Originally posted by carver9
It didn't dampen his power though. It made him more uncontrollable iirc. It's been a while since I've read that comic.
It affected his decision making so Hulk could throw the car battery at him and the acid get his face. He was all over hulk again and he is nowhere near Quicksilvers speed and his blades are nowhere near the Ebony Blade. True Hulk is faster and I believe in combat faster than Thor, but it's not enough here.
Originally posted by Geeker
It affected his decision making so Hulk could throw the car battery at him and the acid get his face. He was all over hulk again and he is nowhere near Quicksilvers speed and his blades are nowhere near the Ebony Blade. True Hulk is faster and I believe in combat faster than Thor, but it's not enough here.
Doesn't matter...that was classic Hulk. Current Hulk speed is a different story even though I agree with you on QS winning.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But still not THAT relevant, as a more powerful Hulk (WWH) was still getting slashed by Wolverine. Tougher to cut, yes, but he was still getting bloodied.Unless of course these guys replicate that barrier.
In that Agent of T.I.M.E arc strength was relevant as Dane couldn't get through the barrier it was Hulk, neither did he cut through time Hulk did that too. Even though the sword was capable, it didn't seem as though BK could replicate that feat as that barrier Hulk smashed to free the Knights was made out of the same "time energy" he was able to slice through in that scan posted. IIRC the two also fought earlier in the book and I don't recall Hulk having any wounds, but I'm on my phone so I don't have scans atm to confirm that.
What high powered beings has the blade actually cut? And by whom?
Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't matter...that was classic Hulk. Current Hulk speed is a different story even though I agree with you on QS winning.
I don't disagree current Hulk is the fastest Hulk ever, I would actually like Thor to gain some credible superspeed feats in combat. Even so, neither is Quicksilver in Combat speed as you say.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
That's faulty reasoning because other "weaker" Hulks have resisted being cut by Adamantium, and it was clear Wolverine wouldn't have been able to cut him much longer. Plus what relevance does that scene have in this thread? This isn't Green Scar, and he's not fighting Wolverine.In that Agent of T.I.M.E arc strength [B]was
relevant as Dane couldn't get through the barrier it was Hulk, neither did he cut through time Hulk did that too. Even though the sword was capable, it didn't seem as though BK could replicate that feat as that barrier Hulk smashed to free the Knights was made out of the same "time energy" he was able to slice through in that scan posted. IIRC the two also fought earlier in the book and I don't recall Hulk having any wounds, but I'm on my phone so I don't have scans atm to confirm that.What high powered beings has the blade actually cut? And by whom? [/B]
They did fight and Hulk didn't have a scratch on him. They had to call in Merlin to dimensional bfr Hulk because the others (iincluding BK) couldn't stop Hulk).
Originally posted by The Sorrow
That's faulty reasoning because other "weaker" Hulks have resisted being cut by Adamantium, and it was clear Wolverine wouldn't have been able to cut him much longer. Plus what relevance does that scene have in this thread? This isn't Green Scar, and he's not fighting Wolverine.In that Agent of T.I.M.E arc strength [B]was
relevant as Dane couldn't get through the barrier it was Hulk, neither did he cut through time Hulk did that too. Even though the sword was capable, it didn't seem as though BK could replicate that feat as that barrier Hulk smashed to free the Knights was made out of the same "time energy" he was able to slice through in that scan posted. IIRC the two also fought earlier in the book and I don't recall Hulk having any wounds, but I'm on my phone so I don't have scans atm to confirm that.What high powered beings has the blade actually cut? And by whom? [/B]
I used that to show a stronger Hulk (although, debateable, I agree - OK, an ANGRIER Hulk) was able to be cut. Adamantium is not in the thread, agreed, but I believe the EB to be just has plot devicey.
Zop/Digi are more fully versed with what it can do, so they are perhaps best to showcase a mini respect thread of sorts. But:
Hogun killed Skyfather Seth with it (http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_400)
Then when Black Knight threatened Zeus with it, he calmed down...though its a pretty debateable interpretation, maybe?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zop/Digi are more fully versed with what it can do, so they are perhaps best to showcase a mini respect thread of sorts. But:Hogun killed Skyfather Seth with it (http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_400)
Then when Black Knight threatened Zeus with it, he calmed down...though its a pretty debateable interpretation, maybe?
Also keep in mind Thor smashed Zeus upside the head earlier in the fight and it didn't even faze Zeus, yet when the EB was at his throat Zeus calmed down real quick.
There's also this :
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/mechanisaurusrexav.htm
Mjolnir couldn't damage the Mecha TRex fast enough to put it down but the EB tore it up giving Thor the opening he needed to finish it off.
The sword, in the right hands, also absorbs souls. Sans PIS and writer armor, one good hit and any of the characters in this fight are dead.
Originally posted by Geeker
Thor usually responds to a speed blitz by waiting for Gladiator to run off and in a circle around him and bash his hammer on the ground. That's CIS, not a valid response to a speedster who is ftl with a blade that cuts all matter including Gods.
You don't know much about Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zop/Digi are more fully versed with what it can do, so they are perhaps best to showcase a mini respect thread of sorts. But: [/B]
Zop, maybe. I know a fair amount of it, but it's from research I did for a tourney years ago. I saved none of the scans. I just came out of it with a healthy respect for the EB and what it can do. I've considered drafting Dane in pretty much every tourney since then, from meta to herald, solely for the blade.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You don't know much about Thor. [/B]
I do. I'll grant that it's not a foregone conclusion, but there is a reasonable case to be made for QS in this thread. Also, I'm unaware of whatever bandwagon you mentioned. All of my EB knowledge is at least a decade old.
Originally posted by zopzop
The sword, in the right hands, also absorbs souls. Sans PIS and writer armor, one good hit and any of the characters in this fight are dead. [/B]
I don't actually agree with this, but I think QS's reactions are such that OHK is largely irrelevant given the number of blows he could get in quickly.
Originally posted by DigiI do. I'll grant that it's not a foregone conclusion, but there is a reasonable case to be made for QS in this thread. Also, I'm unaware of whatever bandwagon you mentioned. All of my EB knowledge is at least a decade old.
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Then where's the debate? Thor can omni blast. He can spam the area with lightning and hurricanes. Or swing mjolnir once and end the fight
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Then where's the debate? Thor can omni blast. He can spam the area with lightning and hurricanes. Or swing mjolnir once and end the fight
He's not connecting with Mjolnir unless QS is dumb. Thor's reactions are great, but they're not that great, and Mjolnir's only serious FTL feats are in a straight line.
Omni-blast is viable, but assumes he gets the first attack. It's not going to take much for a speedster with the EB to kill any of these guys. The EB can also absorb magical and energy attacks. Now, I'm not sure what kind of standard knowledge QS has according to forum rules, but pointing the blade is really all that's required. The EB is traditionally great against magic attacks though. Also, in fairness, most of the omni attacks we reference for Thor are actually "multi" attacks...multiple directions, not all directions.
Hurricanes would take too long. This fight is going to be over in seconds, one way or another.
If we decide that Thor breaks CIS and instantly tries all of this, though, we also have to grant that QS will speedblitz impale/decapitate him.
I can't really say I know definitively how it will turn out. But there's the argument.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Then where's the debate? Thor can omni blast. He can spam the area with lightning and hurricanes. Or swing mjolnir once and end the fight
What you don't understand is that QS can kill Thor before he flinches. Thor getting the first attack implies that he is faster than QS, he's not.
And Thor's only feat of omnidirectional blast is when he was covered with enemies. Other feats show multidirectional blasts, not omni. He only did those because of fighting many opponents at once or a giant opponent. Never did he do a multidirectional blast when fighting a single opponent.
Originally posted by Digi
He's not connecting with Mjolnir unless QS is dumb. Thor's reactions are great, but they're not that great, and Mjolnir's only serious FTL feats are in a straight line.Omni-blast is viable, but assumes he gets the first attack. It's not going to take much for a speedster with the EB to kill any of these guys. The EB can also absorb magical and energy attacks. Now, I'm not sure what kind of standard knowledge QS has according to forum rules, but pointing the blade is really all that's required. The EB is traditionally great against magic attacks though. Also, in fairness, most of the omni attacks we reference for Thor are actually "multi" attacks...multiple directions, not all directions.
Hurricanes would take too long. This fight is going to be over in seconds, one way or another.
If we decide that Thor breaks CIS and instantly tries all of this, though, we also have to grant that QS will speedblitz impale/decapitate him.
I can't really say I know definitively how it will turn out. But there's the argument.
Originally posted by h1a8
All that shit takes lots of time to do (especially hurricanes or swinging Mjolnir or spamming lightning).What you don't understand is that QS can kill Thor before he flinches. Thor getting the first attack implies that he is faster than QS, he's not.
And Thor's only feat of omnidirectional blast is when he was covered with enemies. Other feats show multidirectional blasts, not omni. He only did those because of fighting many opponents at once or a giant opponent. Never did he do a multidirectional blast when fighting a single opponent.
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You could have just quoted and cosigned.
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