What...? Thor had to aim himself to grab Rulk, at FTL speeds. If he stoped to grab him he would be pulled by the Black Hole.
Look, im not saying to consider Thor with FTL reactions. I was only saying that : "Mjolnir's only serious FTL feats are in a straight line" is not 100% true.
He had to made a curve also in his flying trajetory.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1639059-1627807_red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg
I know. But im saying this feat with Rulk is more than just fly in a straight line. Fly in straight line means going to point A to point B.
In this feat he had to react to Rulk body and aim himself to grab him. Rulk was being pulled by the Black Hole at massively speed, he was not static waiting for Thor. Thor also had to have reaction speed to see Rulk...
Mjolnir was what flew faster than light but I think what he's trying to say is that since Thor physically grabbed Rulk at that speed, who was being sucked into a black hole at the time, he demonstrated reflexes necessary for that level.
At least that's what I think he's saying. Not sure what other argument is possible.....
If he flyed in a straight line all the time, what do you think:
- Thor caculeted exatly where Rulk would be when he came (even the exatly position of his body to catch him instead of bullrush him) ? But to do this he should be able to react/think at superspeed...
- Thor can order to Mjolnir : find Rulk, and let me in a perfect position to grab him...?
I think would be impossible to Thor to do this feat without a very good reaction speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Mjolnir was what flew faster than light but I think what he's trying to say is that since Thor physically grabbed Rulk at that speed, who was being sucked into a black hole at the time, he demonstrated reflexes necessary for that level.At least that's what I think he's saying. Not sure what other argument is possible.....
Yes, that what i was saying. My english is poor 😮
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaI think he flew in a straight line, because that's what we SAW him do. Therefore, the FTL feat itself was just that: a straight line FTL feat.
If he flyed in a straight line all the time, what do you think:
...Everyone here already knew he was capable of of FTL travel, though, so this isn't some huge revelation. Straight line FTL speed, however, doesn't equate to FTL battle speed--and that is where the debate lies. 🙂
Ok.
But for me Fly in a straight line is not equal to Fly in a straight line and do a action in the middle of the fly ( a action who would require super speed reaction).
But if any reflex/reaction feat that is not during a battle (like Superman saving people in superspeed) cant be used as "battle speed" ok then.
Again, im not even saying to use this as regular speed for Thor. But for me this feat is more than just going to point A to point B, because he made a action during the fly.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Well, he have a feat of saving Rulk from a Black Hole. He had to be at FTL speeds, and still he was able to grab him.
That's a bit of a stretch imo.
Let me put it this way: do you think he can tag QS with Mjolnir?
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
What...? Thor had to aim himself to grab Rulk, at FTL speeds. If he stoped to grab him he would be pulled by the Black Hole.Look, im not saying to consider Thor with FTL reactions. I was only saying that : "Mjolnir's only serious FTL feats are in a straight line" is not 100% true.
He had to made a curve also in his flying trajetory.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1639059-1627807_red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg
I was making a distinction between flight and reactions. Yes, it can curve slightly. Maybe I should have said "straight or nearly straight." The point is the same either way. Do you think he can tag QS with Mjolnir?
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaThis is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Ok.But for me Fly in a straight line is not equal to Fly in a straight line and do a action in the middle of the fly ( a action who would require super speed reaction).
But if any reflex/reaction feat that is not during a battle (like Superman saving people in superspeed) cant be used as "battle speed" ok then.
Again, im not even saying to use this as regular speed for Thor. But for me this feat is more than just going to point A to point B, because he made a action during the fly.
However, that certainly doesn't mean Thor can counter a FTL speedblitz by proxy(I'm hoping that isn't what you were getting at..?)
Obviously Thor needs to have some form of light speed reflexes to accomplish the feat.
Rulk was a moving target and Thor grabbed him while flying at the speed of light.
Denying that is silly and rather pointless. However, I don't think that was the necessary intention in that scene.
Writers treat flying speed, even when performing actions, differently from true combat speed in my experience.
By KMC rules i dont think Thor can tag QS before get killed.
If we going by the high-end feats only (and scalling him from fights against FTL people) /CIS/PIS off, i think he should be able to defend himself or tag someone at lightspeed or ftl (short moviment reaction or ability to summon attacks with his mind, like a omni blast.
And no, i dont think this feat alone with Rulk means he can defend himself from a speedblitz at FTL - but means he is not 100% "blind" during his FTL travels.
Originally posted by Digi
Do you think he can tag QS with Mjolnir?
Yup.
Has anyone brought up their fight? IIRC it was also under Slott, the writer who gave him all his uber feats.
Knocks him off his feet and is on top of him before he can do anything. Thor can definitely not deal with speed on a good day....
Pietro he's been dodging lightning as a teenager. Not sure why, but his Quicksilver was more like the Flash during his term as an Avenger.
