Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't see it as that way, but whatever. Unlike some, I don't feel like arguing this until I'm blue in the face
If Vader fought Luke with the intent of killing him from the start, so would he. Of course with Lucas saying RotJ Luke is the strongest Jedi ever, both of us would be wrong going by your source.
My point. And I've never seen Dooku fight Mace at his prime, when did this happen?
Mace is over 50 in ROTS, his prime is pretty much anytime post inventing Vaapad. And if that's not enough Dark Rendezvous blatantly states that " Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground"
Are you people really arguing that Anakin>Vader?
Vader's Force feats dwarf those of his younger self. Not to mention he spent decades refining his technique. He is much less arrogant and a more composed, intelligent fighter by the OT. The movies kind of dropped the ball due to being filmed when they were but his Force feats alone should ensure a win over his younger self. Vader's speed is still impressive, it's his lack of mobility/agility that he doesn't have in comparison. That has all been compensated for with his new style he invented.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Are you people really arguing that Anakin>Vader?Vader's Force feats dwarf those of his younger self. Not to mention he spent decades refining his technique. He is much less arrogant and a more composed, intelligent fighter by the OT. The movies kind of dropped the ball due to being filmed when they were but his Force feats alone should ensure a win over his younger self. Vader's speed is still impressive, it's his lack of mobility/agility that he doesn't have in comparison. That has all been compensated for with his new style he invented.
Vader's Force feats dwarf those of his younger self.
Not really, Vader's best Force feat to date is collapsing an Atoan cathedral. Anakin caused a grand dome 90 feet tall and three times that in circumference to implode telekinetically. I dare say there is definitive room for competition there.
Not to mention he spent decades refining his technique.
According to Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, he had to completely redraft his fighting style because of this misgivings in weight and mobility/flexibility caused by the suit. Thus, he would be spending that time developing and refining this technique, it would not be additive to the style that Anakin had spent over a decade *and* the Clone Wars refining his own.
He is much less arrogant and a more composed, intelligent fighter by the OT.
Have you read RotJ? Vader's arrogance and competitive nature are unchanged during his years as a cyborg, though admittedly he learned to compose himself more properly after the ambush on Kessel, realizing that he is no longer capable of simply charging into battles as he once could.
Vader's speed is still impressive,
Oh, I agree. Anakin's are still better in side-by-side comparison, though.
it's his lack of mobility/agility that he doesn't have in comparison. That has all been compensated for with his new style he invented.
I don't see why so many people think Vader's style is inherently more effective than Anakin's. His suit's lack of mobility/flexibility and additive weight made it so that he could no longer correctly practice his former style, and because of this he developed a new personalized style to play to his strengths and cover his new weaknesses. On the other hand, Anakin's chosen form already plays to his strength and he does not share the weaknesses that Vader does.
Vader may win a contest with Anakin through taking advantage of his ridiculous durability/ability to take damage paired with cunning use of Dun Moch, but otherwise Anakin has a notable edge in pure combat prowess, as displayed against the good Count.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not really, Vader's best Force feat to date is collapsing an Atoan cathedral. Anakin caused a grand dome 90 feet tall and three times that in circumference to implode telekinetically. I dare say there is definitive room for competition there.According to Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, he had to completely redraft his fighting style because of this misgivings in weight and mobility/flexibility caused by the suit. Thus, he would be spending that time developing and refining this technique, it would not be additive to the style that Anakin had spent over a decade *and* the Clone Wars refining his own.
Have you read RotJ? Vader's arrogance and competitive nature are unchanged during his years as a cyborg, though admittedly he learned to compose himself more properly after the ambush on Kessel, realizing that he is no longer capable of simply charging into battles as he once could.
Oh, I agree. Anakin's are still better in side-by-side comparison, though.
I don't see why so many people think Vader's style is inherently more effective than Anakin's. His suit's lack of mobility/flexibility and additive weight made it so that he could no longer correctly practice his former style, and because of this he developed a new personalized style to play to his strengths and cover his new weaknesses. On the other hand, Anakin's chosen form already plays to his strength and he does not share the weaknesses that Vader does.
Vader may win a contest with Anakin through taking advantage of his ridiculous durability/ability to take damage paired with cunning use of Dun Moch, but otherwise Anakin has a notable edge in pure combat prowess, as displayed against the good Count.
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Originally posted by NewGuy01not a bad idea
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