Originally posted by Stoic
Low showings? He has so many, it's kind of hard not to recall all of the poor ones. All the same, Black Bolt was giving it to him during War of Kings. Morg is much more powerful than Black Bolt is in this thread. There is a difference in focusing to destroy a planet, and casually flexing and turning one into rubble.
When did Black Bolt give it to him during War of Kings? They fought once ending with Gladiator flash koing him (the Shiar cut his scream off though).
What other lowshowings does Gladiator have?
Originally posted by carver9
I already posted it. He tanked a blast that had enough power to shed half of a solar system. Solar system>>>>>>>>> planet. He also swam through a Gas Giant. He has tanked far worse.Lol at bringing up lowshowings.
Do we have to have another talk about you misrepresenting things?
Like how Gladiator was messed up after "containing" that blast?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Do we have to have another talk about you misrepresenting things?Like how Gladiator was messed up after "containing" that blast?
He wasn't messed up though. He was fatigued after the blast (but went on ahead after withstanding said attack and defeated the Fantastic four with ease). His physical she'll was intact.
Originally posted by carver9
When did Black Bolt give it to him during War of Kings? They fought once ending with Gladiator flash koing him (the Shiar cut his scream off though).What other lowshowings does Gladiator have?
That was to show the level that black Bolt was on. You're either slow on the uptake, or you do this crap on purpose.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Do we have to have another talk about you misrepresenting things?Like how Gladiator was messed up after "containing" that blast?
He did this for an entire page trying to save face. Even when he was caught neck deep in his own BS he still tried playing it off. Both scans were misrepresentations of what was truly going on there. In one it even states that Thanos turned off every Gem except for the Power Gem, and Carver seemingly failed to understand it. It's one or two things, deceit, or...
Originally posted by Stoic
That was to show the level that black Bolt was on. You're either slow on the uptake, or you do this crap on purpose.He did this for an entire page trying to save face. Even when he was caught neck deep in his own BS he still tried playing it off. Both scans were misrepresentations of what was truly going on there. In one it even states that Thanos turned off every Gem except for the Power Gem, and Carver seemingly failed to understand it. It's one or two things, deceit, or...
What was misinterpreted? Are you still in denial. Everything that you said I posted a scan proving you wrong. If anyone brought up incorrect info...it was you. You said Thanos wasn't amped when overall...He was amped. You said Surfer stopped Rhino bullrush when on panel...He didn't. I posted a scan of Gladiator withstanding a solar system shaking blast and you compare it to a planet destroying attack that you as of yet provided a scan. I don't need to safe face...you do.
Originally posted by Stoic
Prove it? Why don't you try to disprove it? The Surfer moved with such speed once that someone that could not react to the kind of speed that he was moving at, would not, and could not have reacted, when he traversed over a light year in a second to attempt to snatch the IG from him. So yeah why don't you try to disprove it?
Here you brought up Thanos reacting to Surfer but failed to mentioned he had limitless power. Why give Thanos such a ft when he was amped. Would you like me to post the rest of your craziness because I don't mind.
Originally posted by Stoic
This is what happens when Heralds are written poorly. Cosmic Awareness is the same no matter what hero has it. Captain Mar-Vell had it, and it allows them a level of precognition. The Surfer exhibited this ability when he stopped the Rhino's bull-rush. You can always go to the respect thread and check it out for yourself. Does it make much sense to you that someone can fly through a thick asteroid field doing better than the speed of light and miss every single one, but would not be able to dodge one punch? Like I said, Gladiator would have a difficult time hitting a well written Herald focused on killing him. The power difference between the two is also huge.
Here you state Surfer stopped Rhino's bullrush and I proved you wrong yet again since he DIDN'T stop his bullrush. I can show you the rest of your posts if you want.
Originally posted by carver9
What was misinterpreted? Are you still in denial. Everything that you said I posted a scan proving you wrong. If anyone brought up incorrect info...it was you. You said Thanos wasn't amped when overall...He was amped. You said Surfer stopped Rhino bullrush when on panel...He didn't. I posted a scan of Gladiator withstanding a solar system shaking blast and you compare it to a planet destroying attack that you as of yet provided a scan. I don't need to safe face...you do.
Are you serious right now? I said that Thanos was only using the Power Gem, and turned the others off, which is clearly stated in the scans that you posted. When does the Power Gem give it's user spatial, or more to the point Cosmic Awareness? You're still doing it. Then you turn around and fail to show the context behind what was going on with the Surfer and the Rhino. When the truth is, Norrin did not see the Rhino as a threat, and could have ended the entire fiasco before it ever began. If you can't see this then why don't you post the entire confrontation, and show everyone the exchange of words that were spoken all the way up til the end when Norrin stops him cold.
Then you attempt to place Gladiator on Morg's level when he has trouble stopping Black Bolt who didn't even use all of his powers on Gladiator during their fight. My point was that Gladiator is closer in power to Black Bolt than he is to Morg who towered over both of these guys in terms of power. Just give it up Carver.
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you serious right now? I said that Thanos was only using the Power Gem, and turned the others off, which is clearly stated in the scans that you posted. When does the Power Gem give it's user spatial, or more to the point Cosmic Awareness? You're still doing it. Then you turn around and fail to show the context behind what was going on with the Surfer and the Rhino. When the truth is, Norrin did not see the Rhino as a threat, and could have ended the entire fiasco before it ever began. If you can't see this then why don't you post the entire confrontation, and show everyone the exchange of words that were spoken all the way up til the end when Norrin stops him cold.Then you attempt to place Gladiator on Morg's level when he has trouble stopping Black Bolt who didn't even use all of his powers on Gladiator during their fight. My point was that Gladiator is closer in power to Black Bolt than he is to Morg who towered over both of these guys in terms of power. Just give it up Carver.
Ok...you are crazy. You brought up Thanos using the power gem AFTER I posted a scan proving your entire argument wrong that Thanos react to Surfer 'under his own power' which was your entire argument. I don't care if you think it was only the power gem or not (second time saying this) that Thanos used while fighting the heros...what I care about is you misinterpreting scenes by saying Thanos reacted to Surfer when overall, it wasn't just Thanos, the gems or gem had play it in as well. Lol...then you try to change the argument (after I proved you wrong) by saying it was just the power gem. I do t care if it was just the power gem, as long as I crushed your entire argument. Then you did it again. In your posts you said Surfer used the power cosmic and reacted to Rhino bullrush. I then post a scan showing Surfer NOT reacting to Rhino's bullrush...then you try to change the argument by saying "post what happened after that, Surfer defeats Rhino". I don't care if he defeated Rhino or not, what I care about is that Surfer didn't use power cosmic to react to Rhino's attack. Like I've stated before, if anyone is trying to save face, it is you. Do I need to bring up the rest of your arguments that I debunked?
Originally posted by carver9
Ok...you are crazy. You brought up Thanos using the power gem AFTER I posted a scan proving your entire argument wrong that Thanos react to Surfer 'under his own power' which was your entire argument. I don't care if you think it was only the power gem or not (second time saying this) that Thanos used while fighting the heros...what I care about is you misinterpreting scenes by saying Thanos reacted to Surfer when overall, it wasn't just Thanos, the gems or gem had play it in as well. Lol...then you try to change the argument (after I proved you wrong) by saying it was just the power gem. I do t care if it was just the power gem, as long as I crushed your entire argument. Then you did it again. In your posts you said Surfer used the power cosmic and reacted to Rhino bullrush. I then post a scan showing Surfer NOT reacting to Rhino's bullrush...then you try to change the argument by saying "post what happened after that, Surfer defeats Rhino". I don't care if he defeated Rhino or not, what I care about is that Surfer didn't use power cosmic to react to Rhino's attack. Like I've stated before, if anyone is trying to save face, it is you. Do I need to bring up the rest of your arguments that I debunked?
You didn't crush anything, you just made yourself look stupid as shit Carver, and you keep doing all by yourself. The problem here seems to be a lack of understanding on your part. The Power gem never gave Thanos anything other than Power. It does not allow the user to use spatial, or cosmic awareness, which is what Thanos used to dodge the Surfer's attempt at removing the Infinity Gauntlet from him, when he traversed over a light year in a second. This is Thanos being able to react, at FTL speeds, because of Cosmic Awareness/ This is something that all of the Heralds possess, and Captain Mar-Vell did as well. Actually several characters possess it including Thanos.
Now in your last bid to avoid the crushing truth of your deceit, you try to pour your sh1t on me. -Pr- saw it, and I'm pretty sure that anyone else that read your nonsense saw it as well. You must honestly believe that the people here are stupid? If you want to continue undermining your credibility here be my guest, but don't try to play me like a dummy. You lied to try to save face, and now you need Preparation H to sooth the swelling.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't need to post the entire comic since it is clear, cut on what Thanos is saying."I will cut myself off from Sensory input from the gems BUT I will still retain LIMITLESS POWER". This will prevent me from knowing my opponent next move.
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I think you are a cool guy Stoic but da**. Now let's move back to the topic at hand. Gladiator wins since nothing has been proven otherwise.
Thanos states "AND I WOULD STILL RETAIN LIMITLESS POWER". Even if he used just the power gem, the gem amps your physical stats along with your other powers which again goes against your argument of Thanos reacting to Surfer. God. Why do I have to explain this? The question you need to ask yourself is what does limitless power mean. The next question you need to ask yourself is, what areas was that limitless power applied to on Thanos abilities. Then you need to think...think this "if he had LIMITLESS POWER while cutting off his sensors from them gems, did he actually perform such ft by himself since his Power is limitless (think).
Next thing. Lol...Pr wasn't even commenting on our argument about Thanos and Surfer, he is talking about the Gladiator ft. A while back Pr and myself had a long debate about the solar system destroying ft. Pr said that he didn't tank it and he posted a scan where Gladiator said that he was fatigued after being hit by the attack. I agreed with Pr and that was that. Pr response was to me saying that Gladiator didn't tank the attack and he didn't. He was fatigued afterwards but that is still a helluva ft, even if it caused him to fatigue and it is leagues above the planet busting ft you keep mentioning that you failed to post a scan as of yet. Also...right after withstanding that attack (not tank), Gladiator flew to the earth at 100 times the speed of light and mud stomped the fantastic four (one shot koed Thing). So yeah...the fts you are naming for Morg is within a Herald ability to do.
And again, if anyone is proven wrong, it is you. You really do need to concede. Like for real.
Here's a questionnaire for you Carver.
1. Can Morg use Cosmic Awareness when Galactus gives all of his Heralds this power to track even a dust mote in an endless desert?
2. Can Morg use an omnidirectional blast to hit Gladiator before he ever get within striking range with a long sword?
3. Was Morg's omnidirectional blast large enough to encompass an entire planet, reducing it to rubble?
4. Would this omnidirectional blast be enough to stun gladiator who has been stunned by less than planetary destruction?
5. If Morg destroyed a planet with ease, would he have trouble hurting Gladiator?
6. Can Morg fly at light speed or faster, when Galactus stated that he gave him power to rival the Silver Surfer?
7. What stops Morg from finishing Gladiator off once Gladiator is at the very least stunned by his omnidirectional attack?
8. Can the Ebony Blade be blasted out of Gladiator's hand?
9. Does the Ebony Blade have an enchantment that allows it's wielder to call for it like Thor can call for Mjolnir when he is separated from it?
10. Is Gladiator even remotely as powerful as this version of Morg?
Originally posted by carver9
Thanos states "AND I WOULD STILL RETAIN LIMITLESS POWER". Even if he used just the power gem, the gem amps your physical stats along with your other powers which again goes against your argument of Thanos reacting to Surfer. God. Why do I have to explain this? The question you need to ask yourself is what does limitless power mean. The next question you need to ask yourself is, what areas was that limitless power applied to on Thanos abilities. Then you need to think...think this "if he had LIMITLESS POWER while cutting off his sensors from them gems, did he actually perform such ft by himself since his Power is limitless (think).Next thing. Lol...Pr wasn't even commenting on our argument about Thanos and Surfer, he is talking about the Gladiator ft. A while back Pr and myself had a long debate about the solar system destroying ft. Pr said that he didn't tank it and he posted a scan where Gladiator said that he was fatigued after being hit by the attack. I agreed with Pr and that was that. Pr response was to me saying that Gladiator didn't tank the attack and he didn't. He was fatigued afterwards but that is still a helluva ft, even if it caused him to fatigue and it is leagues above the planet busting ft you keep mentioning that you failed to post a scan as of yet. Also...right after withstanding that attack (not tank), Gladiator flew to the earth at 100 times the speed of light and mud stomped the fantastic four (one shot koed Thing). So yeah...the fts you are naming for Morg is within a Herald ability to do.
And again, if anyone is proven wrong, it is you. You really do need to concede. Like for real.
Limitless power that the Power Gem gives him. This is not Cosmic Awareness. Wow dude, get it together.
Originally posted by Stoic
Limitless power that the Power Gem gives him. This is not Cosmic Awareness. Wow dude, get it together.
What are you talking about? Don't change the subject. Your post was in reference to Thanos reacting to Surfer. Your initial post had something to do with Thanos possessing super speed so you brought the Surfer showing up to prove this. I disagreed with that being a speed ft for Thanos and that's when the debating began. My point is, Thanos didn't dodge Surfer under his own power since he stated in n the comic he possess limitless power. Now if you disagree with this, I think our best bet is to battlezone this topic. Let me know.
Also, where during that scene was it mentioned Thanos used cosmic awareness?
Here's a questionnaire for you Carver.
1. Can Morg use Cosmic Awareness when Galactus gives all of his Heralds this power to track even a dust mote in an endless desert?
I've never seen him use cosmic awareness. If he used it, can you provide a scan?
2. Can Morg use an omnidirectional blast to hit Gladiator before he ever get within striking range with a long sword?
Gladiator is faster than him...so no. Gladiator has fts of flying 100 times the speed of light and also punching at light speed. Morg doesn't have a single combat speed ft to my knowledge and 99% of the times, he fights like a brute.
3. Was Morg's omnidirectional blast large enough to encompass an entire planet, reducing it to rubble?
Yes, but it doesn't matter since Gladiator has withstood things far greater than Planetary.
4. Would this omnidirectional blast be enough to stun gladiator who has been stunned by less than planetary destruction?
Would Gladiator planetary fist be enough to stun Morg if he threw them at super speed? This isnt including the e blade that would rip Morg in half.
5. If Morg destroyed a planet with ease, would he have trouble hurting Gladiator?
Never said he couldn't hurt Gladiator. Morg could kill Gladiator but Gladiator can hurt and kill Morg as well.
6. Can Morg fly at light speed or faster, when Galactus stated that he gave him power to rival the Silver Surfer?
He probably could fly FTL speed. Hell, Vulcan can fly that fast as well and he still got his eye snatched out by Gladiator along with getting one pieced. Don't get your point.
7. What stops Morg from finishing Gladiator off once Gladiator is at the very least stunned by his omnidirectional attack?
What's to stop Gladiator from finishing Morg off after getting into close proximity of him with a blade that would slice him in half. Gladiator is the faster one here.
8. Can the Ebony Blade be blasted out of Gladiator's hand?
It probably could but it will not happen here. Gladiator reflexes>> Morg's. Also...why are you making Morg fight in a fashion he has not shown on panel?
9. Does the Ebony Blade have an enchantment that allows it's wielder to call for it like Thor can call for Mjolnir when he is separated from it?
No
10. Is Gladiator even remotely as powerful as this version of Morg?
He isn't as powerful as Morg with the WOL but he is wielding a weapon that gives him a huge advantage. Without the sword, Morg wins 10/10...with it, Gladiator gets a high majority...possibly a sweep since it would just take one hit to finish Morg off.
Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? Don't change the subject. Your post was in reference to Thanos reacting to Surfer. Your initial post had something to do with Thanos possessing super speed so you brought the Surfer showing up to prove this. I disagreed with that being a speed ft for Thanos and that's when the debating began. My point is, Thanos didn't dodge Surfer under his own power since he stated in n the comic he possess limitless power. Now if you disagree with this, I think our best bet is to battlezone this topic. Let me know.Also, where during that scene was it mentioned Thanos used cosmic awareness?
I said Cosmic Awareness, don't try to twist my words, and Thanos used it to deny the Surfer from removing the Gauntlet from his hand. It was right there on panel Carver. What Thanos did was react to a being moving at greater than light speed due to his Cosmic Awareness. You tried to deny that thanos could react this fast when you told me to prove that the Fallen One was moving at light speed when Thanos clocked him. I could not, because it was not written on panel. However when he did this to the Surfer, it is without a doubt that he can, and has performed under this type speed. Now you want to strawman and toss in the red herrings to stay away from the topic at hand. You even try to play stupid, but it's not fooling anyone Carver.
And SMH, at trying to place Morg with the Power Cosmic, and the Waters of Life in the Herald tier. He was a high Herald with just the Power Cosmic. This is a fact. Gladiator isn't even considered a high Herald, he's a mid Herald at best. The long sword isn't going to somehow bump him up to Morg's level. Nor will it stop a guy with Cosmic Awarness from realizing that the sword could hurt him. Nothing would stop Morg from getting Gladiator out of reach of the weapon, and flying in to finish Gladiator off, if he doesn't outright kill him with the first blast. Gladiator would have a hard time with the least of Galactus' Heralds, and you believe that he would give Morg a tough time when Morg was capable of killing them all at once?
This is a good time for you to just leave it alone, and admit that Gladiator is way over his head here. There is another thing that really has.... No, that really needs to sink in to you brain here. Forum Rules. You know the one that states both characters have a general knowledge of their opponent? Well If you combine that knowledge with Morg's ability you sense danger on a universal scale, you will begin to realize why Gladiator would never get within striking distance of him to hit him.
Originally posted by Stoic
I said Cosmic Awareness, don't try to twist my words, and Thanos used it to deny the Surfer from removing the Gauntlet from his hand. It was right there on panel Carver. What Thanos did was react to a being moving at greater than light speed due to his Cosmic Awareness. You tried to deny that thanos could react this fast when you told me to prove that the Fallen One was moving at light speed when Thanos clocked him. I could not, because it was not written on panel. However when he did this to the Surfer, it is without a doubt that he can, and has performed under this type speed. Now you want to strawman and toss in the red herrings to stay away from the topic at hand. You even try to play stupid, but it's not fooling anyone Carver.And SMH, at trying to place Morg with the Power Cosmic, and the Waters of Life in the Herald tier. He was a high Herald with just the Power Cosmic. This is a fact. Gladiator isn't even considered a high Herald, he's a mid Herald at best. The long sword isn't going to somehow bump him up to Morg's level. Nor will it stop a guy with Cosmic Awarness from realizing that the sword could hurt him. Nothing would stop Morg from getting Gladiator out of reach of the weapon, and flying in to finish Gladiator off, if he doesn't outright kill him with the first blast. Gladiator would have a hard time with the least of Galactus' Heralds, and you believe that he would give Morg a tough time when Morg was capable of killing them all at once?
This is a good time for you to just leave it alone, and admit that Gladiator is way over his head here. There is another thing that really has.... No, that really needs to sink in to you brain here. Forum Rules. You know the one that states both characters have a general knowledge of their opponent? Well If you combine that knowledge with Morg's ability you sense danger on a universal scale, you will begin to realize why Gladiator would never get within striking distance of him to hit him.
Sigh, sigh...
So you are back at this again, saying Thanos dodged Surfer attack under his own power? Oh my god. Lol...I am about to give up on you. Not trying to be mean Stoic but have you been drinking? Honest question. I post a scan where it is confirmed that Thanos was amped...to insane levels and you are still sitting here claiming that Thanos under his own power dodged Surfers attack. Thor had the power gem and made Thanos nose bleed with a hit, does that count for standard Thor as well? Thor with the gem took out Surfer and Drax with ease while in possession of the gem. Does that apply to our standard Thor as well. You are literally ignoring the fact Thanos had the gem during that showing and was using it to amp his already stats along with giving him other powers, the guy shrunk Hulk and Drax and sent them back in time, turned Thor to glass, turned Wolverine adamantium bones to rubber, one punch broke Captain America shield. Does this apply to our standard Thanos as well? You are the one saying that Thanos performed a speed ft under his own power, so why not give him everything he did during that comic? Let's not stop at a limitless powered Thanos dodging Surfer. I would love for you to battlezone this topic.
Can the Ebony Blade cut Morg? Yes or no? Is Gladiator faster than Morg? If you say no to this, please provide scans of Morg speed fts. If Gladiator is faster he should be able to land the first attack, The second, third, and 4th attack as well before Morg got off a swing or attack. With that said, if this is true and we know Gladiator does not mind killing....
1+1=2
Also...Gladiator is high Herald.
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you asking if Glactus gives his Heralds Cosmic Awareness? How in the world would they find planets in other universes, and make it back to him to let him know the deal? Are you thinking before you type?
I'm asking you if Morg has USED it...Especially during combat. If so, provide scans. I think Hulk can fly...even though he has not shown it in comics (except once). Could I go into a thread and say "bfr won't work on Hulk because he can fly"...people eyes would be wide open. We go by what has been shown on panel, not by what we 'think'.