Quicksilver with the Ebony Blade Vs.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Obviously Thor needs to have some form of light speed reflexes to accomplish the feat.

Rulk was a moving target and Thor grabbed him while flying at the speed of light.

Denying that is silly and rather pointless. However, I don't think that was the necessary intention in that scene.

Writers treat flying speed, even when performing actions, differently from true combat speed in my experience.

Either way, that showing certainly isn't indicative of Thor being able to counter(with his own raw speed) a FTL speedblitz--as straight line FTL travel and FTL blitzing are two entirely different applications of speed... Which has been my only real point.

This image shows that the shockwave from Thor attack was faster than QS could react (or he would just outrun it).

But the question would be: Thor also attacked the ground before QS could react or he just let Thor do that...(over confidance) ?

Originally posted by Galan007
I think he flew in a straight line, because that's what we SAW him do. Therefore, the FTL feat itself was just that: a straight line FTL feat.

...Everyone here already knew he was capable of of FTL travel, though, so this isn't some huge revelation. Straight line FTL speed, however, doesn't equate to FTL battle speed--and that is where the debate lies. 🙂

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup.

Has anyone brought up their fight? IIRC it was also under Slott, the writer who gave him all his uber feats.

That scan is the first good argument I've seen against QS so far. Seems like an odd showing, though, like QS just...didn't move. If his boast about dodging lightning is anywhere near true, how do we explain this? Can Thor get off an attack AND have the ground AoE to QS before he reacts at all?

I had that scan. I was going to use it but decided against it. There's also an instance where Thor responded to an energy attack AFTER it was fired but i also see no need to post it. Marvel just does not like showcasing combat speed feats like DC does. It's the way it is. But i think a degree of common sense and practicality should be used. Will he tag Thor? Yes. Will he one-shot him? No. The amount of damage these guys (sans iron man) have survived is astronomically higher than what he can produce even with the blade. Plus it's not even basic knowledge that the blade could even do all those things mentioned. It took Dane years to figure it out and he's the most proficient user. How is QS gonna get thru Thor spinning mjolnir around in front of himself or simply pounding the ground or immediately bumrushing him ftl at the start. Its not like he isn't aware of his capabilities. He dealt with speedsters before. He's caught Hermes, Zephyr, etc. I think he's being seriously lowballed. Plus it's amusing how people keep using QS one showing of circling the globe as proof that he can't move ftl as evidence when he's never shown the ability before or since.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I had that scan. I was going to use it but decided against it. There's also an instance where Thor responded to an energy attack AFTER it was fired but i also see no need to post it. Marvel just does not like showcasing combat speed feats like DC does. It's the way it is. But i think a degree of common sense and practicality should be used. Will he tag Thor? Yes. Will he one-shot him? No. The amount of damage these guys (sans iron man) have survived is astronomically higher than what he can produce even with the blade. Plus it's not even basic knowledge that the blade could even do all those things mentioned. It took Dane years to figure it out and he's the most proficient user. How is QS gonna get thru Thor spinning mjolnir around in front of himself or simply pounding the ground or immediately bumrushing him ftl at the start. Its not like he isn't aware of his capabilities. He dealt with speedsters before. He's caught Hermes, Zephyr, etc. I think he's being seriously lowballed. Plus it's amusing how people keep using QS one showing of circling the globe as proof that he can't move ftl as evidence when he's never shown the ability before or since.

FTL isn't necessary. It's about reactions.

And it won't take him long to learn to stab. The other stuff is just insurance.

And how will he get past a spinning Mjolnir? Attack before Thor begins the motion. Or run behind him. Either seems viable. It also assume Thor does a very specific thing right away (and faster than QS). It's far less a stretch to assume QS will start stabbing stuff immediately.

That scan of their fight is a decent rebuttal. I'm not convinced though. But I'm also not delusional enough to think it's beyond merit.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
What...? Thor had to aim himself to grab Rulk, at FTL speeds. If he stoped to grab him he would be pulled by the Black Hole.

Look, im not saying to consider Thor with FTL reactions. I was only saying that : "Mjolnir's only serious FTL feats are in a straight line" is not 100% true.

He had to made a curve also in his flying trajetory.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1639059-1627807_red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup.

Has anyone brought up their fight? IIRC it was also under Slott, the writer who gave him all his uber feats.

Knocks him off his feet and is on top of him before he can do anything. Thor can definitely not deal with speed on a good day....

Pietro he's been dodging lightning as a teenager. Not sure why, but his Quicksilver was more like the Flash during his term as an Avenger.

Originally posted by Digi
FTL isn't necessary. It's about reactions.

And it won't take him long to learn to stab. The other stuff is just insurance.

And how will he get past a spinning Mjolnir? Attack before Thor begins the motion. Or run behind him. Either seems viable. It also assume Thor does a very specific thing right away (and faster than QS). It's far less a stretch to assume QS will start stabbing stuff immediately.

That scan of their fight is a decent rebuttal. I'm not convinced though. But I'm also not delusional enough to think it's beyond merit.

Im just not seeing it. At this rate we'll devolve into superman with eb vs a celestial.

And QS has blitzed Thor before when he was turned mindless, Thor had to resort to AOE attack then too. Here it will take only one swipe and Thor is done.

Originally posted by Digi
That scan is the first good argument I've seen against QS so far. Seems like an odd showing, though, like QS just...didn't move. If his boast about dodging lightning is anywhere near true, how do we explain this? Can Thor get off an attack AND have the ground AoE to QS before he reacts at all?

Why would it not be true when we just see him easily side step lightning? This is also the same writer who had him running ftl and crossing continents and shit in between sentences.

Explain what? Quicksilver dodged but Thor's no stranger to speed and is apparently fast enough to knock Quicksilver down and pin him before he could do anything.

The tone of the setting and the lightning dodge indicates that Quicksilver's guard was indeed up. Thor's dialogue further solidifies that the writer's intent was to show he is equipped to deal with speed. Apparently speed beyond even Quicksilver's. Which frankly, isn't exactly surprising.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would it not be true when we just see him easily side step lightning? This is also the same writer who had him running ftl and crossing continents and shit in between sentences.

Explain what? Quicksilver dodged but Thor's no stranger to speed and is apparently fast enough to knock Quicksilver down and pin him before he could do anything.

The tone of the setting and the lightning dodge indicates that Quicksilver's guard was indeed up. Thor's dialogue further solidifies that the writer's intent was to show he is equipped to deal with speed. Apparently speed beyond even Quicksilver's. Which frankly, isn't exactly surprising.

Never change rage.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That proves Thor needs AOE attacks to deal with superspeed, he only tagged a stunned QS. You are trying to label it as a speed feat for thor when the exact opposite happens in that scene.

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This can't be a real human being.

It proves that Thor's AOE CAN deal with super speed. No he tagged a fighting Quicksilver with AOE and was on top of him before he could do anything.

I didn't say Thor proved to be faster than Quicksilver in reflexes or something but why would it be anything other than a speed feat?

Thor STRUCK the ground and knocked him down before Quicksilver could dodge. He was then on top of him, before Pietro could move, stunned or not.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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This can't be a real human being.

Thor STRUCK the ground and knocked him down before Quicksilver could dodge. He was then on top of him, before Pietro could move, stunned or not.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Projecting again?

Because that's a pretty common thing to happen to speedsters like QS or Flash. For example Konvikt knocked out a running flash who blitzed him with a footstomp which sent AOE shockwaves. Post a konvikt vs flash fight and see who says Konvikt can do that to a running flash in a forum fight. And as it is, QS can easily go intangible to dodge anything Thor throws at him.

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That's not a reflex feat or whatever. Deal with it.

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So your argument is that because it's happened a lot, it's not relevant or doesn't count or something? What point are you even trying to make? That this wasn't Quicksilver at his ABSOLUTE best or something? Okay, that's fine. But it's still relevant.

And the writer clearly intended for Thor to have the capabilities to counter fast opponents.

That doesn't make any sense. Of course Thor has to have pretty fast reflexes to cross the distance and pin him before Quicksilver does anything, or recover even.

Since we're discussing Quicksilver, here Thor builds a trench around a large crowed preventing them from escape:

Notice Quicksilver had ALREADY started running.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So your argument is that because it's happened a lot, it's not relevant or doesn't count or something?

That doesn't make any sense. Of course Thor has to have pretty fast reflexes to cross the distance and pin him before Quicksilver does anything, or recover even.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Since we're discussing Quicksilver, here Thor builds a trench around a large crowed preventing them from escape:

Notice Quicksilver had ALREADY started running.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
No, the point is that it isn't a speed feat. Not really. In forum fight QS would dodge the shockwave too.

So? QS has the capabilities to dodge whatever Thor throws at him too and he would actually use them here, not stand like a moron and let a lightning shockwave hit him which he dodged one page earlier.

You don't have to be superfast to pin down a stunned QS. Again, one swipe from EB and Thor is done.

So now Quicksilver LET the shockwave hit him?

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Wow.

Literally a page earlier he showed that his guard was up and he mocked the speed of Thor's lightning attack. Thor taking it up a notch and knocking him down doesn't mean Quicksilver let himself get hit or something.

Seeing as how Pietro has super speed and reflexes, you probably have to be.

Now he takes out Thor in one-swipe? 😂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So now Quicksilver LET the shockwave hit him?

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Wow.

Literally a page earlier he showed that his guard was up and he mocked the speed of Thor's lightning attack. Thor taking it up a notch and knocking him down doesn't mean Quicksilver let himself get hit or something.

Seeing as how Pietro has super speed and reflexes, you probably have to be.

Now he takes out Thor in one-swipe? 😂

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Thor has been cut by just touching Black Knight while he was transforming in the substance of Ebony Blade and BP decapitated a skrull with the combined power of Thor, BRB and Loki with it. There is nothing to suggest Thor can survive getting hit in a vital spot by Ebony Blade.

Thor is no Superman after all.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Flash let Konvict hit him with a shockwave. You are learning how to read child. Speedsters have a weird habit of getting hit with attacks they should easily dodge, but let me guess, Thor's ground electricity was faster than his earlier attack?

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Thor has been cut by just touching Black Knight while he was transforming in the substance of Ebony Blade and BP decapitated a skrull with the combined power of Thor, BRB and Loki with it. There is nothing to suggest Thor can survive getting hit in a vital spot by Ebony Blade.

Thor is no Superman after all.

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The Konvict fight and this are one of the many examples that indicate speed is nowhere near the auto-win card that it is portrayed on forums. It happening a lot in no way decreases it's legitimacy or relevance here.

Of course his second attack was more swift than his first. Quicksilver DODGED the first and mocked Thor's lightning. He was hit by the second.

I never said the Ebony Blade could not cut Thor. However, there is a huge difference between a paper cut and one-shotting Thor. Who not only has amassed some notable piercing feats but has ridiculous damage soak.

Are you suggesting that some random Super Skrull from Secret Invasion had the combined powers of Thor/Bill/Loki?

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Are you some kind of retard? We had Ms. Marvel beating a Sentry/Hulk combo, Thor one-shotting a Galactus/Giant Man Skrull etc.