Exar Kun and Darth Krayt vs Vitiate(force powers only)

Malgus isn't a dark councillor.

Jadus....ehh, im unsure about him. He has an immense force feat, yet he can be beaten by Cipher 9.

Nox is an anomaly that's juiced up on 6 sith lords. And even then I somewhat doubt her superiority over Kun and Krayt.

Marr: Yeah, and he's the de facto leader of the dark council, having been on it for forty years.

Basically yeah, there are some very good dark council members, but the likes of Nox and Marr are top dogs on it. And even then they dont match Kun and Krayt tbh. Meanwhile for every powerful dark councillor like Baras and Thanaton, there's people like Xedrix and Vowrawn.

Now that you reminded me, I realized my mistake. Its weird that he isn't. So maybe I can say even the likes of Malgus cannot be a council member which shows how powerful they are? 🙂

These are just the ones that lived in a very short period of time. You're just assuming that Nox and Marr are the top dogs. What makes you think they were anything exceptional compared to the council members during 4500 BBY for example?

No it doesn't considering none of them ever bothered to actually man up and fight him they had to send lackeys to do it. Malgus outshines every dark council member in feats, and could likely kick Vitiate's ass of a nexus as well.

Malgus wasn't a Counciller because of POLITICS and also he pretty much hated everyone and wanted nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by carthage
No it doesn't considering none of them ever bothered to actually man up and fight him they had to send lackeys to do it. Malgus outshines every dark council member in feats, and could likely kick Vitiate's ass of a nexus as well.

lol

Why don't you just say Jar Jar Binks can take Vitiate too?

Because Jar Jar is stronger than Malgus.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus wasn't a Counciller because of POLITICS and also he pretty much hated everyone and wanted nothing to do with it.

Yeah I mean its weird to think that a great Sith like Malgus wasn't in the council no matter what the reason is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus wasn't a Counciller because of POLITICS and also he pretty much hated everyone and wanted nothing to do with it.

He did end up on the Dark Council for like a split second. Darth Arho was his primary rival, he presumably seized control of that pyramid when he declared himself being and Emperor.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Malgus isn't a dark councillor.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Jadus....ehh, im unsure about him. He has an immense force feat, yet he can be beaten by Cipher 9.

It have been pointed out in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia that Cipher 9 didn't stood a chance against a Sith Lord of such power during combat.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nox is an anomaly that's juiced up on 6 sith lords. And even then I somewhat doubt her superiority over Kun and Krayt.

Nox is possibly the strongest Sith in the galaxy after Emperor Vitiate. Issue is that people find it hard to digest that Nox could pack even greater punch then lets say Plagueis or even (ROTS) Sidious, the word anomaly makes sense for him. Combined might of like 7 Force-users is something that few can boast to match in the entirety of galactic history.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Marr: Yeah, and he's the de facto leader of the dark council, having been on it for forty years.

Basically yeah, there are some very good dark council members, but the likes of Nox and Marr are top dogs on it. And even then they dont match Kun and Krayt tbh. Meanwhile for every powerful dark councillor like Baras and Thanaton, there's people like Xedrix and Vowrawn.

It is possible that Nox and Marr are stronger then Kun and Krayt on individual basis.

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Even if we assume that Kun and Krayt are equal to 2 (typical) Dark Council members each, we get strength of 4.

And Emperor Vitiate is so powerful and dangerous that he once defeated a Strike Team of 12 Dark Council members with a single blast of power (whole Dark Council to be precise). Revan thought that it would be impossible to defeat an entire Dark Council in combat situation without use of an army or bigger force. Do the math.

Originally posted by Sinious
Now that you reminded me, I realized my mistake. Its weird that he isn't. So maybe I can say even the likes of Malgus cannot be a council member which shows how powerful they are? 🙂

These are just the ones that lived in a very short period of time. You're just assuming that Nox and Marr are the top dogs. What makes you think they were anything exceptional compared to the council members during 4500 BBY for example?

1. Malgus is definitely more powerful than any of the Dark Councillors in the TOR era. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? You think Vowrawn was more worthy of the Council than Malgus? 😂

2. I was saying they were the top dogs of the TOR era. And it's generally a flimsy argument to begin with to say, "Oh yeah maybe there were more powerful dark councillors in a different era," as they are generally unknowns and lack any real substance. Especially considering you bring up that I'm making assumptions, while right after you make an even less viable one.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. Malgus is definitely more powerful than any of the Dark Councillors in the TOR era. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? You think Vowrawn was more worthy of the Council than Malgus? 😂

2. I was saying they were the top dogs of the TOR era. And it's generally a flimsy argument to begin with to say, "Oh yeah maybe there were more powerful dark councillors in a different era," as they are generally unknowns and lack any real substance. Especially considering you bring up that I'm making assumptions, while right after you make an even less viable one.

I'm just saying that there is nothing that hints that the council we have in SWTOR is the golden age of the 1300 years old Dark Council.

It is possible that Nox and Marr are stronger then Kun and Krayt on individual basis.

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Even if we assume that Kun and Krayt are equal to 2 (typical) Dark Council members each, we get strength of 4.

Neither of them have feats that even put them even remotely close to Kun or Krayt..at all.. or even remotely. Being a dark councilor means nothing. Both of them were the strongest of their era, and on their own would prove difficult for Vitshit to defeat. Combine them and they could easily destroy nearly all of the members. There isn't that big of a power difference between them to assume otherwise

I would put Nox on Kun, Krayt, or Revan's level tbh. He got some badass feats.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nonetheless, one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. And yet a servant of Emperor Vitiate.

Yep. I completely agree.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My understanding is that Jadus didn't want Cipher 9 dead.

It have been pointed out in [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia that Cipher 9 didn't stood a chance against a Sith Lord of such power during combat.[/B]

Really? Thanks, that clears some things up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nox easily defeated a "supremely strong" Sith Lord with such power. This is too much to expect from likes of Kun and/or Krayt. Its not like as if Sith of Thanaton's caliber emerge frequently, he is already among the Sith finest.

Nox is possibly the strongest Sith in the galaxy after Emperor Vitiate. Issue is that people find it hard to digest that Nox could pack even greater punch then lets say Plagueis or even (ROTS) Sidious, the word anomaly makes sense for him. Combined might of like 7 Force-users is something that few can boast to match in the entirety of galactic history.

I wouldn't say it's necessarily out of their range. However I have no plans on turning this point into a protracted and drawn-out argument.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Marr is known to have routed/defeated whole Republic armies by himself. Only the mightiest of the Force-users can perform this well during combat situations.

It is possible that Nox and Marr are stronger then Kun and Krayt on individual basis.

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Even if we assume that Kun and Krayt are equal to 2 (typical) Dark Council members each, we get strength of 4.

And Emperor Vitiate is so powerful and dangerous that he once defeated a Strike Team of 12 Dark Council members with a single blast of power (whole Dark Council to be precise). Revan thought that it would be impossible to defeat an entire Dark Council in combat situation without use of an army or bigger force. Do the math.

While destroying an army is a very good feat, it took the collective efforts of thousands of jedi to effectively imprison Kun, and Krayt is vastly superior to jedi of his era who've taken out hordes of sith by themselves. Again, not trying to lowball it, just saying that it isn't unprecedented.

...Except we don't know the direct circumstances of the confrontation. Did he use a ritual? Because on-screen he really hasn't ever displayed such power. Take Revan, for example. If the Emperor was capable of annihilating a dark council on the fly, Revan wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds against Vitiate.

Originally posted by carthage

Neither of them have feats that even put them even remotely close to Kun or Krayt..at all.. or even remotely. Being a dark councilor means nothing. Both of them were the strongest of their era, and on their own would prove difficult for Vitshit to defeat. Combine them and they could easily destroy nearly all of the members. There isn't that big of a power difference between them to assume otherwise

I understand the importance of feats to determine the capabilities of a character but this isn't the only way to determine the prowess of a character.

Becoming a member of the Dark Council is not a matter of joke, it isn't 'nothing' as you put:

To serve on the Dark Council is to achieve the greatest position of honor, power, and influence in the Empire. Many Sith spend their lives plotting their ascension to the council, but with millions vying for only 12 seats, the competition is cutthroat. The powerful few who join the council often serve for only a few months, their lives cut short by internal power struggles or external enemies who target them for assassination. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Also, members of the Dark Council were typically among the strongest Sith in the galaxy in any era they have existed.

The argument that Kun and Krayt were strongest in their eras is flawed;

1. Kun could not be strongest in his era since he co-existed with thousands of other Sith Lords including Emperor Vitiate, Dread Masters and Dark Council members.

2. As far as Krayt is concerned, he eventually became the strongest Sith in an era but he didn't co-exist with some of the greatest of Sith/practitioners of the dark side in history at this point. His ranking is irrelevant.

And don't make unfounded/absurd assumptions that Kun and Krayt would be able to eliminate entire Dark Council in combat situation.

Kun's unamped feats off a nexus are superior to Vitiate's, sorry but there is no two ways about it. Vitiate has no showings that beat one shotting Odan Urr, paralyzing tens of thousands of senators, destroying Freedon Nadd (as a padwan), stalemating the greatest Jedi of his time, and destroying the premier lightsaber instructor his era, as well as tanking multiple blasts that turn people into charred skeletons. With prep he was still able to drain thousands of Massassi, and easily channel Sith spirits with a similar command to Nox. Kun's combat feats are also more numerous and better than Vitiate's

2. As far as Krayt is concerned, he eventually became the strongest Sith in an era but he didn't co-exist with some of the greatest of Sith/practitioners of the dark side in history at this point. His ranking is irrelevant.

He was the strongest of his era as well, and succeeded where Vitshit failed and that was taking over the galaxy. 👆

And don't make unfounded assumptions that Kun and Krayt would be able to eliminate entire Dark Council members in combat situation.

But you can make assumptions that they can defeat Kun or Krayt when most of them lack even basic combat showings? Lol

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I would put Nox on Kun, Krayt, or Revan's level tbh. He got some badass feats.

Ehh not quite, Nox has some great force power but nothing to suggest she is as powerful as Kun or Krayt in the way of feats. Is she stronger than Ulic, Wyyrlok, and or One sith I think so.

In the way of feats, Nox has utterly annihilated someone of Darth Thanaton's caliber 😬

and yeah, she's probably stronger than Wyyrlok/Ulic.

Not knocking Thanathon but again as strong as he is, he's never done anything really up their like Wyylok or Ulic either. Come to think of it Thanathon vs. Wyyrlok should be a thread.

Even assuming Ulic and Wyyrlok are more powerful than Thanaton, it isn't to the point where they'd annihilate him. Which Nox did.