90% as strong as the Emperor.
Maybe when he's "In The Zone". But yeah your right, on a normal day ROTS Anakin is nowhere near 80% of the Emperor. But then on a normal day I do not believe he's a match for Dooku either.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Didn't he say around ROTJ that he was more powerful than he ever was before?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful."
-Beware of the Sith
Overridden by George Lucas blatantly calling the PT the prime of fighting.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
So statements that make Vader out to be better are overwritten because of statements not even directly about Vader?
Yes because storytelling wise it makes sense that ROTS Anakin is peak Anakin. What sense does it make that the man loses all his limbs and then gets stronger? Makes the Battle on Mustafar pointless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he didn't. He rambled about something and called it their prime through incorrect use of the word/a nonsensical reason.
He makes it pretty clear that Vader's a cripple, Kenobi's and old man, and Luke an untrained boy. Filoni backs this up by saying Luke would lose to any member of the Council.