Exar Kun and Darth Krayt vs Vitiate(force powers only)

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Indeed, I think that he is either massively misinformed or his bias clouds his judgments.

Whenever I read posts from him saying things like this, I can feel my brain cells committing suicide one by one.

Debating with Carthage is like arguing with a brick wall or trying to explain politics to a toddler who isn't even potty trained yet.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He has a similar viewpoint on Bane, Zannah, and Revan, and his notions about all of them are really ****ing stupid.

Whenever I read posts from him saying things like this, I can feel my brain cells committing suicide one by one.

Debating with Carthage is like arguing with a brick wall or trying to explain politics to a toddler who isn't even potty trained yet.

In-fact, I sympathize with you here. As much as I like to uphold professionalism and civility, some people are just too much to cope with.

On another thread Carthage put Malgus and Krayt around the same level. So shouldn't that mean he knows that Vitiate is the winner here?

Kun's force abilities combined with Krayt's are superior to Vitiate's feats sans prep, so no.

Originally posted by carthage
Kun's force abilities combined with Krayt's are superior to Vitiate's feats sans prep, so no.

No. Vitiate made Revan and Malak his slaves with no trouble at all. I don't think he could do the same to Krayt and Kun but after some force lightning torments, he probably could even turn one against another.

And even with no mind games, he could still dominate them with his force powers. Vitiate could definitely defend against their combined force attacks while he takes out one of them and once he is 1on1 with either of them, he destroys.

Except that Kun's and Krayt's feats are superior to Darth Revan and Malak's 👆

Krayt knows absorption, is faster, and can simply blitz him. Vitiate isn't absorbing Kun's blast and Krayt's lightning, Krayt and Kun can both hit him with illusions. They aren't that far off him in terms of force power, once again he is shit without prep

And thats why I said he can't do the same to them didn't I?

But I won't argue with someone who says Vitiate is shit without prep.

And do you have any feats that suggest he can kill someone/incapacitate someone on Kun's or Krayt's level?

Edit: Random Jedi masters dont have the feats they do.

Nihilus never consumed anyone of their tier but you would agree that he could consume them right?

Darth Kreia: "There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense."

Vitiate's mind control is surely not unstoppable but it is a unique power that requires prior training and experience to be able to survive it. Top tier force users like Luke, Yoda, Sidious.. probably are immune to such mind tricks but nothing suggests that Exar Kun and Krayt could defend against Vitiate's mindraping skills.

Traya has a history of stupid quotes, so I doubt she is to be taken seriously. Off nexus there is no reason to believe Vitiate is capable of it, especially when he's fighting two users with superior feats to him around the board without prep.

Note, he dominated minds on Dromund Kaas, but off nexus all he did was force push four masters lol.

If there is no obvious power discrepancy here or something.

......Vitiate didn't push four masters dude 😬

Originally posted by carthage
Traya has a history of stupid quotes, so I doubt she is to be taken seriously. Off nexus there is no reason to believe Vitiate is capable of it, especially when he's fighting two users with superior feats to him around the board without prep.

Note, he dominated minds on Dromund Kaas, but off nexus all he did was force push four masters lol.

If there is no obvious power discrepancy here or something.

The plan to invade the Emperor's fortress succeeds beyond Master Braga's greatest ambitions. However, the Jedi find more than they bargained for when they finally confront the Sith leader in his lair. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Question should be: Your ignorance have limits? Yes or No.

His fortress was a nexus, lol. Its a nexus feat.

Has Vitshit ever done anything off a nexus like at all?

Originally posted by carthage
His fortress was a nexus, lol. Its a nexus feat.

Has Vitshit ever done anything off a nexus like at all?

Seriously, stop making a fool out of yourself. Your ignorance is stupendous.

All he did was force push them that's all. Braga has no feats matching Kun or Krayt in speed, force power, i,e relevant factors to this discussion.

Both have telekinetically hurled individuals before. How does this prove he can dispose of either of them? Especially when he's slower, can't react to Krayt's speed, and will get blown apart by Kun's blasts. Try again or better yet offer up something off a nexus for the guy

*facepalm*

He didnt force push em, bro. He destroyed them with a lightning storm.

So? Lightning can be absorbed by a saber, both fighters know tutamenis as well and are faster than Braga. Once again, he's never provided any relevant speed feat to suggest he wouldn't be blitzed outright

Originally posted by carthage
All he did was force push them that's all. Braga has no feats matching Kun or Krayt in speed, force power, i,e relevant factors to this discussion.

Both have telekinetically hurled individuals before. How does this prove he can dispose of either of them? Especially when he's slower, can't react to Krayt's speed, and will get blown apart by Kun's blasts. Try again or better yet offer up something off a nexus for the guy

The battle between a Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga and Emperor Vitiate took place on a space station. This is not a nexus setting by any stretch of imagination. Emperor Vitiate easily subdued this Strike Team with his powers, and this development/event refutes your claims about incompetency of Emperor Vitiate in neutral settings.

The reason why some people are getting agitated by your comments is because you do not pay attention to presented information and continue to spam BS.

Again its not really relevant as Braga has no feats that match them either way. He isn't dominating them with lightning, Braga and three random Jedi are hardly synonymous with two Dark lords of the Sith that have feats that rival Vitiate's.

Can you not see a difference between four featless Jedi and the suggestion he can simply shock them? Both fighters have better speed feats and better showings off nexus.

Originally posted by carthage
Again its not really relevant as Braga has no feats that match them either way. He isn't dominating them with lightning, Braga and three random Jedi are hardly synonymous with two Dark lords of the Sith that have feats that rival Vitiate's.

Can you not see a difference between four featless Jedi and the suggestion he can simply shock them? Both fighters have better speed feats and better showings off nexus.

With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Do you think that these Jedi were a joke or something?

You are simply taking advantage of lack of much information about capabilities of these Jedi in the lore (thus far) in contrast to the likes of Kun and Krayt.

Keep in mind that lot of quality Jedi existed during the era of Satele Shan, many have impressive feats under their belt including Satele Shan herself. The Jedi which were sent to capture Emperor Vitiate are among the finest of the Order in its history perhaps and Tol Braga is one of them.

Tol Braga packed strength and endurance of such magnitude that he once fought a powerful Sith Lord for 3 days straight and eventually convinced this Sith Lord to defect Sith Order and join the Jedi. When he confronted HoT, he managed to overwhelm a Jedi of such strength with his powers for a while; keep in mind that HoT is often compared to the likes of Yoda and Luke. Martial abilities wise, Tol Braga could swing his lightsaber in blur motion and such and was possibly an expert swordsman.

The Strike Team in question comprised of HoT as well who couldn't do much against Emperor Vitiate either. I really doubt that Kun and Krayt are better then HoT. Keep in mind that Emperor Vitiate easily defeated 4 of the Jedi finest simultaneously with his powers on a neutral setting. You are not realizing the magnitude of this achievement.