I see the PG being discussed, I must play.
That scene with Surfer, and Thanos dodging his speed,
Thanos was definitely only using Power Gem empowered reaction quickness,
and he was definitely Not using "cosmic awareness" my friends:
As you can see, he specifically took his CA away, (before fighting heroes) and gave himself CA again after the Surfer miss.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see the PG being discussed, I must play.That scene with Surfer, and Thanos dodging his speed,
Thanos was definitely only using Power Gem empowered reaction quickness,
and he was definitely Not using "cosmic awareness" my friends:As you can see, he specifically took his CA away, (before fighting heroes) and gave himself CA again after the Surfer miss.
Mr. Masters...you're the best. Thanks buddy.
Gladiator's flight speed is not greater than a Herald of Glactus' flight speed. When has Gladiator gone so fast that he travelled back millions of years to the past? Galactus stated on panel that he gave Morg enough power to rival the Surfer, and that was when he only had the Power Cosmic. Morg goes on to beat the Surfer soundly in their first encounter.
Can Gladiator throw more punches than Morg? I already said that he could, but Morg never has to allow him the opportunity to get within striking distance, because he has the power to hit Gladiator before he ever comes close.
The Ebony blade can cut Morg, not sure if it would kill him due to the Waters of life making him immortal, and giving him an insane Lobo like healing factor.
I never said that Thanos was not amplified, I said that he turned off the other gems except the Power gem, and it was his own Cosmic Awareness that stopped the Surfer from stealing the gauntlet from him, which is on panel.
What does Thor have to do with reaction speeds here? What does he have to do with the fact that all of the heralds of Galactus were given Cosmic Awareness? Do we have to go back to the definition of what this ability means? Is Morg going to sit there knowing that the blade could damage him, and allow it to happen? So yes by all means give up.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see the PG being discussed, I must play.That scene with Surfer, and Thanos dodging his speed,
Thanos was definitely only using Power Gem empowered reaction quickness,
and he was definitely Not using "cosmic awareness" my friends:As you can see, he specifically took his CA away, (before fighting heroes) and gave himself CA again after the Surfer miss.
Was that the CA that the Gauntlet gave him, or did he shut off his own CA that he already possessed? Did Thanos remove all of his abilities just because he turned off the other gems?
Originally posted by Stoic
Gladiator's flight speed is not greater than a Herald of Glactus' flight speed. When has Gladiator gone so fast that he travelled back millions of years to the past? Galactus stated on panel that he gave Morg enough power to rival the Surfer, and that was when he only had the Power Cosmic. Morg goes on the beat the Surfer soundly in their first encounter.Can Gladiator throw more punches than Morg? I already said that he could, but Morg never has to allow him the opportunity to get within striking distance, because he has the power to hit Gladiator before he ever comes close.
The Ebony blade can cut Morg, not sure if it would kill him due to the Waters of life making him immortal, and giving him an insane Lobo like healing factor.
I never said that Thanos was not amplified, I said that he turned off everything except the Power gem, and it was his own Cosmic Awareness that stopped the Surfer from stealing the gauntlet from him, which is on panel.
What does Thor have to do with reaction speeds here? What does he have to do with the fact that all of the heralds of Galactus were given Cosmic Awareness? Do we have to go back to the definition of what this ability means? Is Morg going to sit there knowing that the blade could damage him, and allow it to happen? So yes by all means give up.
So what's the fastest Morg has flown/fought? He need these fts to prove that he can prevent Gladiator from ripping him in two.
Also...even though Morg power Rivals Surfer and he was created by Galactus doesn't mean they possess the same abilities. That's like me saying Firelord and Surfer are identical or Morg and Terrax are identical. Post scans proving your case.
If Thanos was amplified then why do you keep giving him the Surfer reaction ft? It does not belong to him since he was amped physically.
Originally posted by StoicWas that the CA that the Gauntlet gave him, or did he shut off his own CA that he already possessed? Did Thanos remove all of his abilities just because he turned off the other gems?
Although, he did specifically state that he would "Not know their next move." (this includes the slower moving heroes)
So, perhaps he didn't have CA of any kind in that scenario.
Well, at-least not enuff to sense Surfer, imo. (who was moving very fast compared to the heroes)
Originally posted by carver9
So what's the fastest Morg has flown/fought? He need these fts to prove that he can prevent Gladiator from ripping him in two.Also...even though Morg power Rivals Surfer and he was created by Galactus doesn't mean they possess the same abilities. That's like me saying Firelord and Surfer are identical or Morg and Terrax are identical. Post scans proving your case.
If Thanos was amplified then why do you keep giving him the Surfer reaction ft? It does not belong to him since he was amped physically.
All of the Heralds of galactus can fly fster than the speed of light, or they would be useless to him, and he would die of starvation before they ever got back to him. This is the least of the abilities that his Heralds are given. Morg was one of the most powerful Heralds created by Galactus at the time that he acquired the WOL. Mr' Master's coming in and making a statement does not somehow give you any points in this discussion. Just to let you know that.
Morg had different abilities, but flight speed was the same. he only thing that Gladiator can perform better than Morg is his ability to hyper fight. This however means little to a guy that can tank his punches, or hit him before he ever reaches him. Or should I believe that Gladiator is going to speed in and hit him while he can dodge multiple objects while traveling at FTL speeds? Your attempts at placing gladiator beyond his level is really amusing as well. He doesn't have a chance against Morg with this amount of power. Morg would hit him, and the hit would devastate Gladiator who has been seen to be hurt by far less. What is it that you don't understand about power levels? You can try to convince someone that a sedan can pull more weight than a train, but only an idiot would agree with you.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there good friend. I didn't know Thanos had CA, at-least not then. If he did, I was unaware.Although, he did specifically state that he would "Not know their next move." (this includes the slower moving heroes)
So, perhaps he didn't have CA of any kind in that scenario.
Well, at-least not enuff to sense Surfer, imo. (who was moving very fast compared to the heroes)
So how did he escape from certain defeat? The Surfer wasn't moving in slowmo mode. He traversed over a light year in a second or less. So what was the deal there? Poor writing vs on panel evidence?
Originally posted by Stoic
All of the Heralds of galactus can fly fster than the speed of light, or they would be useless to him, and he would die of starvation before they ever got back to him. This is the least of the abilities that his Heralds are given. Morg was one of the most powerful Heralds created by Galactus at the time that he acquired the WOL. Mr' Master's coming in and making a statement does not somehow give you any points in this discussion. Just to let you know that.Morg had different abilities, but flight speed was the same. he only thing that Gladiator can perform better than Morg is his ability to hyper fight. This however means little to a guy that can tank his punches, or hit him before he ever reaches him. Or should I believe that Gladiator is going to speed in and hit him while he can dodge multiple objects while traveling at FTL speeds? Your attempts at placing gladiator beyond his level is really amusing as well. He doesn't have a chance against Morg with this amount of power. Morg would hit him, and the hit would devastate Gladiator who has been seen to be hurt by far less. What is it that you don't understand about power levels? You can try to convince someone that a sedan can pull more weight than a train, but only an idiot would agree with you.
So you have scans of Morg speed and him using it? This is a simple question. Like I've told you before, we don't go by what we think, we go by what's on panel. Morg doesn't fight the way you are saying he does ON PANEL. Morg is a brute 99% of the time so why are we having him fighting different here? If you are debating with CIS off, then Gladiator without the sword stomps by moving at FTL speeds punching Morg with planet destroying hits while heat visioning him as well and everything I've said has been shown on panel.
This debate could have been over with if you ever decide to post scans. Show Morg combat speed and this suppose flight speed you keep mentioning.
Did you honestly think someone would have agreed with you on your intake about the Thanos showing with the gems? Really?
Originally posted by carver9
So you have scans of Morg speed and him using it? This is a simple question. Like I've told you before, we don't go by what we think, we go by what's on panel. Morg doesn't fight the way you are saying he does ON PANEL. Morg is a brute 99% of the time so why are we having him fighting different here? If you are debating with CIS off, then Gladiator without the sword stomps by moving at FTL speeds punching Morg with planet destroying hits while heat visioning him as well and everything I've said has been shown on panel.This debate could have been over with if you ever decide to post scans. Show Morg combat speed and this suppose flight speed you keep mentioning.
Did you honestly think someone would have agreed with you on your intake about the Thanos showing with the gems? Really?
So if i don't have scans, does this mean that Morg can not move at FTL flight speeds when he does it every time he looks for a planet for his master to feed on, and make it back home for dinner? Is this what your logic is leading you to believe?
Also did you miss the part where i said that Gladiator's combat speed is greater? You must have because not once did I deny this. However you seem to be at a loss to understand that Morg never has to allow Gladiator a chance to reach him when he has Cosmic Awareness. Did you miss that part?
Originally posted by carver9
Hyper space?
So in other words all of the other Heralds can fly faster than light, but Morg was the one that Galactus kept from flying this fast? Morg does not have a respect section. I also told you about my inability post scans, and yet the ignorance in you will not allow this to sink in. No matter I'll google his abilities for you.
Originally posted by StoicSo how did he escape from certain defeat? The Surfer wasn't moving in slowmo mode. He traversed over a light year in a second or less. So what was the deal there? Poor writing vs on panel evidence?
There's really no other explanation. We know without question he did not have CA in that instant.
Originally posted by Stoic
So in other words all of the other Heralds can fly faster than light, but Morg was the one that Galactus kept from flying this fast? Morg does not have a respect section. I also told you about my inability post scans, and yet the ignorance in you will not allow this to sink in. No matter I'll google his abilities for you.
Even if by some chance he can fly at FTL speeds...doesn't prove that he comes close to being at Gladiator's level of speed. Doesn't matter because I don't think Gladiator fights like a DBZ character anyways...I just think he will land the first attack and that is all that is needed to win this battle.
Within both of these pages you will get a near clear gauge of his abilities.
Originally posted by carver9
Even if by some chance he can fly at FTL speeds...doesn't prove that he comes close to being at Gladiator's level of speed. Doesn't matter because I don't think Gladiator fights like a DBZ character anyways...I just think he will land the first attack and that is all that is needed to win this battle.
How is it enough to win the battle when Morg was virtually immortal due to the Waters of Life? This allowed him to heal from nearly anything if what was said about the Waters of Life were true. And since I do not believe that gladiator would ever get within striking distance to use the blade on him anyways, it doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It may have been a pissy way to convey the scene, but imo, Thanos just reacted that fast.There's really no other explanation. We know without question he did not have CA in that instant.
Well you're correct even though it makes no sense that he could react that fast without seeing the Surfer streaking towards him. I'll leave it as poor writing.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It may have been a pissy way to convey the scene, but imo, Thanos just reacted that fast.There's really no other explanation. We know without question he did not have CA in that instant.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see the PG being discussed, I must play.That scene with Surfer, and Thanos dodging his speed,
Thanos was definitely only using Power Gem empowered reaction quickness,
and he was definitely Not using "cosmic awareness" my friends:As you can see, he specifically took his CA away, (before fighting heroes) and gave himself CA again after the Surfer miss.
As was recently revealed, Thanos always knew exactly when Surfer would attempt to snag the IG from him, and he always knew that Surfer would fail in this attempt:
http://i.imgur.com/pe3R6Gd.jpg
So the 'near miss' we saw in the original arc(posted by Mr M) that appeared to 'surprise' Thanos has been retconned in a sense. Thanos knew absolutely everything that was going to happen to him the instant he gained the gauntlet(including the precise moment when he would lose possession of it.)
It's also worth noting that a mere avatar of Thanos /w/ IG, of whom possessed just a fraction of real IG's power, was able to gesturely own Mephisto in his own realm. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
As was recently revealed, Thanos always knew exactly when Surfer would attempt to snag the IG from him, and he always knew that Surfer would fail in this attempt:
http://i.imgur.com/pe3R6Gd.jpg
So the 'near miss' we saw in the original arc(posted by Mr M) that appeared to 'surprise' Thanos has been retconned in a sense. Thanos knew absolutely everything that was going to happen to him the instant he gained the gauntlet(including the precise moment when he would lose possession of it.)It's also worth noting that a mere avatar of Thanos /w/ IG, of whom possessed just a fraction of real IG's power, was able to gesturely own Mephisto in his own realm. 👆
👆 nice scan.
