Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except Sidious/Plagueis's best in history's quote was released in 2012, which is after TOR came out. In fact, the novel even mentions the Sith Emperor in it. 😬
The book explores Emperor Vitiate from the perspective of Plagueis. The latter doesn't knows much about the former but believes that Emperor Vitiate was approaching The Ones in capabilities.
Their is also this quote in the book:
If a Sith of equal power had preceded him, then that one had taken his or her secrets to the grave, or had locked them away in holocrons that had been destroyed or had yet to surface.
Also, Emperor Vitiate had been properly expanded upon in an encyclopedic medium released after the book of Plagueis. It is therefore understandable why the author of Plagueis novel was not willing to expand much on Vitiate himself.
Originally posted by PTforthewin
Vitiate isn't stronger then palpatine. palpatine creates wormholes and that sucks in fleets. Your ****ing bioware is non-canon.
As Emperor Vitiate grew in power, he influenced an entire planet with his dark sorcery. In addition, he expanded his reach to galactic scale by manifesting himself within thousands of other individuals and spread his vessels in different parts of the galaxy to carry out his will. It have also been noted that Emperor Vitiate had explored the most uncharted and sinister depths of the dark side so it is realistic for him to be aware or capable of performing any kind of dark power. Possibilities with Emperor Vitiate are endless. In-fact, Emperor Vitiate controlled the mighty Dread Masters - individuals who could destroy fleets with their combined might.
BioWare works might be re-canonized, but for now;
"You are mine. Servants. Slaves. Weapons. And you will obey…"
😮💨
That quote is more of representation of promotion of these characters in this manner from the author of the book rather then being part of the lore itself.
The latter doesn't knows much about the former but believes that Emperor Vitiate was approaching The Ones in capabilities.
Also, Emperor Vitiate had been properly expanded upon in an encyclopedic medium released after the book of Plagueis. It is therefore understandable why the author of Plagueis novel was not willing to expand much on Vitiate himself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
😬 It is still canon, is it not?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't recall Plagueis even knowing about The Ones, and better yet, comparing them to Vitiate. 😕 Care to share a quote?
It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.
As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death—foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years—the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge. But those few had been so focused on worldly power that they had ended up trapping themselves between realms. That they had never provided the Order with guidance from beyond attested to the fact that their influence had been negligible, and had long since faded from the world.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes, the Encyclopedia brings Vitiate much light...in a even more limited perspective then the author of the Plagueis novel. It is similar to in the Tales of the Jedi comics they crown Marka Ragnos as the greatest Sith in history. The narrator has a limited point of perspective, and does not yet know about future greats like Vitiate, Bane, or Sidious.
Originally posted by PTforthewin
DE sidious > Vitiate
Plagueis > Vitiate
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDVitiate > Plagueis
No idea, some authors regard statements on the covers of books as (pure) promotion materials.Here:
It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.
As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death—foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years—the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge. But those few had been so focused on worldly power that they had ended up trapping themselves between realms. That they had never provided the Order with guidance from beyond attested to the fact that their influence had been negligible, and had long since faded from the world.
An Encyclopedia is a very different medium then a comic. An encyclopedia is designed to provide overview of galactic history and it is always written from a neutral perspective or from perspective of authors.
Hint: your opinion
Originally posted by carthage
LOL @ Vitiate being above Plagueis
Read this: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/
It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death—foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years—the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge. But those few had been so focused on worldly power that they had ended up trapping themselves between realms. That they had never provided the Order with guidance from beyond attested to the fact that their influence had been negligible, and had long since faded from the world.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Re-Read your own quote. Plagueis only considers Vitiate half the power of your average Celestial. Then further note that the Killiks consider the Ones greater then the Celestials.
Plagueis pointed out that The Ones wielded power that was beyond the grasp of mortals. But he believed that Sith could rival The Ones.
Originally posted by carthage
Better speed,
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force feats,
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strength,
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combat feats,
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knowledge of the force,
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and just better in every possible regard.
Originally posted by PTforthewin
Plagueis > HoT
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Plagueis was referring to The Ones in that description, and he was focused on the subject of immortality, not exactly power.Plagueis pointed out that The Ones wielded power that was beyond the grasp of mortals. But he believed that Sith could rival The Ones.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's wrong then. They are Force-Wielders.
Also, did he? I don't recall him doing such.
In particular: the ones called the Celestials—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings.
The Ones lasted many generations in existence among the Celestials. And The Ones have been implied to understand the Force in ways unlike mortals.
From official website of Star Wars:-
In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can. The Father maintained balance between his Daughter and his Son, who expressed affinity to the light and dark side of the Force, respectively. The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance. His goal was the same described in an ancient Jedi prophecy -- the rise of a Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force.
Notice the similarities?
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As far as the Force-wielder term is concerned, it have been used interchangeably with Force-user term in SWTCE.