Gradiator with the ebony blade Vs. Morg with WOL

Originally posted by Galan007
As was recently revealed, Thanos always knew exactly when Surfer would attempt to snag the IG from him, and he always knew that Surfer would fail in this attempt:
http://i.imgur.com/pe3R6Gd.jpg
So the 'near miss' we saw in the original arc(posted by Mr M) that appeared to 'surprise' Thanos has been retconned in a sense. Thanos knew absolutely everything that was going to happen to him the instant he gained the gauntlet(including the precise moment when he would lose possession of it.)

It's also worth noting that a mere avatar of Thanos /w/ IG, of whom possessed just a fraction of real IG's power, was able to gesturely own Mephisto in his own realm. 👆

Is this evidence even admissible Galan? The retcon is coming at a time, when sales are needed, and to promote a new Thanos adventure. If this debate took place 3 months ago, the retcon would not even exist. It also had nothing to do with what was written over a decade ago. You see what I'm saying?

Originally posted by Stoic
It says that he turned them off except for the Power gem. This was the only Gem in operation at the time of the battle until the Surfer missed his mark Abhi. I agree it made no sense at all.

Originally posted by Galan007
As was recently revealed, Thanos always knew exactly when Surfer would attempt to snag the IG from him, and he always knew that Surfer would fail in this attempt:
http://i.imgur.com/pe3R6Gd.jpg
So the 'near miss' we saw in the original arc(posted by Mr M) that appeared to 'surprise' Thanos has been retconned in a sense. Thanos knew absolutely everything that was going to happen to him the instant he gained the gauntlet(including the precise moment when he would lose possession of it.)

It's also worth noting that a mere avatar of Thanos /w/ IG, of whom possessed just a fraction of real IG's power, was able to gesturely own Mephisto in his own realm. 👆

Originally posted by Stoic
Is this evidence even admissible Galan? The retcon is coming at a time, when sales are needed, and to promote a new Thanos adventure. If this debate took place 3 months ago, the retcon would not even exist. It also had nothing to do with what was written over a decade ago. You see what I'm saying?

Again: per the most recent evidence, Thanos knew absolutely everything that was going to happen to him in that arc. He knew exactly how it was going to happen, and he knew exactly when it was going to happen. Those are now the canon facts of the IG saga. 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, so Starlin himself retconned it? There goes CBR FTL Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos can't open time portals and he did that against Drax and Firelord in that fight. He also turned Nova into pebbles.

It seems he was definitely using the other gems.

During that fight, didn't it outright say that Thanos limited his perception (Which isn't even true based on the current retcon)?

Looked pretty obvious that he used all the Gems in that fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend

IMO, his speed was amped but the scene makes no sense at all. If surfer was moving so fast, how was there a reflection in Thanos' eyes? And the narration states that Surfer actually missed his mark.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Thanos was definitely using all the gems unless you think he can

open time portals, warp reality and shit like that. also turned Nova into pebbles.

Originally posted by zopzop

He also turned Thor into crystal and turned Wolverine's bones and claws into some sort of rubbery substance.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like it or not, that comic is 100% canon and part of official Marvel continuity. Moreover, it was written by Jim Starlin himself--the same guy who wrote the original IG saga. So yeah...

Imo, (original story) Thanos was only using the Power Gem to amp his inherent abilities, or perhaps to even develop abilities.

Anyhow, he specifically only cuts of "Sensory Input" from 5 Gems minus the PG.

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16448912_TPG.jpg]

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Definitions of: Sensory Input:

1) Transmitting impulses from sense organs to nerve centers; afferent.

2) Refers to peripheral nerves that transmit information from the senses to the brain.

3) Pertaining to a part or all of the body's sensory nerve network.

4) Pertaining to sensation or to the response of the senses (hearing, sight, touch, etc.)
to incoming stimuli.

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If, he was able to use the Power gem, like the others without "sensory input" ... why did he only cut off the 5 & not the PG as well?

Well, as he stated, to Not know the heroes' next move.

(to me, this is the future in different aspects)

Reality = you control the next move
Time = you see the next move
Space = you're at the next move
Mind = you read the next move
Soul = you sense the next move

Only the Power Gem truly has no bearing here.

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This understanding in conjunction with the definition of "sensory input" tells me Thanos was only using the Power Gem alone.

According to the definition, Thanos had cut off his ability to transfer/stimulate any information to and fro from the 5 Gems.

ie. It's as though they weren't there. So I can't see how he was applying them.

IMO! ... different opinions/perspectives can be posted peacefully. 🙂

And Thanos is a time manipulator too?

You learn new things everyday on KMC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's matter manipulation, no big deal for Thanos, especially when this inherent ability of his is amped to infinity.

This bio excerpt might help with the confusion:
http://i.imgur.com/QCuzhd3.jpg
It would seem that all Thanos did was render himself unable to predict his enemies' actions--the other powers gleaned from the gems were evidently still intact. However, it is ultimately a moot point, as Starlin has since retconned that little plot-point away. Per current continuity, Thanos was always aware of everything that was going to happen to him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm sure Stoic accepts the facts, but I believe we're trying to get at the original meaning of the scene.

Originally posted by zopzop
This brings up another interesting point. Does Thanos have any matter manip feats?

^ Incorrect.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Thanos is a time manipulator too?

You learn new things everyday on KMC.

We do learn new things on kmc. Unfortunately not all of is true, like this.

It's no surprise Thanos/PG wielding infinite energy could open a inter-dimensional rift to another time.

Originally posted by zopzop

This brings up another interesting point. Does Thanos have any matter manip feats?

... and yes, there are feats, although it's not Thanos' forte. (so it's a seldom occurrence)

Originally posted by Galan007
This bio excerpt might help with the confusion:

All Thanos did was render himself unable to predict his enemies' actions. The others powers gleaned from the gems were evidently still intact. However, it's ultimately a moot point anyway--Starlin retconned that little plot-point away. Per current continuity, Thanos was always aware of everything that was going to happen to him.

He specifically asked if the scan I posted was 'admissible', so...

👆 This is exactly what I said.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^ Incorrect.

Didn't know you needed to manipulate time to open a time portal. (I guess Thor can manipulate time too)

We do learn new things on kmc. Unfortunately not all of is true, like this.

It's no surprise Thanos/PG wielding infinite energy could open a inter-dimensional rift to another time.

He's a minor matter manipulator, but that's irrelevant cause the PG boosts any/all abilities you already have.

... and yes, there are feats, although it's not Thanos' forte.

That's some.........strange reasoning to say in the least and at best reaching. And inter-dimensional portals don't lead to another time period.

👆

Originally posted by abhilegend

Tell me more about these matter manipulating feats Thanos has under starlin.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Before Thor lost his time manipulating power due to Immortus, he sure as heck could manipulate time. Since then, he can't open time portals.

I'd also like to know where/when did Thor ever manipulate the Concept of Time? (not silly portals)

Originally posted by abhilegend

And inter-dimensional portals don't lead to another time period.

What do you think another time period is? ... Another dimension!

Although, I'll have scans if my cosmic word isn't enuff.

Just post the scans. No need to crop.

Thor has actually reversed time in Thor 178 and several other feats like that in older JIM comics. No silly portals.

And yo't shouldn't post cropped scans. But I'll eagerly await your scan bombs which wouldn't prove anything at all. Knock yourself out though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But I'll eagerly await your scan bombs which wouldn't prove anything at all. Knock yourself out though.

I'm more interested in the Thanos matter manip feats. I'm a Thanos fan and can't recall a time he's used that ability (would help in future VS threads too).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor has actually reversed time in Thor 178 and several other feats like that in older JIM comics. No silly portals.

http://i.imgur.com/d4ZvV5Y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QL3Wt5r.jpg

Well now that we are way off topic, let's get back to the point where Gladiator is the one that is fighting an uphill battle against a foe that far outstrips him in power, strength, and just about everything else that matters except for hyper fighting, which he rarely uses in battles.

What are Morg's chances of winning this on a 1-100% chart?

And

What are Gladiator's chances of winning this on a 1-100% chart?

Originally posted by carver9
👆 This is exactly what I said.

What are to saying that this is what you were saying? Nothing is concrete enough for it to be be etched in stone. Most people agree that the scenes made no sense based on the context written in the book in terms of contiguous thought.